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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Reality Safari: Gurdjieff
« Last post by Cramulus on February 15, 2018, 03:41:35 pm »
In our group, we've been talking about the Black Iron Prison. (They don't use the "black iron" part, but it's defintiely the same idea.)

Our automatism takes over our lives. We need habits and schemas and heuristics, but we get stuck in them like machines.

Through dilligent and continual self-observation, we can develop an internal "watcher" who can notice when we have slipped into our mechanical routines.

When you notice yourself acting mechanically, that in itself is a type of freedom (or a sign post pointing towards it). When you observe the Robot, the part of you making the observation is not the Robot. If only we could remember that part of ourselves all the time...

There are practical things you can do, physically, which help you develop this watcher. The body and mind and emotions are tightly linked. Your postures and habits always seem to lead you back to your normal automatic way of being. You might try to be different from how you are today, but then you fall into a habit (smoking a cigarette, answering the phone, whatever) and suddenly the Robot is driving again. So maybe there are postures and movements which the robot cannot do. If we experiment with them, perhaps we can find a new way of thinking, feeling, being.

I'm reading this James Moore biography of Gurdjieff. He keeps invoking this image of the Yazidi children who Gurdjieff played with when he was growing up. The Yazidi are thought of as devil worshippers. If you draw a circle of salt around a Yazidi, they won't be able to get out of it.

Gurdjieff's role as a teacher was to disturb the circle of salt that people draw around themselves.

For example, the Hartmanns came from an upper class background, approached Gurdjieff at the beginning of the Bolshevik Revolution. The Gurdjieff school was about to embark on a terrible and dangerous journey through the wilderness, ultimately passing through the front lines of the war five times before they found respite. A weak person would not survive. The Hartmanns wanted to join G, but he knew their status and propriety would be an enormous burden. So he began breaking them out of this circle of salt.

Gurdjieff, the sly man, lured the Hartmanns in by presenting himself as a wealthy prince, someone like them - but when they made the journey to meet him, he adopted the mannerisms of a pauper, made them stay in a hovel, and eat cheap food. (this, btw, was also an act)

When they were about to leave, Gurdjieff told Olga de Hartmann - "You won't be able to come with us. For money, we'll be getting jobs as rock breakers on the road. It's enormously hard work. At the end of the day, the women have to wash the men's feet, and Zaharoff's feet will be very smelly, so you won't be able to do it."

This puts Olga in the position of insisting that she can do it, this won't be an issue --  because this assertion comes from her, it is stronger and worth more than if somebody else told her she could do it. Gurdjieff had to shock her, tease out her strength, make her choose for herself to shed her status and ego. And then, she was ready to become.

that sly man
Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Free Russian Orphans with Every Purchase
« Last post by Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2018, 03:33:12 pm »
Glad you're ok Joe
Apple Talk / Re: Welcome Back to Discordia
« Last post by Cramulus on February 15, 2018, 03:12:30 pm »
Why is Weeping Gorilla so unnecessarily aggressive in your mastabatory comics?

cause Elvis only comes to the forum when he's drunk and judgmental

not really sure what he gets out of it, but clearly it makes him feel good to tell a bunch of people they suck

Bring and Brag / Re: THE PROCESS
« Last post by Cramulus on February 15, 2018, 02:24:22 pm »
Bring and Brag / Re: The Medium is the Message!
« Last post by MMIX on February 15, 2018, 01:44:52 pm »

This is probably the most wonderful thing I have ever seen
Bring and Brag / BASICALLY
« Last post by Bobby Campbell on February 15, 2018, 01:26:50 pm »
Apple Talk / Re: Nazi Poetry
« Last post by Emo Howard on February 15, 2018, 09:18:07 am »
Neckbeards with torches
"Fine people", he says. Bullshit.
Kill them with hammers.
Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Free Russian Orphans with Every Purchase
« Last post by Faust on February 15, 2018, 08:36:27 am »
The conspiracy has won when they can steal our sense of humor, they have already put their one man band into office, if we have brittle spirits we've already lost.
Apple Talk / Re: Welcome Back to Discordia
« Last post by Faust on February 15, 2018, 08:28:49 am »

*stomp stomp stomp, clatter clatter clatter, sound of vase braking, twomp twomp twomp, pant pant pant*

I'm here.  What did I miss?
Apple Talk / Re: Nazi Poetry
« Last post by Suu on February 15, 2018, 04:16:32 am »
There was a little Nazi named Dick
Who had a little frog as his schtick
He was talking to the press
and wound up a hot mess
If I was ANTIFA, him I would pick!
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