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totally nonplussed by the "terrible danger" posed by Roko's Basilisk

How well do you understand timeless decision theory?

It's a rather critical aspect of why Roko's Basilisk is considered such a dangerous line of thought.  Without that knowledge, it would seem little more than Pascal's Wager.

I hadn't come across TDT or the Basilik prior to this so I've been googling about.

Question - Should I be more critical than I currently am of LW/associated things? 
Reasons for question -
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk
(Pretty critical of LW/ EY throughout for what appears to be good reason)
http://lesswrong.com/lw/ds4/article_about_lw_faith_hope_and_singularity/
Last comment in particular(seems substantiated):
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The article is obviously embarrassing to E.Y. If he didn't want to see this essay's Google rating improve, it wasn't about some general principle regarding "trolling." That's a pretty pathetic attempt at an excuse. It was something about this article. But what? Everyone thinks it's the "moral" aspect. That may be part of his worry: if so, it suggests that the SIAI/Less Wrong complex has a structure of levels--like say, Scientology--where the behavior of the more "conscious" is hidden from less-conscious followers.

But let me point out a specific revelation, not so prominent in the article but really more important for assessing SIAI and LW.

The messianic Mr. Yudkowsky also helped attract funding from his friend Peter Thiel, an early Facebook investor and noted libertarian billionaire whom Forbes pegs as the 303rd richest person in America. The Thiel Foundation, Mr. Thiel’s philanthropic group, has donated at least $1.1 million to SIAI, more than four times its next largest donor. (The nonprofit’s Form 990 from 2010 shows assets of $462,470.)

How do more leftwing members of the SIAI establishment feel about building an organization funded by (to realists, read "controlled by") an ultrarightwing billionaire? (It raises questions like is the "politics is mindkiller" trope in place to avoid alienating Mr. Thiel, who would be unimpressed by the anti-libertarianism of a considerable minority on LW.)

E.Y. has built a mystique about himself. Here's this self-schooled prodigy who has somehow managed to build a massive rationalist community and to preside over a half-million dollar nonprofit, living the good life of working only 4 hours per day (per LukeProg) and in that time, performing only tasks he likes to do, while being paid handsomely? It's a success story that's impressive. Even if you don't think E.Y. is a great philosopher, you have to admire him (at least the way Arnold Schwartzeneger once said he admired Hitler). It does the Yudkowsky myth no service to learn that he had the help of a billionaire, who almost singlehandedly funded his operations. If I've puzzled for years about the secret of E.Y. success, now I know it. He has a billionaire friend.

Caveat Unlike many others here, I don't like that there are billionaires. They've made a mockery of American politics, and their whimsical "charitable" support to intellectual factions will make a mockery of American intellectual life.

That funding angle alone is enough to make me seriously question their integrity. I hadn't seen/heard anything about this previously so if it's  an open secret that's fine. I would have just expected them to be somewhat more open about where the cash is coming from if this is the case.

It also makes the HMPOR pleas for a holiday home for a month look really, really bad.
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That's better. Board is starting to make sense again.
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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: A new currency.
« Last post by hirley0 on Today at 10:02:30 am »
Yeah : it only took about 30,000 mS's for the prior post
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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Duty calls.
« Last post by hirley0 on Today at 09:58:56 am »
Have fun punching sharks and riding bears!

?/?

YOU LIVE!

REALLY?
I WOULDN'T GO THAT FAR?
removal of A scab to let blood out
LETS?  the agent out also | carried in the Flow
So? Now do you see?
OR must i V A again
Truly i dislike the BUS ride up pill hill
ALL those sick people ? &ME | no way Jose'
And after getting off the thing it only gets worse
& I won't even mention the trip down | { never mind what is nexT
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So S. Shirley i practice VAdo
What it details is the old medical method of Bleeding
A method that when i was in high school
i had my reservations about | yeah & VAdo too.
Anyway bleeding
Requires the removal of A scab to let the blood out
THE "removal of A scab to let some blood out"
Requires V, very tricky do. Do you see? Sometimes finger nails work best
other time the don't | So other means R Required





Tuesday is biopsy and pap day.

Getting all my pants-shitting done now, out of courtesy to the doctor.

I mean, I'm going to get cancer at some point. It's in both sides of my family in really fun ways, right there with insanity, exploding hearts, and alcoholism. Probably something to do with well-water and strip-mining/fracking. >.>

Then again, I'm sure everything is fine. It's just the bad break-up (and ex that won't leave me alone) and working every god damn day and packing up my shit and arranging a move that's making this seem awful, right?

That's totally it.

See the next posi'
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By now it is Monday
The WiFi is connecting : My Link into Spain is not
Typing in the line above
did cause the WiFi connection to abort
Requiring a reconnection period.
So Shirley things are slow & interrupted by design | i'poise
Anyway the main event
BioLogicALL War Fair is ongoing | see next post ?/?
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totally nonplussed by the "terrible danger" posed by Roko's Basilisk

How well do you understand timeless decision theory?

It's a rather critical aspect of why Roko's Basilisk is considered such a dangerous line of thought.  Without that knowledge, it would seem little more than Pascal's Wager.

Without getting mired by details, the "timelessness" of TDT is here understood as the inevitability of a singularity.  Isomorphically, the existence of god, on the other, left-hand side, is the condition on the possibility of being able to choose in the first place.  Either way, you are subject to the slave-thought of linear causality.  I don't care what box you choose, just don't cut yourself with that blade :lulz:
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totally nonplussed by the "terrible danger" posed by Roko's Basilisk

How well do you understand timeless decision theory?

It's a rather critical aspect of why Roko's Basilisk is considered such a dangerous line of thought.  Without that knowledge, it would seem little more than Pascal's Wager.
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BLOODIN AIN'T EASY BUT IT SURE IS FUN
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THE QUESTION PLAGUING THE GREATEST MINDS OF THE AGE: CAN CAINAD EAT MORE SMORES THAN HIS COMPETITOR CAN ORANGES?

fuck no
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