Its all kicking off in downtown Cairo...

[Adios]

I don't expect it to de-escalate. It was a Hail Mary pass with 1 second left on the clock.

[Phox]

I don't expect it to de-escalate. It was a Hail Mary pass with 1 second left on the clock.

Good point. Wonder what Cain will have to say. It would seem like Mubarak made a lot of statements that didn't actually say anything. And it would appear the protesters were not convinced by his words, either.

[Adios]

Hey Roger, their revolution is being televised! 

[Adios]

I don't expect it to de-escalate. It was a Hail Mary pass with 1 second left on the clock.

Good point. Wonder what Cain will have to say. It would seem like Mubarak made a lot of statements that didn't actually say anything. And it would appear the protesters were not convinced by his words, either.

Where did Cain go?

[Phox]

I don't expect it to de-escalate. It was a Hail Mary pass with 1 second left on the clock.

Good point. Wonder what Cain will have to say. It would seem like Mubarak made a lot of statements that didn't actually say anything. And it would appear the protesters were not convinced by his words, either.

Where did Cain go?

Bed maybe? It's like 11for him now, isn't it?

[Cain]

UPDATE 35, 4:30 p.m. EST: Al Jazeera reports that top regime and NDP party officials are leaving Egypt on private jets. No word on Mubarak. Also, the Speaker of the Egyptian parliament is supposed to release a statement soon. It remains to be seen whether that will actually happen. It's now nearly midnight in Egypt.

If you want to go with Mother Jones. Dammit it's hard to find reliable sources right now.

Al-Jazeera, in my experience, are almost always reliable, except when reporting on Qatar, where they are based and funded through.  They're some of the last actual journalists on this goddamn planet and, it probably wont surprise you too much to find out, mostly made up of old BBC Middle East reporters.

[Adios]

UPDATE 35, 4:30 p.m. EST: Al Jazeera reports that top regime and NDP party officials are leaving Egypt on private jets. No word on Mubarak. Also, the Speaker of the Egyptian parliament is supposed to release a statement soon. It remains to be seen whether that will actually happen. It's now nearly midnight in Egypt.

If you want to go with Mother Jones. Dammit it's hard to find reliable sources right now.

Al-Jazeera, in my experience, are almost always reliable, except when reporting on Qatar, where they are based and funded through.  They're some of the last actual journalists on this goddamn planet and, it probably wont surprise you too much to find out, mostly made up of old BBC Middle East reporters.

Were you able to watch the speech? If so, your reaction?

[Requia ☣]

At this point I'm more concerned with them being able to get reliable information themselves rather than any bias.

NPR is reporting that one of the Egyptian ISPs, which represents about 8% of the market there, didn't shut down.  They don't know why.

[Adios]

At this point I'm more concerned with them being able to get reliable information themselves rather than any bias.

NPR is reporting that one of the Egyptian ISPs, which represents about 8% of the market there, didn't shut down.  They don't know why.

aljezeer english, live stream.

[Cain]

I don't expect it to de-escalate. It was a Hail Mary pass with 1 second left on the clock.

Good point. Wonder what Cain will have to say. It would seem like Mubarak made a lot of statements that didn't actually say anything. And it would appear the protesters were not convinced by his words, either.

Where did Cain go?

Bed maybe? It's like 11for him now, isn't it?

Coffee, actually.  I'm not feeling well today, so I slept earlier.

As for Mubarak's statements...the Egyptian people are not stupid.  Corruption has flourished because he has allowed it to.  While the food prices, which seem to be a primary cause of the revolt (funny how often that turns out to be the case, historically) are not his problem, if his regime were more along the lines of, say, some of the SE Asian authoritarian governments, who seem to be able to combine authoritarianism with a ruthless attitude to corruption and officials throwing their weight around in unsactioned manners, then he may have had a more understanding population and consequently not so much of a problem on his hands.

David Cameron, incidentally, seems to have been more outspoken than the American government on the need for reform and less supportive of Mubarak's government generally...its things like this that make it hard to consider the coalition government a complete failure (especially when Blair pretty much called for the Army to start firing on crowds in whatever rag was printing his views today).

[Cain]

At this point I'm more concerned with them being able to get reliable information themselves rather than any bias.

NPR is reporting that one of the Egyptian ISPs, which represents about 8% of the market there, didn't shut down.  They don't know why.

That is the thing.  However their journalists themselves seem well trained enough to hedge their bets according to previous experience and make clear when they are speculating - it is quite refreshing, in fact.

I've also read that the blocks on the internet can be gotten around by not using domain names, but the IP addresses the sites correspond to instead.  I assume the more technical people on the site are familiar with this technique, I have heard of it before but do not know the name for it.

[Adios]

The protests are continuing and if anything even more people are on the streets.

[Requia ☣]

Sounds like they shut down the DNS servers.

For those not aware, DNS servers take a website name and give your computer the IP address, which is what you actually need.

That would do it for the most part, but its a very temporary solution.  Its not terribly difficult to change to a public DNS server, so once word gets around people will start doing that.  A few days (maybe hours) later you'll probably see a program going around that will do it for you.

[Cain]

Yeah, that's the one.

People are already spreading workarounds on the web, it will only be so long before some Egyptian geek gets hold of most of the major site's IP addresses and starts spreading them to everyone he knows.

Mubarak supporters will knock that kids teeth out, but he'll be a damn hero regardless.

[Adios]

Yeah, that's the one.

People are already spreading workarounds on the web, it will only be so long before some Egyptian geek gets hold of most of the major site's IP addresses and starts spreading them to everyone he knows.

Mubarak supporters will knock that kids teeth out, but he'll be a damn hero regardless.

I sense he is running a bit low on supporters right now.