Prison Bans Books and Disco Pickle Learns a Lesson

[Disco Pickle]

SO HOW BOUT THEM PRISONS.

I HEAR THEYRE BANNING BOOKS.

STRANGE TIMES WE LIVE IN.

yeah about that derail on your thread snatch.  sorry about that.

But really, what do you expect from the state that keeps electing Lindsey Graham?

[BabylonHoruv]

Your politicizing criminal law a bit there.  I was always under the impression that law was reason free of emotion.

My Lawyer friend (who has written briefs presented before the supreme court) would strongly disagree with you there.

[Phox]

Wait a minute! I'm not done being all self-righteousy and pissed off! Damn you Pickles! Why do you have to be so reasonable?!  

I may be subconsciously doing it only to get under your skin Phoxy.  

I do often take the devil's advocate side of a discussion in order to draw out ideas I might not have heard, but it's never with the intention of pissing people off.  I have found it often does, but I only do it with people who I know will bring real ideas to the discussion.  Still manages to piss of my buddies when I do it over beers and a table.  

It's not that I don't even believe my own bullshit, I just learn more when I take an unpopular position.  Could be the debate classes I took in school that influences me to do it.

I've learned quite a bit ITT about what you guys think about legal systems.  I appreciate the input and have a lot to think on.  I was hoping for more ideas on a better way, but I'm beginning to realize that's not what discordia is about.  

I didn't really intend for anyone to be frothing at the mouth to correct the pickle with the wrong values, it just sort of snowballed into that.

[East Coast Hustle]

Wait a minute! I'm not done being all self-righteousy and pissed off! Damn you Pickles! Why do you have to be so reasonable?!  

I may be subconsciously doing it only to get under your skin Phoxy.  

I do often take the devil's advocate side of a discussion in order to draw out ideas I might not have heard, but it's never with the intention of pissing people off.  I have found it often does, but I only do it with people who I know will bring real ideas to the discussion.  Still manages to piss of my buddies when I do it over beers and a table.  

It's not that I don't even believe my own bullshit, I just learn more when I take an unpopular position.  Could be the debate classes I took in school that influences me to do it.

I've learned quite a bit ITT about what you guys think about legal systems.  I appreciate the input and have a lot to think on.  I was hoping for more ideas on a better way, but I'm beginning to realize that's not what discordia is about.  

I didn't really intend for anyone to be frothing at the mouth to correct the pickle with the wrong values, it just sort of snowballed into that.

We start out frothing at the mouth, and progress from there as necessary. Don't take it personally.

[Cain]

WHERE ARE THE FORUMS? I FIND NO FORUMS.

The blog, aptly named "Hit and Run" for the favoured debate technique of its main posters, is where the action is.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

well seeing as how I have the wrong values, It'd be dishonest to not respectfully admit that every post of mine in this thread is potentially wrong.

But hell, if I wanted to spend time on a forum where everyone's values were similar to my own I'd be over at the circle jerk that is Reason.com

I like it here better.  Better potential for learning new things.

Reason.com, you say?  I just sucked my pance up my arse in anticipation.

TGRR,
Hitting the laptop tonight.

well, they don't really have a forum like this place, so the potential for teh funnay is lower.  You'd probably do better here:

http://www.dancarlin.com/phpbb3/ though not distinctly libertarian

also this place: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewforum.php?f=20

has a pretty interesting if simple game where you make your own nation.  The forums are full of all sorts.

Huh. Wonder if I still have my account at nationstates. Forgot all about that place.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

what we have now, while flawed, still has checks and balances that help to prevent this sort of thing and is also fluid and able to be changed over time when mistakes are identified.

you're still operating under the false premise that the system, as it currenty exists, is something other than EXACTLY what it was intended to be. Those "checks and balances" are a lie, and nobody who has any degree of control over how the system is shaped has any interest in making changes that you or I would regard as improvements. In fact, they have a heavily vested interest in NOT making any of those sorts of changes.

I'm willing to accept that change in perspective, as fucking bleak as it is.  

I ordinarily HATE this phrase, but...


It is what it is.

In my field, you learn to love that phrase.

[East Coast Hustle]

My field expects that 100% of everything you do can be tweaked or improved upon.

Of course, I frequently end up using a very different definition of "improvement" than most people expect.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

My field expects that 100% of everything you do can be tweaked or improved upon.

Of course, I frequently end up using a very different definition of "improvement" than most people expect.

In my field, it goes like this:

Scheduler:  "How long to fix the atomizer gearbox?"

Me:  "Parts will be in next Wednesday, so call it Friday."

Scheduler:  "But we need it in two days."

Me:  "It is what it is.  Go bitch at the warehouse guy, who didn't feel like ordering the parts until 2 weeks after we put the req in for them."

[Telarus]

 


Hey, this is relevant to DP's "illumination":

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=%2Fc%2Fa%2F2011%2F05%2F13%2FMNSB1JFE3K.DTL

Cop ran Pleasant Hill brothel, co-defendant says
(05-12) 17:31 PDT PLEASANT HILL -- A Concord private investigator at the center of a law enforcement scandal admits he helped run a house of prostitution in Pleasant Hill, but says the former commander of a Contra Costa County anti-drug task force was the architect of the operation and shut down competing brothels, the investigator's attorney said Thursday.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/12/BASB1JFE3K.DTL#ixzz1MOSrg8Xx

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Hey, this is relevant to DP's "illumination":

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=%2Fc%2Fa%2F2011%2F05%2F13%2FMNSB1JFE3K.DTL

Cop ran Pleasant Hill brothel, co-defendant says
(05-12) 17:31 PDT PLEASANT HILL -- A Concord private investigator at the center of a law enforcement scandal admits he helped run a house of prostitution in Pleasant Hill, but says the former commander of a Contra Costa County anti-drug task force was the architect of the operation and shut down competing brothels, the investigator's attorney said Thursday.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/12/BASB1JFE3K.DTL#ixzz1MOSrg8Xx

LMAO. That one just got shared on faceook. 

[East Coast Hustle]

No surprises there. Concord (and most of Contra Costa County) is like a real-life American version of Mos Eisley.

[Cain]

Bump.

The UK is carrying out a similar policy to this.  They are extremely restricting deliveries to prisons (to one in every six weeks) and specifically banning books (as well as targeting clothing).

Why?

Well, our Minister in charge of prisons, Chris Grayling, isn't entirely clear on whether it's meant to be a punitive measure or to prevent drugs.  Either way, it's pretty ridiculous.

[Faust]

Prevent drugs?

How does that work, are prisoners grinding up books and snorting them, Burroughs Cities of the red night will get you fucked proper but the latest JK Rowling isn't anywhere near as potent?

Unless it's the physical book size for hollowing out and smuggling purposes. in which case fantasy authors everywhere should stage a protest.

[Cain]

It works due to Chris Grayling being an entirely out of touch toff who has no idea how things get done in reality.

Most drugs are smuggled into prison by prison guards.  Or thrown over the walls.  When they are actually literally smuggled in, it's normally done inside mobile phones.