And the greatest gift I could receive from people that, to my knowledge, may not even actually exist, would be for you to go check out my writing on www.cautionmag.com and praise/criticize/insult it.
I did. Before this shameless plug.
My lasting impression was that I wasn't really sure what, if anything, it was all about. Coherence may help. Or not. My motivation was not driven by the various incentives to keep reading.
Happy Birthday.
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So.. you endorse drunk driving?
Super cool.
Or NOT!
questionable morals aside, i quite liked what i read. to you do old skool publishing.. with paper an what-not? cause paper is cooler than the internets...
Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on July 31, 2009, 05:14:13 PM
questionable morals aside, i quite liked what i read. to you do old skool publishing.. with paper an what-not? cause paper is cooler than the internets...
feels more subversive... :lulz:
go shawty
It's your birthday
We gon' party like it's yo birthday
We gon' sip Bacardi like it's your birthday
And you know we don't give a fuck
It's not your birthday!
Quote from: Cain on July 31, 2009, 07:57:29 PM
go shawty
It's your birthday
We gon' party like it's yo birthday
We gon' sip Bacardi like it's your birthday
And you know we don't give a fuck
It's not your birthday!
that track v Closer by NIN.. I loves that mash up...
I can relate to your blog about smoking. I told myself to quit smoking cigarettes and I haven't bought a pack in almost a week, but I've been lying to myself. Next thing I know I'm scrounging cigarette butts out of public ashtrays. Much better than buying cigarettes. I can hardly even opinionate crack addicts when I do shit like that. I also still have an internet addiction that I've started up again, wasting away my precious time in idle chat. Slack is not always a virtue. [hypocrit]Freaking interweb addicts.[/hypocrit] Hapy birfday.
Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on July 31, 2009, 05:14:13 PM
questionable morals aside, i quite liked what i read. to you do old skool publishing.. with paper an what-not? cause paper is cooler than the internets...
We used to do it on paper but the cost was too much for us (I am very poor). Keep in mind, too, that we just started this, like, a week ago, so we have much to improve.
And to Squidy, while I question whether or not you are legitimately offended by the lack of "morals" depicted in that picture, I have to say: I can only take responsibility for my contributions (Dimo1138) on that page, not for the contributions of others.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 01, 2009, 04:02:54 PM
And to Squidy, while I question whether or not you are legitimately offended by the lack of "morals" depicted in that picture, I have to say: I can only take responsibility for my contributions (Dimo1138) on that page, not for the contributions of others.
Fair enough. I think it may be also fair to say that you might find yourself judged by who you choose to associate with. How many are in your one-man cult? :-)
One, so far. There are a few other guys hanging around for the ice-cream, but I'm not sure whether or not they're fully aware of the implications of being associated with the cult members. Check these out in particular, in no particular order: http://cautionmag.com/?p=158 and http://cautionmag.com/?p=151
Quote from: Pixie O'Fubar on July 31, 2009, 08:09:15 PM
that track v Closer by NIN.. I loves that mash up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6u8NTRjbsc ?
Quote from: Squid on July 31, 2009, 05:12:18 PM
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So.. you endorse drunk driving?
Super cool.
Or NOT!
And now that I think of it, it says
buzzed driving and does not specifically refer to alcohol. It could be a natural buzz he was talking about. Thanks for reading!
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 01, 2009, 07:22:24 PM
Quote from: Squid on July 31, 2009, 05:12:18 PM
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So.. you endorse drunk driving?
Super cool.
Or NOT!
And now that I think of it, it says buzzed driving and does not specifically refer to alcohol. It could be a natural buzz he was talking about. Thanks for reading!
:kojak:
Is that you Gulik?
no, its a smurf. (http://www.costumzee.com/view/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/papa_smurf.jpg)
Quote from: Pixie O'Fubar on August 01, 2009, 08:05:00 PM
no, its a smurf. (http://www.costumzee.com/view/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/papa_smurf.jpg)
Whew...Thanks, I feel a lot better now.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
What the hell is happening to this forum? :x
I don't understand this question.
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on August 01, 2009, 11:35:40 PM
I don't understand this question.
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Quote from: Pixie O'Fubar on July 31, 2009, 08:09:15 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 31, 2009, 07:57:29 PM
go shawty
It's your birthday
We gon' party like it's yo birthday
We gon' sip Bacardi like it's your birthday
And you know we don't give a fuck
It's not your birthday!
that track v Closer by NIN.. I loves that mash up...
The 50 Cent/Abba mashup is superior.
Quote from: Epimetheus on August 02, 2009, 12:28:47 AM
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on August 01, 2009, 11:35:40 PM
I don't understand this question.
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I don't understand this answer...
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 01, 2009, 07:22:24 PM
Quote from: Squid on July 31, 2009, 05:12:18 PM
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l160/zestone/1236694528_l.jpg)
So.. you endorse drunk driving?
Super cool.
Or NOT!
And now that I think of it, it says buzzed driving and does not specifically refer to alcohol. It could be a natural buzz he was talking about. Thanks for reading!
No, I didn't read it. I'm lazy.
Buzzed driving sure, natural "high on life" type of buzz, doubt it.
When you take into consideration the number of people, who were very close to me, that were fucking killed by people either driving drunk or driving while "coming down" off the night before, I can only say that my opinion of anyone endorsing either driving drunk or buzzed on anything is a fucking jackass and go fuck right the hell off.
If you have a problem with that then you can fuck off as well.
If we see eye to eye here, then nice to meet ya.
Quote from: Epimetheus on August 01, 2009, 11:23:58 PM
What the hell is happening to this forum? :x
It's currently engaged in an eternal, inescapable downward spiral of suck and fail from which it will never redeem itself, and which has nothing to do with the fact that sometimes all people feel like doing is bullshitting around for a while. And this is totally the first time this has ever happened.
Quote from: Squid on August 02, 2009, 01:35:13 AM
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 01, 2009, 07:22:24 PM
Quote from: Squid on July 31, 2009, 05:12:18 PM
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l160/zestone/1236694528_l.jpg)
So.. you endorse drunk driving?
Super cool.
Or NOT!
And now that I think of it, it says buzzed driving and does not specifically refer to alcohol. It could be a natural buzz he was talking about. Thanks for reading!
No, I didn't read it. I'm lazy.
Buzzed driving sure, natural "high on life" type of buzz, doubt it.
When you take into consideration the number of people, who were very close to me, that were fucking killed by people either driving drunk or driving while "coming down" off the night before, I can only say that my opinion of anyone endorsing either driving drunk or buzzed on anything is a fucking jackass and go fuck right the hell off.
If you have a problem with that then you can fuck off as well.
If we see eye to eye here, then nice to meet ya.
I told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site, so if you want to go on a tirade find the guy who posted that and get emotional with
him. Welcome to the internet, things may get offensive. Now that that's done, it is also nice to meet you.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 02, 2009, 05:04:00 PM
I told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site, so if you want to go on a tirade find the guy who posted that and get emotional with him. Welcome to the internet, things may get offensive. Now that that's done, it is also nice to meet you.
And if a contributor advocates for a change in law with regards abolishing the age of consent while making it clear that they don't respect that law in their personal life?
You can play the "free speech" and "internet" cards if you wish, but if you don't make your personal stand clear than people will assume the worst from whom you choose to associate with.
You're also not going to allow something to be published which is going to get you in trouble with National Security services, because shits'n'giggles isn't worth it, and I can repost something from wikileaks if you want to test that theory.
You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 02, 2009, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 02, 2009, 05:04:00 PM
I told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site, so if you want to go on a tirade find the guy who posted that and get emotional with him. Welcome to the internet, things may get offensive. Now that that's done, it is also nice to meet you.
And if a contributor advocates for a change in law with regards abolishing the age of consent while making it clear that they don't respect that law in their personal life?
You can play the "free speech" and "internet" cards if you wish, but if you don't make your personal stand clear than people will assume the worst from whom you choose to associate with.
You're also not going to allow something to be published which is going to get you in trouble with National Security services, because shits'n'giggles isn't worth it, and I can repost something from wikileaks if you want to test that theory.
You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?
This.
Also: I don't give a shit if you do or don't censor anything, I disagree with what's posted, I'm not getting emotional, I'm giving my opinion.
Welcome to the internet.
I like the internet. its so cuddly.
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Quote from: Squid on August 02, 2009, 08:33:16 PM
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f45/Squidoid667/emotes/kittenwad.jpg)
just like an armful of docile photoshopped kittens.
i love photoshopped kittens
i love photoshopped kittens. and biting faces.
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Quote from: Epimetheus on August 01, 2009, 11:23:58 PM
What the hell is happening to this forum? :x
PN banned all of us and we're bored. :cry:
Quote from: Payne on August 02, 2009, 10:11:21 PM
i love photoshopped kittens. and biting faces.
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(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f45/Squidoid667/burrowing1.jpg)
:lulz:
I can fix that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp-is6S_b_g&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
.0002 cents :lulz:
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 02, 2009, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 02, 2009, 05:04:00 PM
I told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site, so if you want to go on a tirade find the guy who posted that and get emotional with him. Welcome to the internet, things may get offensive. Now that that's done, it is also nice to meet you.
And if a contributor advocates for a change in law with regards abolishing the age of consent while making it clear that they don't respect that law in their personal life?
You can play the "free speech" and "internet" cards if you wish, but if you don't make your personal stand clear than people will assume the worst from whom you choose to associate with.
You're also not going to allow something to be published which is going to get you in trouble with National Security services, because shits'n'giggles isn't worth it, and I can repost something from wikileaks if you want to test that theory.
You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?
I may not have a sane, sound mind at this point, (I had recently lost my marbles, and I came here to find them. Maybe I made a mistake) and my personal viewpoint is admittedly skewed at this point in my life (see: I lost my marbles) but free speech is not something I am willing to draw a line through (I suppose I could live without the internets). So, if you want a stand to be made, my first official stance here at PD.com is for the freedom of speech (I will not use the term "first amendment" because I don't beleive that I need a constitution to allow me natural rights), and the thing with freedom of speech, that I'm sure you can all understand, is that sometimes (most of the time) people will say things that you don't like, but it's your freedom (as you have exercised) to say something about what they're saying. There's a lot of people saying a lot of things here at PD.com (and the rest of the world) that I don't necessarily like for one reason or another, but if that's what they want to say, I
must let them, or else be a huge hypocrite (I would rather be a prick douche-bag than a hypocrite). Now that that's over with, I didn't paint that billboard or take that picture or post it in the internet, so I would much rather be spending my time defending something that
I, myself wrote. If anyone has anything to say about that, then please continue.
With great power come great responsibility.
It was a simple question (You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?) - if you don't want to answer it, you can just come out and say so.
All that I can gather from your response is that you believe in free speech, but that would lead me to conclude that you would allow the publication of child porn, or borderline child porn.
To be blunt, I don't believe you.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 05:02:29 PM
It was a simple question (You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?) - if you don't want to answer it, you can just come out and say so.
All that I can gather from your response is that you believe in free speech, but that would lead me to conclude that you would allow the publication of child porn, or borderline child porn.
To be blunt, I don't believe you.
I don't beleive me either. I told you, I've lost it... why get in-depth with a gibbering lunatic... I beleive nothing...
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 05:14:41 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 05:02:29 PM
It was a simple question (You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?) - if you don't want to answer it, you can just come out and say so.
All that I can gather from your response is that you believe in free speech, but that would lead me to conclude that you would allow the publication of child porn, or borderline child porn.
To be blunt, I don't believe you.
I don't beleive me either. I told you, I've lost it... why get in-depth with a gibbering lunatic... I beleive nothing...
The downside to not playing with a full deck is that you run out of cards all the quicker.
You've played the "free speech" and "internet" and "i'm soo crazy" cards, and they've all been out-played. I want to get in-depth with you, and I want to see what answer you have for the question. You came here to be challenged, didn't you?
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 05:40:22 PM
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 05:14:41 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 05:02:29 PM
It was a simple question (You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?) - if you don't want to answer it, you can just come out and say so.
All that I can gather from your response is that you believe in free speech, but that would lead me to conclude that you would allow the publication of child porn, or borderline child porn.
To be blunt, I don't believe you.
I don't beleive me either. I told you, I've lost it... why get in-depth with a gibbering lunatic... I beleive nothing...
The downside to not playing with a full deck is that you run out of cards all the quicker.
You've played the "free speech" and "internet" and "i'm soo crazy" cards, and they've all been out-played. I want to get in-depth with you, and I want to see what answer you have for the question. You came here to be challenged, didn't you?
you make it sound like you think its wrong for him to have discordant beliefs. Yeh, see how i used discordant on purpose? I could have said contradictory, but then I might have had to spend longer making my point.
x
:roll: Man, I hate it when people play the crazy card.
Seems like such a cop out.
Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on August 03, 2009, 05:54:52 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 05:40:22 PM
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 05:14:41 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 05:02:29 PM
It was a simple question (You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?) - if you don't want to answer it, you can just come out and say so.
All that I can gather from your response is that you believe in free speech, but that would lead me to conclude that you would allow the publication of child porn, or borderline child porn.
To be blunt, I don't believe you.
I don't beleive me either. I told you, I've lost it... why get in-depth with a gibbering lunatic... I beleive nothing...
The downside to not playing with a full deck is that you run out of cards all the quicker.
You've played the "free speech" and "internet" and "i'm soo crazy" cards, and they've all been out-played. I want to get in-depth with you, and I want to see what answer you have for the question. You came here to be challenged, didn't you?
you make it sound like you think its wrong for him to have discordant beliefs. Yeh, see how i used discordant on purpose? I could have said contradictory, but then I might have had to spend longer making my point.
x
I do think it's wrong when people say that they wouldn't censor anything out of principle, but can't answer a simple question upon which that principle is based. Kinda makes everyone else who supports that principle look stupid. Playing the "discordian" card in this manner is an infinite loop in of itself - fair enough - but it doesn't answer the question :fap:
QuoteI do think it's wrong when people say that they wouldn't censor anything out of principle, but can't answer a simple question upon which that principle is based. Kinda makes everyone else who supports that principle look stupid. Playing the "discordian" card in this manner is an infinite loop in of itself - fair enough - but it doesn't answer the question
no it doesn't, maybe its not even a question he
can answer. Personally I leave stuff like that down to instinct, and when i try to rationalise that I almost always come out with contradictory bollocks (bandname?). I'd probably say I support free speech, but I would probably draw the line before I started publishing child porn. But up until the moment aforementioned article was submitted for publication, I'd probably be saying that people can submit whatever the hell they want.
Basically I find it difficult to say what does or doesn't offend me until I'm actually offended.
maybe its a stupid question,
for example it would be a stupid question to ask if ... he drew the line at the same point as everyone who has a website and supports free speech draws it "no posting things that can get the owner in legal trouble"
or a stupid question if he doesn't care if the law gets broken and he isn't going to admit it because KYFMS and he doesn't want to get caught..
Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on August 03, 2009, 06:23:05 PM
QuoteI do think it's wrong when people say that they wouldn't censor anything out of principle, but can't answer a simple question upon which that principle is based. Kinda makes everyone else who supports that principle look stupid. Playing the "discordian" card in this manner is an infinite loop in of itself - fair enough - but it doesn't answer the question
no it doesn't, maybe its not even a question he can answer. Personally I leave stuff like that down to instinct, and when i try to rationalise that I almost always come out with contradictory bollocks (bandname?). I'd probably say I support free speech, but I would probably draw the line before I started publishing child porn. But up until the moment aforementioned article was submitted for publication, I'd probably be saying that people can submit whatever the hell they want.
Basically I find it difficult to say what does or doesn't offend me until I'm actually offended.
Thank you, this post really helps. I had beliefs and ideals and stances and all that, but like Mr. Biscuit said, in the end they end up nullifying themselves and each other. It is a cycle of perpetual self destruction. That is why I developed an interest in Eristic and Discordian thought. I figured that, if I'm not getting anywhere chasing my tail, I might as well enjoy myself doing it. Also, I hate it when people play the "My cousin/brother/aunt/friend lived/died/disappeared from cancer/drunk driving/alien lobotomy, so you are not allowed to make jokes about it" card. Also, if you want a better understanding of what I think, there are examples of my writing at cautionmag.com. It's not a lot at the moment, but I think you'll find (if you actually read it) that it's quite a bit more diverse than you would be willing to accept.
Troll ruint.
Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on August 03, 2009, 06:23:05 PM
QuoteI do think it's wrong when people say that they wouldn't censor anything out of principle, but can't answer a simple question upon which that principle is based. Kinda makes everyone else who supports that principle look stupid. Playing the "discordian" card in this manner is an infinite loop in of itself - fair enough - but it doesn't answer the question
no it doesn't, maybe its not even a question he can answer. Personally I leave stuff like that down to instinct, and when i try to rationalise that I almost always come out with contradictory bollocks (bandname?). I'd probably say I support free speech, but I would probably draw the line before I started publishing child porn. But up until the moment aforementioned article was submitted for publication, I'd probably be saying that people can submit whatever the hell they want.
Basically I find it difficult to say what does or doesn't offend me until I'm actually offended.
Fair enough - I think that is a solid answer.
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 06:24:13 PM
maybe its a stupid question,
for example it would be a stupid question to ask if he drew the line at the same point as everyone who has a website and supports free speech draws it "no posting things that can get the owner in legal trouble"
or a stupid question if he doesn't care if the law gets broken and he isn't going to admit it because KYFMS and he doesn't want to get caught..
Valid points. I'm not sure they apply here though. His case was basically "Don't complain to me about stuff
other contributors post, because I assume no responsibility for it - free speech - internet - I'm crazy!". Which is completely different from RBs case-by-case angle or just a simple "I'm sorry you were offended, we're trying out different things and some of it is bound to offend some people - that's kind of the point"
well if he allows anything up to the point of trouble with the law and somebody posts crap but its not illegal he is not responsible for it....
he thought it was funny and x-posted it over here and that he is responsible for and is the issue, not what is the line on his web site.
you seem to be asking the wrong question
If he has the power to approve or remove content, then he can't just throw his hands up in the air and magically claim that he has no responsibility.
It's there whether he likes it or not.
QuoteValid points. I'm not sure they apply here though. His case was basically "Don't complain to me about stuff other contributors post, because I assume no responsibility for it - free speech - internet - I'm crazy!". Which is completely different from RBs case-by-case angle or just a simple "I'm sorry you were offended, we're trying out different things and some of it is bound to offend some people - that's kind of the point"
I'm starting to think that I don't fully understand what you're gripe is. I am also wondering if it is because I just don't understand, on account that I am new here and am still unaware of the common practices, or if you are not being fully clear on what you're gripe is. Bottom line- I may be new, but I've read the Principia and the Illuminatus! and I'm pretty sure I understand the meanings of most of it. You are attempting to oppose your own grid on what me and my associates are doing. That is bull-shit, and no matter how right or wrong you may be, I will never accept any imposition. You want to know my stance? Well figure it the fuck out, I have plenty of writings available to read and have already made many posts here that you can also review to come to your own conclusion (which you are more than welcome to) I have no need to explain myself. Also, I came here to participate in my own way, not necessarily to have my mentality "challenged." (It seem to me that there are enough "mentally challenged" folk here). So, if you want to discuss something aside from trying to pick apart my nearly non-existent belief system, I will be more than happy to participate.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:07:30 PM
If he has the power to approve or remove content, then he can't just throw his hands up in the air and magically claim that he has no responsibility.
It's there whether he likes it or not.
he already told you he supports free speech (the right to post crap or gold ) on his site he also sports the right to call other peoples posts crap or gold as they see fit that's how free speech works.. :argh!:
FYI fiction puss is also a noob and an ass, he is testing his claws on you, he posted a bunch of dumb shit and got called on it when he showed up, and is trying to do the same to you (poorly)
Troll not ruint.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
I've read the Principia and the Illuminatus! and I'm pretty sure I understand the meanings of most of it.
You're one ahead of me then, I'm only half-way through both.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
You are attempting to oppose your own grid on what me and my associates are doing. That is bull-shit, and no matter how right or wrong you may be, I will never accept any imposition. You want to know my stance? Well figure it the fuck out,
No, I was simply asking you a question of where you draw the line with regards content you would remove if a contributor added it and you had a problem with it (e.g. child porn). You said you'd censor nothing, and refused to comment on how you would approach the examples I proposed. Your right. I didn't demand that you answer the question, and in fact said that you're welcome to ignore it, but I did point out when you avoided it entirely. Which you are still doing.
How am I trying to impose a grid upon you? You're free to ignore me and my questions.
Just FYI, if I deleted everything on this site I found questionable or distasteful, there would be 50% less posts.
And Giggles would be permabanned (not that it would stop him).
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
Troll not ruint.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
I've read the Principia and the Illuminatus! and I'm pretty sure I understand the meanings of most of it.
You're one ahead of me then, I'm only half-way through both.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
You are attempting to oppose your own grid on what me and my associates are doing. That is bull-shit, and no matter how right or wrong you may be, I will never accept any imposition. You want to know my stance? Well figure it the fuck out,
No, I was simply asking you a question of where you draw the line with regards content you would remove if a contributor added it and you had a problem with it (e.g. child porn). You said you'd censor nothing, and refused to comment on how you would approach the examples I proposed. Your right. I didn't demand that you answer the question, and in fact said that you're welcome to ignore it, but I did point out when you avoided it entirely. Which you are still doing.
How am I trying to impose a grid upon you? You're free to ignore me and my questions.
Ok then, in that case, the answer to your question is Smoked Haddock Galoshes.
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 07:13:42 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:07:30 PM
If he has the power to approve or remove content, then he can't just throw his hands up in the air and magically claim that he has no responsibility.
It's there whether he likes it or not.
he already told you he supports free speech (the right to post crap or gold ) on his site he also sports the right to call other peoples posts crap or gold as they see fit that's how free speech works.. :argh!:
How is this relevant to "I told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site" - is the legal issue implied?
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
No, I was simply asking you a question of where you draw the line with regards content you would remove if a contributor added it and you had a problem with it (e.g. child porn). You said you'd censor nothing, and refused to comment on how you would approach the examples I proposed. Your right. I didn't demand that you answer the question, and in fact said that you're welcome to ignore it, but I did point out when you avoided it entirely. Which you are still doing.
How am I trying to impose a grid upon you? You're free to ignore me and my questions.
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 06:24:13 PM
maybe its a stupid question,
for example it would be a stupid question to ask if ... he drew the line at the same point as everyone who has a website and supports free speech draws it "no posting things that can get the owner in legal trouble"
or a stupid question if he doesn't care if the law gets broken and he isn't going to admit it because KYFMS and he doesn't want to get caught..
its still a stupid question friction puss - if he has a free speech zone then the law is the line
- if he is an outlaw he knows to keep his fucking mouth shut.
end of story
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 07:25:53 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
No, I was simply asking you a question of where you draw the line with regards content you would remove if a contributor added it and you had a problem with it (e.g. child porn). You said you'd censor nothing, and refused to comment on how you would approach the examples I proposed. Your right. I didn't demand that you answer the question, and in fact said that you're welcome to ignore it, but I did point out when you avoided it entirely. Which you are still doing.
How am I trying to impose a grid upon you? You're free to ignore me and my questions.
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 06:24:13 PM
maybe its a stupid question,
for example it would be a stupid question to ask if ... he drew the line at the same point as everyone who has a website and supports free speech draws it "no posting things that can get the owner in legal trouble"
or a stupid question if he doesn't care if the law gets broken and he isn't going to admit it because KYFMS and he doesn't want to get caught..
its still a stupid question friction puss - if he has a free speech zone then the law is the line
- if he is an outlaw he knows to keep his fucking mouth shut.
end of story
If it is that simple then why was this not addressed by either of you when I brought the free speech/legal issue up back on page 2 (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg736284#msg736284)?
If he is an outlaw, then why doesn't he just lie and claim option #1? Would seem like the perfect cover.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:30:46 PM
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 07:25:53 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
No, I was simply asking you a question of where you draw the line with regards content you would remove if a contributor added it and you had a problem with it (e.g. child porn). You said you'd censor nothing, and refused to comment on how you would approach the examples I proposed. Your right. I didn't demand that you answer the question, and in fact said that you're welcome to ignore it, but I did point out when you avoided it entirely. Which you are still doing.
How am I trying to impose a grid upon you? You're free to ignore me and my questions.
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 06:24:13 PM
maybe its a stupid question,
for example it would be a stupid question to ask if ... he drew the line at the same point as everyone who has a website and supports free speech draws it "no posting things that can get the owner in legal trouble"
or a stupid question if he doesn't care if the law gets broken and he isn't going to admit it because KYFMS and he doesn't want to get caught..
its still a stupid question friction puss - if he has a free speech zone then the law is the line
- if he is an outlaw he knows to keep his fucking mouth shut.
end of story
If it is that simple then why was this not addressed by either of you when I brought the free speech/legal issue up back on page 2 (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg736284#msg736284)?
If he is an outlaw, then why doesn't he just lie and claim option #1? Would seem like the perfect cover.
Well, for one: I figured a good portion of that would be considered
COMMON SENSE around here. You have taught me a valuable lesson: never assume that anyone on a Discordian website knows what the fuck is going on.
Meanwhile, can someone
please talk some shit about the stuff that
I wrote???
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 07:22:27 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
Troll not ruint.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
I've read the Principia and the Illuminatus! and I'm pretty sure I understand the meanings of most of it.
You're one ahead of me then, I'm only half-way through both.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
You are attempting to oppose your own grid on what me and my associates are doing. That is bull-shit, and no matter how right or wrong you may be, I will never accept any imposition. You want to know my stance? Well figure it the fuck out,
No, I was simply asking you a question of where you draw the line with regards content you would remove if a contributor added it and you had a problem with it (e.g. child porn). You said you'd censor nothing, and refused to comment on how you would approach the examples I proposed. Your right. I didn't demand that you answer the question, and in fact said that you're welcome to ignore it, but I did point out when you avoided it entirely. Which you are still doing.
How am I trying to impose a grid upon you? You're free to ignore me and my questions.
Ok then, in that case, the answer to your question is Smoked Haddock Galoshes.
Lampshade will likely be in touch shortly.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 07:35:36 PM
Well, for one: I figured a good portion of that would be considered COMMON SENSE around here. You have taught me a valuable lesson: never assume that anyone on a Discordian website knows what the fuck is going on.
You're welcome :-)
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:30:46 PM
If it is that simple then why was this not addressed by either of you when I brought the free speech/legal issue up back on page 2 (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg736284#msg736284)?
If he is an outlaw, then why doesn't he just lie and claim option #1? Would seem like the perfect cover.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/pigography/Cute%20Stuff/I-See-Stupid-People.jpg)
i cant correct them all
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 07:40:23 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:30:46 PM
If it is that simple then why was this not addressed by either of you when I brought the free speech/legal issue up back on page 2 (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg736284#msg736284)?
If he is an outlaw, then why doesn't he just lie and claim option #1? Would seem like the perfect cover.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/pigography/Cute%20Stuff/I-See-Stupid-People.jpg)
i cant correct them all
You could start by pointing out exactly what you think you see is dumb.
in response to the OP, and dimo's most recent attempt to re-rail the thread:
I do like your crazy ranting style, but I'd say, from someone who classes themselves discordian, lay off the use of second person. people tend to switch off if you are too aggressive in the writing style. If you're making blind accusations/generalisations, you can expect a lot of people to say, "actually I'm not like that at all, this guy's an idiot etc." Even if they are exactly like that and you're not.
Maybe you could try, for a fun self-mindfuck, to act according to your ideals as they are now, but preach the opposite. Might be interesting.
To clarify:
Current ideal: smoking is bad Hypocratic action: smoking.
New ideal: Smoking is good Hypocratic action: not smoking.
Thats just a basic example, but I'm sure you could apply it a lot of your current philosophies, and maybe you'd find out something interesting.
God I talk a lot of shit.
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 07:18:13 PM
FYI fiction puss is also a noob and an ass, he is testing his claws on you, he posted a bunch of dumb shit and got called on it when he showed up, and is trying to do the same to you (poorly)
Is that a reason not to let my troll roll? I annoyed you at some point?
Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on August 03, 2009, 07:47:52 PM
in response to the OP, and dimo's most recent attempt to re-rail the thread:
I do like your crazy ranting style, but I'd say, from someone who classes themselves discordian, lay off the use of second person. people tend to switch off if you are too aggressive in the writing style. If you're making blind accusations/generalisations, you can expect a lot of people to say, "actually I'm not like that at all, this guy's an idiot etc." Even if they are exactly like that and you're not.
Maybe you could try, for a fun self-mindfuck, to act according to your ideals as they are now, but preach the opposite. Might be interesting.
To clarify:
Current ideal: smoking is bad Hypocratic action: smoking.
New ideal: Smoking is good Hypocratic action: not smoking.
Thats just a basic example, but I'm sure you could apply it a lot of your current philosophies, and maybe you'd find out something interesting.
God I talk a lot of shit.
Ahh, thank you so much. You're an all right guy. For some reason, I find it's really difficult for me to get solid constructive criticism, so this is
much appreciated. Although, I like the blind accusations/generalizations. I think they're funny. And I also think it's funny if any one was ever all like "OMG, I am sooooo not like that *snarfs cheese-burger*, but you are probably right in saying that. As far as the self mind fuck, I've done it in the past. It can get really confusing when you already have an identity crisis (I like the word "identity" because it's got a tity). Just curious, did you just read the bit about smoking, or have you read the other stuff, too? There is some more free-form/trippy shit in there, too.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:44:37 PM
You could start by pointing out exactly what you think you see is dumb.
i cant believe i am bored enough to do this :argh!:
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 02, 2009, 05:04:00 PM
I told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site, so if you want to go on a tirade find the guy who posted that and get emotional with him. Welcome to the internet, things may get offensive. Now that that's done, it is also nice to meet you.
1st dumb - he confused what he allows to be put up on his site with his endorsement of the pic through xposting here
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 02, 2009, 05:55:34 PM
And if a contributor advocates for a change in law with regards abolishing the age of consent while making it clear that they don't respect that law in their personal life?
You can play the "free speech" and "internet" cards if you wish, but if you don't make your personal stand clear than people will assume the worst from whom you choose to associate with.
You're also not going to allow something to be published which is going to get you in trouble with National Security services, because shits'n'giggles isn't worth it, and I can repost something from wikileaks if you want to test that theory.
You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?
dumb x2 you continue his mistake and try to turn it into a pointless argument about freedom of speech
and pretty much everything in this thread after that point including you not understanding what freedom of speech means and him not being able to explain it to you
and now re jack back to....
For the record, I did not x-post that picture. Someone else did and I wish they hadn't. I wanted constructive critisicm of my writing (it's hard to find with the people I know, and you guys seem extra critical), not an all-out shit flinging contest.
I also skimmed through the bit about rubbish movies, and the one about crazy thoughts and chemicals, which I found interesting, but I'm a bit sleepy so I don't really have a proper opinion on it yet... maybe ill re-read properly tomorrow
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:50:07 PM
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 07:18:13 PM
FYI fiction puss is also a noob and an ass, he is testing his claws on you, he posted a bunch of dumb shit and got called on it when he showed up, and is trying to do the same to you (poorly)
Is that a reason not to let my troll roll? I annoyed you at some point?
You seem to think that trolling discordians is a totally original idea, that it's never been done before.
It's not new, and unless you've established yourself it is STUPID.
As much as we think for ourselves, there is still a group sociality here based in democratic meritocracy. If you don't have merit established by actually contributing (or doing something funny or entertaining), or have negative merit from doing something stupid, you aren't accepted when you play "poke the n00b".
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 08:04:49 PM
For the record, I did not x-post that picture. Someone else did and I wish they hadn't. I wanted constructive critisicm of my writing (it's hard to find with the people I know, and you guys seem extra critical), not an all-out shit flinging contest.
ok i didnt see that it changes it a bit (i came in to this thread late) just ignore the 1st dumb part of my last post..
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 08:02:16 PM
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 02, 2009, 05:04:00 PM
I told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site, so if you want to go on a tirade find the guy who posted that and get emotional with him. Welcome to the internet, things may get offensive. Now that that's done, it is also nice to meet you.
1st dumb - he confused what he allows to be put up on his site with his endorsement of the pic through xposting here
No I didn't. I take his endorsement of the picture to be implied by the fact the picture is on his website. It's a magazine with contributors, not to be confused with a forum.
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 08:02:16 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 02, 2009, 05:55:34 PM
And if a contributor advocates for a change in law with regards abolishing the age of consent while making it clear that they don't respect that law in their personal life?
You can play the "free speech" and "internet" cards if you wish, but if you don't make your personal stand clear than people will assume the worst from whom you choose to associate with.
You're also not going to allow something to be published which is going to get you in trouble with National Security services, because shits'n'giggles isn't worth it, and I can repost something from wikileaks if you want to test that theory.
You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?
dumb x2 you continue his mistake and try to turn it into a pointless argument about freedom of speech
and pretty much everything in this thread after that point including you not understanding what freedom of speech means and him not being able to explain it to you
I understand freedom of speech quite clearly. I didn't bring up freedom of speech. Would he allow Rev Lampshade as a contributor? From what I can tell so far - yes.
I simply wanted to know what his rough boundaries and motivations were before deciding whether I wanted to spend more time going through his writing and giving him a critique.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 08:18:14 PM
I simply wanted to know what his rough boundaries and motivations were before deciding whether I wanted to spend more time going through his writing and giving him a critique.
Kerry Thornley tried to fuck a child. and a chair. I think you should stop being a discordian and leave immediately.
QuoteI simply wanted to know what his rough boundaries and motivations were before deciding whether I wanted to spend more time going through his writing and giving him a critique.
I call call bullshit on this statement. If you read my stuff, and my other posts, you would know that shit already (or at least enough to have a general idea of what my "motivations" might be). You simply wanted a chance to wave your pseudo-intellectual flag and your false moral superiority all over the place. At least Squid had real motivation to fling shit.
Quote from: Kai on August 03, 2009, 08:09:04 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 07:50:07 PM
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 07:18:13 PM
FYI fiction puss is also a noob and an ass, he is testing his claws on you, he posted a bunch of dumb shit and got called on it when he showed up, and is trying to do the same to you (poorly)
Is that a reason not to let my troll roll? I annoyed you at some point?
You seem to think that trolling discordians is a totally original idea, that it's never been done before.
Nope - I don't think that at all.
Quote from: Kai on August 03, 2009, 08:09:04 PM
It's not new, and unless you've established yourself it is STUPID.
Agreed. It would have been smarter to keep quiet.
Quote from: Kai on August 03, 2009, 08:09:04 PM
As much as we think for ourselves, there is still a group sociality here based in democratic meritocracy. If you don't have merit established by actually contributing (or doing something funny or entertaining), or have negative merit from doing something stupid, you aren't accepted when you play "poke the n00b".
I started off with a genuine question (where do you draw the line) and when he avoided the question I kept prodding. I'm pretty much convinced that he hadn't thought these questions through, and I was trying to help him with this rather than just shitting on him for kicks. That's not my style.
Now it hadn't occurred to me that what I was doing could be classed as trolling, but I framed it that way because not letting Dimo1138 think for himself and express his own ideas does him no favours at all.
Did you read all of this thread?
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 08:18:14 PM
You can play the "free speech" and "internet" cards if you wish, but if you don't make your personal stand clear than people will assume the worst from whom you choose to associate with.
You're also not going to allow something to be published which is going to get you in trouble with National Security services, because shits'n'giggles isn't worth it, and I can repost something from wikileaks if you want to test that theory.
You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?
Quote
I understand freedom of speech quite clearly. I didn't bring up freedom of speech. Would he allow Rev Lampshade as a contributor? From what I can tell so far - yes.
I simply wanted to know what his rough boundaries and motivations were before deciding whether I wanted to spend more time going through his writing and giving him a critique.
see bold :lulz: and you already said you are trying to troll the guy cant have it both ways,
i doubt he gives a rats ass about your opinion now, i guess we should welcome him to the rapidly expanding majority of people here that dont care about your opinion..
Quotei guess we should welcome him to the rapidly expanding majority of people here that dont care about your opinion..
See my last post.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 08:34:24 PM
QuoteI simply wanted to know what his rough boundaries and motivations were before deciding whether I wanted to spend more time going through his writing and giving him a critique.
I call call bullshit on this statement. If you read my stuff, and my other posts, you would know that shit already (or at least enough to have a general idea of what my "motivations" might be). You simply wanted a chance to wave your pseudo-intellectual flag and your false moral superiority all over the place. At least Squid had real motivation to fling shit.
You're new and you post like a spaz. There may be something there, but why should I invest the time finding out and going through all of your shit when you cannot simply address the first question I pose to you?
Quotes please for "pseudo-intellectual flag" and "false moral superiority" or stfu.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 08:38:10 PM
Quotei guess we should welcome him to the rapidly expanding majority of people here that dont care about your opinion..
See my last post.
WELCOME
Quote from: fomenter on August 03, 2009, 08:36:23 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 08:18:14 PM
You can play the "free speech" and "internet" cards if you wish, but if you don't make your personal stand clear than people will assume the worst from whom you choose to associate with.
You're also not going to allow something to be published which is going to get you in trouble with National Security services, because shits'n'giggles isn't worth it, and I can repost something from wikileaks if you want to test that theory.
You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?
Quote
I understand freedom of speech quite clearly. I didn't bring up freedom of speech. Would he allow Rev Lampshade as a contributor? From what I can tell so far - yes.
I simply wanted to know what his rough boundaries and motivations were before deciding whether I wanted to spend more time going through his writing and giving him a critique.
see bold :lulz: and you already said you are trying to troll the guy cant have it both ways,
Huh? He brought up freedom of speech first, what's your point?
Am I limited to only having one single simplistic motivation for my actions now? Are you?
oh...my...non-existent...GOD!!!! GET A LIFE (YELLING)!!!!!!
QuoteYou can play the "pretentious questions" card if you wish, but if you don't make your personal stand clear then people will assume the worst from who chooses to associate with you.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 08:41:21 PM
Huh? He brought up freedom of speech first, what's your point?
Oh no wait, that appears to have been me. :oops:
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 08:35:07 PM
Did you read all of this thread?
You expect me to wade through five pages of this stuff?
Quote
You're new and you post like a spaz. There may be something there, but why should I invest the time finding out and going through all of your shit when you cannot simply address the first question I pose to you?
Quotes please for "pseudo-intellectual flag" and "false moral superiority" or stfu.
Most of the above could be applied to you.
Quote from: Kai on August 03, 2009, 09:05:46 PM
Most of the above could be applied to you.
I was also thinking this.
QuoteDate Registered: July 17, 2009, 02:59:00 PM
I mean, really? Back in the day, we used to wait at least a month before telling newer people to get out.
Quote from: Kai on August 03, 2009, 09:05:46 PM
Quote
You're new and you post like a spaz. There may be something there, but why should I invest the time finding out and going through all of your shit when you cannot simply address the first question I pose to you?
Quotes please for "pseudo-intellectual flag" and "false moral superiority" or stfu.
Most of the above could be applied to you.
To be fair, sometimes only
some of the above applies to fictionpuss. Of course there are those other times when ALL of the above does.
For the record, it's no longer mah birfday... :sad:
Quote from: Kai on August 03, 2009, 09:05:46 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 08:35:07 PM
Did you read all of this thread?
You expect me to wade through five pages of this stuff?
Sadly, no. But if your assumptions are based upon the fact that an established member had already decided to take sides, then it doesn't really matter what happened in the last five pages.
Quote from: Kai on August 03, 2009, 09:05:46 PM
Quote
You're new and you post like a spaz. There may be something there, but why should I invest the time finding out and going through all of your shit when you cannot simply address the first question I pose to you?
Quotes please for "pseudo-intellectual flag" and "false moral superiority" or stfu.
Most of the above could be applied to you.
True. But I don't weasel and avoid answering a simple question posed to me for five pages.
but you do pose the same question for 5 pages, which is frankly kinda annoying.
Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on August 03, 2009, 09:51:13 PM
but you do pose the same question for 5 pages, which is frankly kinda annoying.
Point taken. I guess I was the only one who found it entertaining. Incidentally, I still am curious to hear an answer, but the nearest I can figure out, he hasn't really thought about it.
people tend not to until it becomes an issue, which I guess in his eyes, it hasn't yet. That's almost an answer right there.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on August 03, 2009, 09:51:13 PM
but you do pose the same question for 5 pages, which is frankly kinda annoying.
Point taken. I guess I was the only one who found it entertaining. Incidentally, I still am curious to hear an answer, but the nearest I can figure out, he hasn't really thought about it.
I've given you many answers, and it's true that some may have been better than others, but I ask
you this: why, my furry feline friend, are you such a douche? I expect a thorough explanation, and
no dodging the issue.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 04, 2009, 03:46:59 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on August 03, 2009, 09:51:13 PM
but you do pose the same question for 5 pages, which is frankly kinda annoying.
Point taken. I guess I was the only one who found it entertaining. Incidentally, I still am curious to hear an answer, but the nearest I can figure out, he hasn't really thought about it.
I've given you many answers, and it's true that some may have been better than others,
Then humour me, with just one, which you believe? Or not. Because I still have no clue what you actually think.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 04, 2009, 03:46:59 AM
but I ask you this: why, my furry feline friend, are you such a douche? I expect a thorough explanation, and no dodging the issue.
I'm a douche because I don't understand many things. Things which have been discussed in detail in many places, and many times before, many times over, this place being one of them. I'm a douche because instead of devoting another good portion of my life doing my own original research, I prefer to suck the time from those who have made that investment. I'm a douche because I don't show proper respect to that investment. I'm a douche because if my thinking is getting me nowhere fast, I'll quickly become impatient and ask a stupid question rather than work it out for myself. I'm a douche because I'll doggedly keep asking that question until I have an answer. I'm a douche because I believe in making my own mistakes instead of heading good advice, and trust me, that's stupid. I'm a douche because I don't lurk, I jump in. I'm a douche because I'll say some crazy shit one day, and have the audacity to deny the rabble a decent pounding because I'll frequently change my mind the next. I'm never going to claim that I'm a ninja or the smartest in the forum, and that there's some tasty low-hanging fruit of scorn. I'm a douche because even if I did believe those things privately, I'd never admit to them, because it'd totally ruin the parameters of this vast sociological experiment I must be executing. I'm a douche because I see myself a victim to my own delusions, and claim responsibility for them only in the most abstract of ways. I'm a douche because I
know both my failings and my given station, yet I pretend to be the equal of anyone and everyone I converse with. I'm a douche because I know this causes ripples and wastes peoples time, yet I consistently put my own learning needs before those of others. I'm a douche because if "no" is an answer I don't like then I'll ignore it, especially if everyone says it in unison. I'm a fucking douche because I create my own universe of meritocracy, with my own relative scales, and fuck yours sonny. I'm a douche because I'll agree with you if I think you're right, or if it furthers my own interests, but you're on your own to figure that one out. I'm a stupid douche because I know I'm not as smart as I think I am, but I think thinking I am smarter than I am is one way to get there. I'm a douche because I'll troll, claim it was an accident, start bland secondary discussions which appear to give me the benefit of the doubt, then troll again and repeat the cycle to the point where anyone who ever took me seriously, seriously wishes they hadn't. I'm a douche because I know the way to avoid this would be to lurk moar and follow established methods of successful socialisation and communication, but I don't. I'm a douche because I'd rather go down in flames than submit to memes I don't find beneficial to me personally. I'm a douche because last night I cleaned out your mom.
(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/spiff_bucket/douche.png)
EDIT: It
should go without saying that I'm a douche in more ways than I can possibly imagine, but if I've left out some of the more obvious ones, do let me know.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 05:38:50 AM
(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/spiff_bucket/douche.png)
Swiped for WOMP. muhaha
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 05:38:50 AM
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 04, 2009, 03:46:59 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 03, 2009, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on August 03, 2009, 09:51:13 PM
but you do pose the same question for 5 pages, which is frankly kinda annoying.
Point taken. I guess I was the only one who found it entertaining. Incidentally, I still am curious to hear an answer, but the nearest I can figure out, he hasn't really thought about it.
I've given you many answers, and it's true that some may have been better than others,
Then humour me, with just one, which you believe? Or not. Because I still have no clue what you actually think.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 04, 2009, 03:46:59 AM
but I ask you this: why, my furry feline friend, are you such a douche? I expect a thorough explanation, and no dodging the issue.
I'm a douche because I don't understand many things. Things which have been discussed in detail in many places, and many times before, many times over, this place being one of them. I'm a douche because instead of devoting another good portion of my life doing my own original research, I prefer to suck the time from those who have made that investment. I'm a douche because I don't show proper respect to that investment. I'm a douche because if my thinking is getting me nowhere fast, I'll quickly become impatient and ask a stupid question rather than work it out for myself. I'm a douche because I'll doggedly keep asking that question until I have an answer. I'm a douche because I believe in making my own mistakes instead of heading good advice, and trust me, that's stupid. I'm a douche because I don't lurk, I jump in. I'm a douche because I'll say some crazy shit one day, and have the audacity to deny the rabble a decent pounding because I'll frequently change my mind the next. I'm never going to claim that I'm a ninja or the smartest in the forum, and that there's some tasty low-hanging fruit of scorn. I'm a douche because even if I did believe those things privately, I'd never admit to them, because it'd totally ruin the parameters of this vast sociological experiment I must be executing. I'm a douche because I see myself a victim to my own delusions, and claim responsibility for them only in the most abstract of ways. I'm a douche because I know both my failings and my given station, yet I pretend to be the equal of anyone and everyone I converse with. I'm a douche because I know this causes ripples and wastes peoples time, yet I consistently put my own learning needs before those of others. I'm a douche because if "no" is an answer I don't like then I'll ignore it, especially if everyone says it in unison. I'm a fucking douche because I create my own universe of meritocracy, with my own relative scales, and fuck yours sonny. I'm a douche because I'll agree with you if I think you're right, or if it furthers my own interests, but you're on your own to figure that one out. I'm a stupid douche because I know I'm not as smart as I think I am, but I think thinking I am smarter than I am is one way to get there. I'm a douche because I'll troll, claim it was an accident, start bland secondary discussions which appear to give me the benefit of the doubt, then troll again and repeat the cycle to the point where anyone who ever took me seriously, seriously wishes they hadn't. I'm a douche because I know the way to avoid this would be to lurk moar and follow established methods of successful socialisation and communication, but I don't. I'm a douche because I'd rather go down in flames than submit to memes I don't find beneficial to me personally. I'm a douche because last night I cleaned out your mom.
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EDIT: It should go without saying that I'm a douche in more ways than I can possibly imagine, but if I've left out some of the more obvious ones, do let me know.
See, I assumed that, just because I don't care bout your massive wall o' text, that you didn't care about mine. If you wanted an essay you should have specified, but to be frank, I have better things to spend my time on than explaining myself to some stranger on a discordian forum. Jeez, kid.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
you butt horns!!
Dimo- i didn't really get a chance to read anything. i'm always pressed for time. i was only pointing out a picture i thought was crap.
doesn't mean the rest of your site is crap, i wouldn't know, i didn't READ IT.
you'll learn, many of us are quite abrasive. (at least i am) and i don't mind giving my opinion no matter how much it's not wanted. i'm a jerk. a bitter bitter jerk.
Now you guys quit all your damn bickering. I'm sure his "freedom of speech" rules apply the same as they do anywhere. Long as no laws are broken then WHATEVER.
So let's all yank those kiwano fruits out of our asses and lighten up.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 04, 2009, 05:57:45 AM
See, I assumed that, just because I don't care bout your massive wall o' text, that you didn't care about mine. If you wanted an essay you should have specified, but to be frank, I have better things to spend my time on than explaining myself to some stranger on a discordian forum. Jeez, kid.
Well ya, you got me good. But you know what, I think I learned more from this experience than you did. And I spent less time doing so. Claim victory if you like, but by my math, I'm still ahead. So I guess I owe you some thanks.
My universe is just a little bit brighter knowing that the moronic vapidity that was Dimo1138 has turned out to be fiction, and that whoever you really are will just be endlessly consumed, concocting increasingly elaborate hoaxes.
But until we meet again, fuck off, eh?
I thought we were DONE here
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Now see, fictionpuss posted a pic there, and I bet you thought he was "pulling a face" but he isn't, oh no.
Western Canadians all look like that after 10 years or so. It's something to do with the water, or standing all skew-wiff on the Rockies, or drinking piss poor B.C. beer or something.
Also, yes, yoinked for WOMP. This will come in very handy.
Hey fictionpuss... suck an ass.
Quote from: Payne on August 04, 2009, 01:26:31 PM
Western Canadians all look like that after 10 years or so. It's something to do with the water, or standing all skew-wiff on the Rockies, or drinking piss poor B.C. beer or something.
But... I'm from Scotland. It's probably just close proximity to weegees and buckfast.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 04:41:42 PM
Quote from: Payne on August 04, 2009, 01:26:31 PM
Western Canadians all look like that after 10 years or so. It's something to do with the water, or standing all skew-wiff on the Rockies, or drinking piss poor B.C. beer or something.
But... I'm from Scotland. It's probably just close proximity to weegees and buckfast.
No shit?
I was born in Chilliwack, and now live in Scotland (south of Aberdeen). No wonder I dislike you. We're completely opposite from each other.
Quote from: Payne on August 04, 2009, 04:57:51 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 04:41:42 PM
Quote from: Payne on August 04, 2009, 01:26:31 PM
Western Canadians all look like that after 10 years or so. It's something to do with the water, or standing all skew-wiff on the Rockies, or drinking piss poor B.C. beer or something.
But... I'm from Scotland. It's probably just close proximity to weegees and buckfast.
No shit?
I was born in Chilliwack, and now live in Scotland (south of Aberdeen). No wonder I dislike you. We're completely opposite from each other.
Well.. I was born in England but moved to Scotland at age six - growing up in Scotland that doesn't make me Scottish by any means, as any of those bigoted motherfuckers will tell you, even if virtually all of my memories are from there. That and I'm in Toronto, not BC.
So we're not complete opposites, but luckily there are plenty of other reasons to dislike me. Apparently.
Quote from: Hoopla on August 04, 2009, 05:14:37 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 05:07:07 PMI'm in Toronto, not BC.
How stinky is it where you are?
Quite. I work from home most days, and I haven't yet showered.
According to my math you're still a dumb fucker who's low self esteem leads to you stroking your own pathetic ego on a public forum. Get a life, man, you were the only one having a competition, I wasn't competing with you anyway. Claiming victory here is like patting yourself on the back after beating yourself in chess. What a maroon...
Your math is wrong, and this is the last thing I'll feed you. You don't even merit something original though, so suck it.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 04, 2009, 05:36:48 PM
According to my math you're still a dumb fucker who's low self esteem leads to you stroking your own pathetic ego on a public forum. Get a life, man, you were the only one having a competition, I wasn't competing with you anyway. Claiming victory here is like patting yourself on the back after beating yourself in chess. What a maroon...
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Man, the worst thing about the internet (outside of ignorant pretentious fucks) is not being able to punch people in the face.
wow I feel like I just went back in time five years
:sad:
this thread is stupid
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Do you have an owl for every occasion?
She certainly certainly does.
Oh, and Dimo, suck an ass.
*face-punch*
*face-punch*
:action:
*face-punch*
Here's an essay for Fictionpuss. It's an observation exercise from my English 1010 (Composition 1) class portfolio.
Unlike Fictionpuss, my essay does not answer any questions, and, I don't expect anyone to actually read it.
Proof
It was noisy when I arrived. For the most part, it was the kind of noise you would usually associate with a busy subway station: hundreds of shuffling feet, conversation, the occasional stranger yelling. Add to the already raucous audio assortment the sounds of people drinking; clinking glass, heavy bottom pint glasses slamming onto pressed particle board tables and laughter. You don't usually hear a lot of laughter waiting at the subway station. The people here are not waiting for a train but are waiting for something else to transport them, in an entirely different sense of the word. They are waiting to be elevated beyond their usual zone of comfort, beyond their bubble, where people keep to themselves and they recoil at the thought of interacting with strangers.
Drunken people do drunken things through every dingy corner of the venue. Unnecessary shouting is accompanied by people talking too close to each other, laughing at jokes that they won't remember in the morning. They crowd the bar, like little piglets trying to wedge themselves in to suckle on the teat of whatever taps are still pouring sudsy I.P.A.s and frothy stouts. The crowd does nothing but grow in size and in volume. Just like anything else, if you try to fill something past it's capacity, it's sure to burst or explode.
I am viewing this all from my own unique and specific vantage point. My vision, while filtered as if I were wearing a pair of thick, coke-bottle novelty glasses, is capable of looking into each person I see; from the over eager teenagers, whose anticipation makes them writhe like a burlap sack full of hyperactive puppies, to the somber looking table of older folk who, at the moment, seem unimpressed and uninspired, but will soon be participating in the melee. You can only feign disinterest for so long before your core reveals you.
I had observed from the platform that in the midst of recent renovations, the staging area was now a bit larger than I remembered it being previously, with a new drum riser and its own entry door stage left. Most of the new woodwork was left unpainted and bare, either to be finished later, or to be forgotten about entirely. Someone must have been confused, however, because they had found it okay to have placed a rather large, expensive looking flat screen television on the stage, beside the riser.
"That will end up broken," I said to myself out loud.
Five police officers invited themselves in, presumably, without paying the five dollar cover. Two of them must have thought they were ninjas, as they hid in the darkest corners, as the telltale red pinstripes and clean shining badges didn't give them away completely. I'm not sure why they came. They were either frightened that such a large group of people would be able to mobilize with a sense of solidarity so strong that they could overthrow the small town in a night (free speech is dangerous), or they really wanted to see the show.
All the noise and activity, while booming and dynamic, was nothing but a warm-up for what was to come. The noise would soon grow past a mere din and the crowd will become akin to a small, scaled down, time-lapsed model of the universe; bodies in motion moving in small orbits, and then smashing into each other with extreme force. There is no animosity in celestial bodies when they violently interact physically with each other; they all understand that that is just the way of the universe, and they accept it, as the people do here.
The bright lights, while illuminating me and my fellow colleagues, also blind us to any one standing any further than arms length away. As the crowd reaches critical mass it becomes more and more volatile. Soon it becomes clear to us that, if we do not start soon, the rabble might be so inclined to provide themselves with their own entertainment, potentially at our expense. We toy with this, deliberately wasting time telling jokes and speaking benignly about whichever current events we find to be humorous or relevant, as to bring the audience to the brink of anticipation. I am signaled by my guitarist by a brief glance, unnoticed by the crowd, that the time is now. Unexpectedly, we initiate our sneak attack with a blitzkrieg of sound and fury.
The next forty-five minutes are a blur. The air becomes hot and moist with sweat. The thickened air is difficult to breathe. The floor becomes slick and gritty with tracked in dirt and broken glass. The music is too loud to hear, but nobody cares. The miniature model of the universe has been set into motion. In a massive tidal wave of human forms I received a violent blow to the face. I felt the microphone's metal screening breach the integrity of my lip, releasing the red connective tissue that most of us like to keep inside of ourselves. The blood tasted like copper pennies. I didn't stop. I couldn't if I had wanted to. How could one stop an avalanche or a land slide once initiated? I was no longer in charge. I was no longer the focus. I was doing what I had set out to do; channel the chaotic spirit of the universe and instill it into the crowd. They may have not even been aware of it consciously, and even if they were aware, this was hardly the time to become analytical. The people are here to validate their own existence. The pain proves you are real; that you are still alive.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 05:07:07 PMI was born in England
I'm pretty sure you can't get any less Scottish than that.
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 05:07:07 PMI was born in England
I'm pretty sure you can't get any less Scottish than that.
Tell me about it. But since I grew up and spent the worst 26 years of my life there, I consider myself from Scotland, but not Scottish. Thankfully.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 05:07:07 PMI was born in England
I'm pretty sure you can't get any less Scottish than that.
Tell me about it. But since I grew up and spent the worst 26 years of my life there, I consider myself from Scotland, but not Scottish. Thankfully.
Well as long as you understand that as long as you were born in England, to us you're about as English as Vinnie Jones dressed as the Queen while morris dancing and drinking tea (other than Scottish Blend, obviously).
Quote from: Squid on August 04, 2009, 06:05:04 AM
Dimo- i didn't really get a chance to read anything. i'm always pressed for time. i was only pointing out a picture i thought was crap.
doesn't mean the rest of your site is crap, i wouldn't know, i didn't READ IT.
good to hear that Squid, cause really this thread had me thinking more than one time, why the fuck are you guys (in general) getting so worked up about one pic of a vandalized drunk driving ad? i mean its just one pic and he already said that he didnt really agree with it.
and then what really bugged me, and I wonder why no one jumped on that, is when Fiction Puss started comparing publishing a pic of a vandalized roadsign to publishing CHILD PORN
i mean
WTF
okay 000 so why didnt you post that earlier? cause i didnt have time. ok?
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 04, 2009, 09:05:44 PM
Here's an essay for Fictionpuss. It's an observation exercise from my English 1010 (Composition 1) class portfolio.
Unlike Fictionpuss, my essay does not answer any questions, and, I don't expect anyone to actually read it.
Proof
It was noisy when I arrived. For the most part, it was the kind of noise you would usually associate with a busy subway station: hundreds of shuffling feet, conversation, the occasional stranger yelling. Add to the already raucous audio assortment the sounds of people drinking; clinking glass, heavy bottom pint glasses slamming onto pressed particle board tables and laughter. You don't usually hear a lot of laughter waiting at the subway station. The people here are not waiting for a train but are waiting for something else to transport them, in an entirely different sense of the word. They are waiting to be elevated beyond their usual zone of comfort, beyond their bubble, where people keep to themselves and they recoil at the thought of interacting with strangers.
Drunken people do drunken things through every dingy corner of the venue. Unnecessary shouting is accompanied by people talking too close to each other, laughing at jokes that they won't remember in the morning. They crowd the bar, like little piglets trying to wedge themselves in to suckle on the teat of whatever taps are still pouring sudsy I.P.A.s and frothy stouts. The crowd does nothing but grow in size and in volume. Just like anything else, if you try to fill something past it's capacity, it's sure to burst or explode.
I am viewing this all from my own unique and specific vantage point. My vision, while filtered as if I were wearing a pair of thick, coke-bottle novelty glasses, is capable of looking into each person I see; from the over eager teenagers, whose anticipation makes them writhe like a burlap sack full of hyperactive puppies, to the somber looking table of older folk who, at the moment, seem unimpressed and uninspired, but will soon be participating in the melee. You can only feign disinterest for so long before your core reveals you.
I had observed from the platform that in the midst of recent renovations, the staging area was now a bit larger than I remembered it being previously, with a new drum riser and its own entry door stage left. Most of the new woodwork was left unpainted and bare, either to be finished later, or to be forgotten about entirely. Someone must have been confused, however, because they had found it okay to have placed a rather large, expensive looking flat screen television on the stage, beside the riser.
"That will end up broken," I said to myself out loud.
Five police officers invited themselves in, presumably, without paying the five dollar cover. Two of them must have thought they were ninjas, as they hid in the darkest corners, as the telltale red pinstripes and clean shining badges didn't give them away completely. I'm not sure why they came. They were either frightened that such a large group of people would be able to mobilize with a sense of solidarity so strong that they could overthrow the small town in a night (free speech is dangerous), or they really wanted to see the show.
All the noise and activity, while booming and dynamic, was nothing but a warm-up for what was to come. The noise would soon grow past a mere din and the crowd will become akin to a small, scaled down, time-lapsed model of the universe; bodies in motion moving in small orbits, and then smashing into each other with extreme force. There is no animosity in celestial bodies when they violently interact physically with each other; they all understand that that is just the way of the universe, and they accept it, as the people do here.
The bright lights, while illuminating me and my fellow colleagues, also blind us to any one standing any further than arms length away. As the crowd reaches critical mass it becomes more and more volatile. Soon it becomes clear to us that, if we do not start soon, the rabble might be so inclined to provide themselves with their own entertainment, potentially at our expense. We toy with this, deliberately wasting time telling jokes and speaking benignly about whichever current events we find to be humorous or relevant, as to bring the audience to the brink of anticipation. I am signaled by my guitarist by a brief glance, unnoticed by the crowd, that the time is now. Unexpectedly, we initiate our sneak attack with a blitzkrieg of sound and fury.
The next forty-five minutes are a blur. The air becomes hot and moist with sweat. The thickened air is difficult to breathe. The floor becomes slick and gritty with tracked in dirt and broken glass. The music is too loud to hear, but nobody cares. The miniature model of the universe has been set into motion. In a massive tidal wave of human forms I received a violent blow to the face. I felt the microphone's metal screening breach the integrity of my lip, releasing the red connective tissue that most of us like to keep inside of ourselves. The blood tasted like copper pennies. I didn't stop. I couldn't if I had wanted to. How could one stop an avalanche or a land slide once initiated? I was no longer in charge. I was no longer the focus. I was doing what I had set out to do; channel the chaotic spirit of the universe and instill it into the crowd. They may have not even been aware of it consciously, and even if they were aware, this was hardly the time to become analytical. The people are here to validate their own existence. The pain proves you are real; that you are still alive.
TL;DR
Perchance, Do you go by the name Dead Kennedy?
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 05:07:07 PMI was born in England
I'm pretty sure you can't get any less Scottish than that.
Tell me about it. But since I grew up and spent the worst 26 years of my life there, I consider myself from Scotland, but not Scottish. Thankfully.
Well as long as you understand that as long as you were born in England, to us you're about as English as Vinnie Jones dressed as the Queen while morris dancing and drinking tea (other than Scottish Blend, obviously).
Yeah - random punches to the face, death threats and a constant stream of bigotry and abuse are quite clear indications of this common belief. Never did find out what was so special about
being Scottish, apart from a naturally violent inclination towards the English. The best parts of Scotland I ever found was in the countryside, but that's only because it was virtually empty as everyone else was down the pub getting pissed and telling jokes about how everything is the fault of The English.
And then you have Hogmanay, and the sugar sweet coating over the hundreds year old hatred.. and the "harmless fun" and the "not really meaning it" bullshit. Once you've lived it, it takes on shades of innocence similar to McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Iran" - you might or might not consciously wish any ill to people born south of the border, but by perpetuating the joke, you perpetuate the moronic hatred.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 04, 2009, 09:38:33 PM
and then what really bugged me, and I wonder why no one jumped on that, is when Fiction Puss started comparing publishing a pic of a vandalized roadsign to publishing CHILD PORN
To be fair, I never did make a comparison like that. I'm not going to restate what I did say, since he was just an alt-troll and the clarification I was seeking was never going to exist anyway.
Sorry that it bugged you, but I think you must have been (understandably) skimming.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 09:43:46 PM
random punches to the face, death threats and a constant stream of bigotry and abuse are quite clear indications of this common belief
Exaggeration much? I know plenty of English people IRL who have never been randomly punched in the face (for that reason anyway).
Perhaps you're just a bit of a dick and instead of accepting that, you decided that people must hate you because you're English?
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 09:43:46 PM
Once you've lived it, it takes on shades of innocence similar to McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Iran" - you might or might not consciously wish any ill to people born south of the border, but by perpetuating the joke, you perpetuate the moronic hatred.
You watched Roots and thought it was about you, didn't you?
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 09:47:35 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 04, 2009, 09:38:33 PM
and then what really bugged me, and I wonder why no one jumped on that, is when Fiction Puss started comparing publishing a pic of a vandalized roadsign to publishing CHILD PORN
To be fair, I never did make a comparison like that. I'm not going to restate what I did say, since he was just an alt-troll and the clarification I was seeking was never going to exist anyway.
Sorry that it bugged you, but I think you must have been (understandably) skimming.
I dont care to look up the exact quotes right now, but afaicr you did it several times. So whatever.
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 10:00:36 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 09:43:46 PM
random punches to the face, death threats and a constant stream of bigotry and abuse are quite clear indications of this common belief
Exaggeration much? I know plenty of English people IRL who have never been randomly punched in the face (for that reason anyway).
Did they grow up in Barrhead during the 80's?
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 10:00:36 PM
Perhaps you're just a bit of a dick and instead of accepting that, you decided that people must hate you because you're English?
It's entirely possible that that's just an excuse they gave. Consistently. Upon first meeting me and hearing my accent.
It's just not very probable.Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 10:00:36 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 09:43:46 PM
Once you've lived it, it takes on shades of innocence similar to McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Iran" - you might or might not consciously wish any ill to people born south of the border, but by perpetuating the joke, you perpetuate the moronic hatred.
You watched Roots and thought it was about you, didn't you?
I don't get the reference. This? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075572/plotsummary)
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
Did they grow up in Barrhead during the 80's?
At least one of them grew up in Easterhouse in the 90s. I'd say that's about close enough.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
It's entirely possible that that's just an excuse they gave. Consistently. Upon first meeting me and hearing my accent.
I thought you moved to Scotland when you were six years old? How long did you keep your accent?
Or did some kid hit you in nursery class and you've been holding a grudge ever since?
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
I don't get the reference. This? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075572/plotsummary)
That's the one.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 04, 2009, 10:08:21 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 09:47:35 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 04, 2009, 09:38:33 PM
and then what really bugged me, and I wonder why no one jumped on that, is when Fiction Puss started comparing publishing a pic of a vandalized roadsign to publishing CHILD PORN
To be fair, I never did make a comparison like that. I'm not going to restate what I did say, since he was just an alt-troll and the clarification I was seeking was never going to exist anyway.
Sorry that it bugged you, but I think you must have been (understandably) skimming.
I dont care to look up the exact quotes right now, but afaicr you did it several times. So whatever.
So just a drive-by slur then?
what
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 10:13:36 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
Did they grow up in Barrhead during the 80's?
At least one of them grew up in Easterhouse in the 90s. I'd say that's about close enough.
And I'd say that you didn't live through the bigotry and violence that I did - you're using one anecdotal source to counteract mine, and you don't really know what the fuck you are talking about.
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 10:13:36 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
It's entirely possible that that's just an excuse they gave. Consistently. Upon first meeting me and hearing my accent.
I thought you moved to Scotland when you were six years old? How long did you keep your accent?
I still have traces of Liverpudlian. It didn't mix that well with Glaswegian. And I sound indescribably English.
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 10:13:36 PM
Or did some kid hit you in nursery class and you've been holding a grudge ever since?
Fuck you.
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 10:13:36 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
I don't get the reference. This? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075572/plotsummary)
That's the one.
Er no. And if you think I didn't learn to let constant insult and mockery wash over my back, then you're just as stupid as the bigoted motherfuckers who perpetuated it against me.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 04, 2009, 10:15:21 PM
what
- You said that I did something I didn't do.
- I point out that I didn't compare posting a roadsign picture to posting childporn.
- You don't provide the non-existent quotes, but reiterate your belief anyway instead of retracting it.
- I have nothing to defend against since you're providing no proof.
- The accusation stands, and since I'm a self-admitted douche, it prevails.
I have a lot of respect for you, but this does seem to fit the pattern of an effective drive-by slur, whether you mean to do it or not.
For the record, not only is it no longer mah birfday, this is not an alt. account. I'm all me, baby. just wanted to clear that up.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 10:23:51 PM
Er no. And if you think I didn't learn to let constant insult and mockery wash over my back, then you're just as stupid as the bigoted motherfuckers who perpetuated it against me.
I don't think exaggerating and complaining that the entire country is full of alcoholic bigots and violent racists all because a few idiots picked on you counts as letting it wash over your back. You practically accused me of being one of them all because of a joke.
But sure, I must also be an evil English-hating racist because I disagree with you. Me and my anti-English apartheid agenda, eh? Hopefully the civil rights movement will take notice of your plight someday.
Quote from: Pir Pariah on August 04, 2009, 09:40:39 PM
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 04, 2009, 09:05:44 PM
Here's an essay for Fictionpuss. It's an observation exercise from my English 1010 (Composition 1) class portfolio.
Unlike Fictionpuss, my essay does not answer any questions, and, I don't expect anyone to actually read it.
Proof
It was noisy when I arrived. For the most part, it was the kind of noise you would usually associate with a busy subway station: hundreds of shuffling feet, conversation, the occasional stranger yelling. Add to the already raucous audio assortment the sounds of people drinking; clinking glass, heavy bottom pint glasses slamming onto pressed particle board tables and laughter. You don't usually hear a lot of laughter waiting at the subway station. The people here are not waiting for a train but are waiting for something else to transport them, in an entirely different sense of the word. They are waiting to be elevated beyond their usual zone of comfort, beyond their bubble, where people keep to themselves and they recoil at the thought of interacting with strangers.
Drunken people do drunken things through every dingy corner of the venue. Unnecessary shouting is accompanied by people talking too close to each other, laughing at jokes that they won't remember in the morning. They crowd the bar, like little piglets trying to wedge themselves in to suckle on the teat of whatever taps are still pouring sudsy I.P.A.s and frothy stouts. The crowd does nothing but grow in size and in volume. Just like anything else, if you try to fill something past it's capacity, it's sure to burst or explode.
I am viewing this all from my own unique and specific vantage point. My vision, while filtered as if I were wearing a pair of thick, coke-bottle novelty glasses, is capable of looking into each person I see; from the over eager teenagers, whose anticipation makes them writhe like a burlap sack full of hyperactive puppies, to the somber looking table of older folk who, at the moment, seem unimpressed and uninspired, but will soon be participating in the melee. You can only feign disinterest for so long before your core reveals you.
I had observed from the platform that in the midst of recent renovations, the staging area was now a bit larger than I remembered it being previously, with a new drum riser and its own entry door stage left. Most of the new woodwork was left unpainted and bare, either to be finished later, or to be forgotten about entirely. Someone must have been confused, however, because they had found it okay to have placed a rather large, expensive looking flat screen television on the stage, beside the riser.
"That will end up broken," I said to myself out loud.
Five police officers invited themselves in, presumably, without paying the five dollar cover. Two of them must have thought they were ninjas, as they hid in the darkest corners, as the telltale red pinstripes and clean shining badges didn't give them away completely. I'm not sure why they came. They were either frightened that such a large group of people would be able to mobilize with a sense of solidarity so strong that they could overthrow the small town in a night (free speech is dangerous), or they really wanted to see the show.
All the noise and activity, while booming and dynamic, was nothing but a warm-up for what was to come. The noise would soon grow past a mere din and the crowd will become akin to a small, scaled down, time-lapsed model of the universe; bodies in motion moving in small orbits, and then smashing into each other with extreme force. There is no animosity in celestial bodies when they violently interact physically with each other; they all understand that that is just the way of the universe, and they accept it, as the people do here.
The bright lights, while illuminating me and my fellow colleagues, also blind us to any one standing any further than arms length away. As the crowd reaches critical mass it becomes more and more volatile. Soon it becomes clear to us that, if we do not start soon, the rabble might be so inclined to provide themselves with their own entertainment, potentially at our expense. We toy with this, deliberately wasting time telling jokes and speaking benignly about whichever current events we find to be humorous or relevant, as to bring the audience to the brink of anticipation. I am signaled by my guitarist by a brief glance, unnoticed by the crowd, that the time is now. Unexpectedly, we initiate our sneak attack with a blitzkrieg of sound and fury.
The next forty-five minutes are a blur. The air becomes hot and moist with sweat. The thickened air is difficult to breathe. The floor becomes slick and gritty with tracked in dirt and broken glass. The music is too loud to hear, but nobody cares. The miniature model of the universe has been set into motion. In a massive tidal wave of human forms I received a violent blow to the face. I felt the microphone's metal screening breach the integrity of my lip, releasing the red connective tissue that most of us like to keep inside of ourselves. The blood tasted like copper pennies. I didn't stop. I couldn't if I had wanted to. How could one stop an avalanche or a land slide once initiated? I was no longer in charge. I was no longer the focus. I was doing what I had set out to do; channel the chaotic spirit of the universe and instill it into the crowd. They may have not even been aware of it consciously, and even if they were aware, this was hardly the time to become analytical. The people are here to validate their own existence. The pain proves you are real; that you are still alive.
TL;DR
Perchance, Do you go by the name Dead Kennedy?
TL;DR version:
Punching people helps them reaffirm there existence. An no to the DK thing.
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 11:10:01 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 10:23:51 PM
Er no. And if you think I didn't learn to let constant insult and mockery wash over my back, then you're just as stupid as the bigoted motherfuckers who perpetuated it against me.
I don't think exaggerating and complaining that the entire country is full of alcoholic bigots and violent racists all because a few idiots picked on you counts as letting it wash over your back. You practically accused me of being one of them all because of a joke.
Well look, I also hold every Celtic or Rangers supporter, or anyone who even watches the games as being directly responsible for Old Firm violence. I hold every Bush voter responsible for what happened during his Presidency.
Because in the end, there is no one else to blame but the meme itself. And that's boring.
While you uphold the "it's just a joke meme", I'll continue to hold you partially responsible for the actual hatred and bigotry that inevitably results from it.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 11:46:55 PM
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 11:10:01 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 10:23:51 PM
Er no. And if you think I didn't learn to let constant insult and mockery wash over my back, then you're just as stupid as the bigoted motherfuckers who perpetuated it against me.
I don't think exaggerating and complaining that the entire country is full of alcoholic bigots and violent racists all because a few idiots picked on you counts as letting it wash over your back. You practically accused me of being one of them all because of a joke.
Well look, I also hold every Celtic or Rangers supporter, or anyone who even watches the games as being directly responsible for Old Firm violence. I hold every Bush voter responsible for what happened during his Presidency.
Because in the end, there is no one else to blame but the meme itself. And that's boring.
While you uphold the "it's just a joke meme", I'll continue to hold you partially responsible for the actual hatred and bigotry that inevitably results from it.
Now hold on a minute.
I've had to live in Scotland as a foreigner, and school
was hell. I was bullied relentlessly from almost the minute I walked through the doors to the moment I walked out of them again six years later. I had some friends but was, for want of a better way to phrase it, a complete loner for much of the time. I could never get any interest from girls, and yes, all of this does even now have an effect on me. I would be lying if I said it didn't.
Do I go on to say that everyone in Scotland is rabid nationalist, ready to rip my head off for no reason what so ever? No, I don't. That kind of statement is far too close to the reasoning my tormentors had for the way I was treated. Fuck that. I
do still hate people on Scotland, but only for things that they are actually responsible for - same as any other so-called-human on this god damned rock.
I hate football. I hate watching it, I hate people talking about, I hate the obscene amounts of money involved in it and I hate how it often seems that almost everything is this country revolves around it. Do I blame some five year old kid (like my nephew) who is excited to see Celtic play Rangers for the almost inevitable scuffles and verbal abuse that break out after every game and the hideous sectarian abuse? No, I don't. He's just a kid indulging in some entertainment. To say that any of this is his fault, or will be in the future when he grows up, is the grossest misuse of the broad brush treatment.
Do I then go on to assume that we should label every single Canadian as a Harper, ready to prorogue parliament to cling on to power as long as possible coming across as highly undemocratic and worthy of the greatest mistrust? No, I don't. How about every American as a miniature G.H.W.B.?
I could go on to describe in part how this kind of sentiment is created and fostered in Scotland. I could quote history and cite the highly profitable entertainment products (like
Braveheart) and I could get into social, economic and political factors. But I won't. You can see exactly the same forces at work where ever you are if you just look for them. Some of this shit is deadly fucking serious, and is a fundamental part of what it is to BE Scottish. Making a joke of something serious is what I, as a Discordian,
do.
In short, get your head out of ass, lighten up and move the fuck on.
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Do I go on to say that everyone in Scotland is rabid nationalist, ready to rip my head off for no reason what so ever? No, I don't.
Me either. But I will speak up when I see people using the same old stereotypes which keep the fires of intolerance burning.
QuoteDo I blame some five year old kid (like my nephew) who is excited to see Celtic play Rangers for the almost inevitable scuffles and verbal abuse that break out after every game and the hideous sectarian abuse?
Of course not. A five year old kid is victim to his environment. But where do you draw the line and say "hey - now you're given responsibility for your part in upholding this hatred" - 16? 21? Never?
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You can see exactly the same forces at work where ever you are if you just look for them. Some of this shit is deadly fucking serious, and is a fundamental part of what it is to BE Scottish.
Precisely. I only have good experience of how it works in Scotland though. I can't dissect how it works in other places. Is that a good reason to stay quiet?
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Making a joke of something serious is what I, as a Discordian, do.
And I, as me, will continue trying to highlight this form of intolerance - direct or indirect - when I see it. I don't think most Scots really ever think about this stuff, or how the consequences of their actions form a collective, tangible, hate.
QuoteIn short, get your head out of ass, lighten up and move the fuck on.
I am actually pretty light about this. All the real bastards from my childhood and teens are in and out of (but mostly in) jail now. The funny part is that if they had just accepted me, then I would most likely be sharing in their shit lives. In these circumstances, it's hard to hold a grudge since they motivated me to escape the bullshit.
There does seem to be a double standard here though. I mean where do you draw the line between what I describe and:
- Telling racist jokes, but not actually putting the boot in?
- Telling sexist/homophobic jokes?
- Enabling the above by keeping quiet when you witness it?
Am I completely out of line here? I find it hard to believe that anyone who has ever experienced any kind of prejudice would advocate onlookers to just look the other way and keep your mouth shut. Unless they've already let the fuckers win a long time ago.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:42:01 AM
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Do I go on to say that everyone in Scotland is rabid nationalist, ready to rip my head off for no reason what so ever? No, I don't.
Me either. But I will speak up when I see people using the same old stereotypes which keep the fires of intolerance burning.
QuoteDo I blame some five year old kid (like my nephew) who is excited to see Celtic play Rangers for the almost inevitable scuffles and verbal abuse that break out after every game and the hideous sectarian abuse?
Of course not. A five year old kid is victim to his environment. But where do you draw the line and say "hey - now you're given responsibility for your part in upholding this hatred" - 16? 21? Never?
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You can see exactly the same forces at work where ever you are if you just look for them. Some of this shit is deadly fucking serious, and is a fundamental part of what it is to BE Scottish.
Precisely. I only have good experience of how it works in Scotland though. I can't dissect how it works in other places. Is that a good reason to stay quiet?
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Making a joke of something serious is what I, as a Discordian, do.
And I, as me, will continue trying to highlight this form of intolerance - direct or indirect - when I see it. I don't think most Scots really ever think about this stuff, or how the consequences of their actions form a collective, tangible, hate.
QuoteIn short, get your head out of ass, lighten up and move the fuck on.
I am actually pretty light about this. All the real bastards from my childhood and teens are in and out of (but mostly in) jail now. The funny part is that if they had just accepted me, then I would most likely be sharing in their shit lives. In these circumstances, it's hard to hold a grudge since they motivated me to escape the bullshit.
There does seem to be a double standard here though. I mean where do you draw the line between what I describe and:
- Telling racist jokes, but not actually putting the boot in?
- Telling sexist/homophobic jokes?
- Enabling the above by keeping quiet when you witness it?
Am I completely out of line here? I find it hard to believe that anyone who has ever experienced any kind of prejudice would advocate onlookers to just look the other way and keep your mouth shut. Unless they've already let the fuckers win a long time ago.
funny thing i drew the line at the point where you asked "where do you draw the line" and read no further
Quote from: fomenter on August 05, 2009, 02:48:34 AM
funny thing i drew the line at the point where you asked "where do you draw the line" and read no further
Hardly surprising considering your demonstrated motivations towards me.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 09:43:46 PM
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 05:07:07 PMI was born in England
I'm pretty sure you can't get any less Scottish than that.
Tell me about it. But since I grew up and spent the worst 26 years of my life there, I consider myself from Scotland, but not Scottish. Thankfully.
Well as long as you understand that as long as you were born in England, to us you're about as English as Vinnie Jones dressed as the Queen while morris dancing and drinking tea (other than Scottish Blend, obviously).
Yeah - random punches to the face, death threats and a constant stream of bigotry and abuse are quite clear indications of this common belief. Never did find out what was so special about being Scottish, apart from a naturally violent inclination towards the English. The best parts of Scotland I ever found was in the countryside, but that's only because it was virtually empty as everyone else was down the pub getting pissed and telling jokes about how everything is the fault of The English.
And then you have Hogmanay, and the sugar sweet coating over the hundreds year old hatred.. and the "harmless fun" and the "not really meaning it" bullshit. Once you've lived it, it takes on shades of innocence similar to McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Iran" - you might or might not consciously wish any ill to people born south of the border, but by perpetuating the joke, you perpetuate the moronic hatred.
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Quote from: fomenter on August 05, 2009, 02:48:34 AM
funny thing i drew the line at the point where you asked "where do you draw the line" and read no further
Hardly surprising considering your demonstrated motivations towards me.
no its hardly surprising since i read 5 pages of your repetitively asking the same stupid question already :argh!:
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Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:42:01 AM
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Do I go on to say that everyone in Scotland is rabid nationalist, ready to rip my head off for no reason what so ever? No, I don't.
Me either. But I will speak up when I see people using the same old stereotypes which keep the fires of intolerance burning.
Nice prose. Essentially meaningless though. I tend to get more pissed off at the education system for not doing more to do some actual educating. The travesty we call
Braveheart, for example, has become in some places the accepted history. If I see someone in person acting like a bigot I will call them on it and take their education into my own hands. I seldom have to do this because Scotland is in no way as bad as you are painting it.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:42:01 AM
QuoteDo I blame some five year old kid (like my nephew) who is excited to see Celtic play Rangers for the almost inevitable scuffles and verbal abuse that break out after every game and the hideous sectarian abuse?
Of course not. A five year old kid is victim to his environment. But where do you draw the line and say "hey - now you're given responsibility for your part in upholding this hatred" - 16? 21? Never?
When they actually do something to uphold that hatred. Like knife an opposing fan, or chanting sectarian slogans. We have laws to cover that btw, and in most cases now the really big penalty these morons receive is from their home clubs who can and will bar them from ever entering the grounds. I'm not going to say that everyone is responsible for the hatred. Everyone does however have a part to play in stopping it, and steps are certainly being taken in that direction.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:42:01 AM
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You can see exactly the same forces at work where ever you are if you just look for them. Some of this shit is deadly fucking serious, and is a fundamental part of what it is to BE Scottish.
Precisely. I only have good experience of how it works in Scotland though. I can't dissect how it works in other places. Is that a good reason to stay quiet?
You have good experience of how it worked
FOR YOU in Scotland. Twenty fucking years ago. You're still speaking from ignorance and that ignorance is a good reason to stay quiet (unless you're asking questions instead of making broad statements).
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:42:01 AM
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Making a joke of something serious is what I, as a Discordian, do.
And I, as me, will continue trying to highlight this form of intolerance - direct or indirect - when I see it. I don't think most Scots really ever think about this stuff, or how the consequences of their actions form a collective, tangible, hate.
There you go again with the broad brush strokes. Of course, we're all barbaric racist nationalists who can't see past the strip of whatever club we support, so it's no surprise we can't think for ourselves or take actions of our own against hooliganism, sectarianism and racism. No! It's true! Every single person in Scotland really IS like that, and has been ever since the Act of Union.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:42:01 AM
QuoteIn short, get your head out of ass, lighten up and move the fuck on.
I am actually pretty light about this. All the real bastards from my childhood and teens are in and out of (but mostly in) jail now. The funny part is that if they had just accepted me, then I would most likely be sharing in their shit lives. In these circumstances, it's hard to hold a grudge since they motivated me to escape the bullshit.
Well, good for you, I guess. Being able to actually get out of the social and economic mess that is west central Scotland may have played a part in that though.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:42:01 AM
There does seem to be a double standard here though. I mean where do you draw the line between what I describe and:
- Telling racist jokes, but not actually putting the boot in?
- Telling sexist/homophobic jokes?
- Enabling the above by keeping quiet when you witness it?
You're obsessed with drawing fucking lines, aren't you? There is a context to every joke, and a context to every insult. This is not a black and white pre-planned policy friendly area. If I see a bunch of kids harassing a guy for being English, crowding around him and threatening him I will step in. Do I make English jokes? Yes, I do. Am I hypocrite? Possibly, but I don't go out of my way to demean people. And for every English joke I make, I make one about Scotland or wherever else too. The same applies to sexism and homophobia, and everything is dealt with on a case by case basis as it comes.
Hell, the last three years of Discordian meet-ups in Edinburgh we've said we were going to invade England as a Third Jacobite Rebellion to get rid of the "German" monarchy of the Windsors. The joke here being, of course, that the current head of the House of Stewart is in fact German. Even beyond that, we had an Englishman come up for last years one, from Birkenhead. He didn't get punched in the face once, Liverpool accent or no, and was in fact one of the best additions we could've had to our little group.
As for keeping quiet, you have to say sometimes for most people it's very hard to wade into a group of violent idiots spouting vitriolic bile. It's not conducive to a long and healthy life. I don't think that people think of looking after themselves as "enabling" hatred. They just don't want to get stabbed or escalate matters.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:42:01 AM
Am I completely out of line here? I find it hard to believe that anyone who has ever experienced any kind of prejudice would advocate onlookers to just look the other way and keep your mouth shut. Unless they've already let the fuckers win a long time ago.
I never advocated people looking the other way, and I never advocated keeping your mouth shut. Where the fuck did you get THAT from? Oh, you've already got me painted as an epic asshole who is like the guy that punched you in the face. Except I'm worse cause I'm not
really one of them, I just make excuses for them. Something like that? Fuck you.
No one has "won" anything against me, and I certainly haven't "lost" anything.
You know I could go through the 6 pages of DK like five paragraph essays nitpicking what's wrong with the other persons that I missed
ORI can just ask
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 03:19:11 AM
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Quote from: Pir Pariah on August 05, 2009, 03:25:21 AM
You know I could go through the 6 pages of DK like five paragraph essays nitpicking what's wrong with the other persons that I missed
OR
I can just ask
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 03:19:11 AM
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Yes, perhaps so.
I have an educational syndrome which I rapidly feel is misplaced with this bigoted troll in contrite clothing and his tales of victimisation.
Quote from: Payne on August 05, 2009, 03:50:07 AM
Yes, perhaps so.
I have an educational syndrome which I rapidly feel is misplaced with this bigoted troll in contrite clothing and his tales of victimisation.
:lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: fomenter on August 05, 2009, 03:21:21 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 03:14:08 AM
Quote from: fomenter on August 05, 2009, 02:48:34 AM
funny thing i drew the line at the point where you asked "where do you draw the line" and read no further
Hardly surprising considering your demonstrated motivations towards me.
no its hardly surprising since i read 5 pages of your repetitively asking the same stupid question already :argh!:
Fair enough. Point taken.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 06:56:00 PM
Do you have an owl for every occasion?
Damn straight I do! Owl Cabal's got owls and balls mother fucker!
You got a problem with it, bitch?
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ALSO:Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 10:31:08 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 04, 2009, 10:15:21 PM
what
- You said that I did something I didn't do.
- I point out that I didn't compare posting a roadsign picture to posting childporn.
- You don't provide the non-existent quotes, but reiterate your belief anyway instead of retracting it.
- I have nothing to defend against since you're providing no proof.
- The accusation stands, and since I'm a self-admitted douche, it prevails.
I have a lot of respect for you, but this does seem to fit the pattern of an effective drive-by slur, whether you mean to do it or not.
Ehem:
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 02, 2009, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 02, 2009, 05:04:00 PM
I told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site, so if you want to go on a tirade find the guy who posted that and get emotional with him. Welcome to the internet, things may get offensive. Now that that's done, it is also nice to meet you.
And if a contributor advocates for a change in law with regards abolishing the age of consent while making it clear that they don't respect that law in their personal life?
You can play the "free speech" and "internet" cards if you wish, but if you don't make your personal stand clear than people will assume the worst from whom you choose to associate with.
You're also not going to allow something to be published which is going to get you in trouble with National Security services, because shits'n'giggles isn't worth it, and I can repost something from wikileaks if you want to test that theory.
You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?
ALSO ALSO: Fictionpuss is Uncle BadTouch and Dimo1138 is Daruko.
GAME OVER BITCHES!
Summary: This is an issue for me. This is one of the rare causes that I'll instinctively frame into you're-either-with-us-or-against-us. I'm not likely to budge, and I don't expect to convince you either.
Quote from: Payne on August 05, 2009, 03:25:04 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:42:01 AM
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Do I go on to say that everyone in Scotland is rabid nationalist, ready to rip my head off for no reason what so ever? No, I don't.
Me either. But I will speak up when I see people using the same old stereotypes which keep the fires of intolerance burning.
Nice prose. Essentially meaningless though. I tend to get more pissed off at the education system for not doing more to do some actual educating. The travesty we call Braveheart, for example, has become in some places the accepted history. If I see someone in person acting like a bigot I will call them on it and take their education into my own hands. I seldom have to do this because Scotland is in no way as bad as you are painting it.
If you're one of the people who would tell anti-English jokes in Scotland, and don't see anything damaging about that, then I don't expect you to see Scotland in the way I do.
Quote from: Payne on August 05, 2009, 03:25:04 AM
When they actually do something to uphold that hatred. Like knife an opposing fan, or chanting sectarian slogans. We have laws to cover that btw, and in most cases now the really big penalty these morons receive is from their home clubs who can and will bar them from ever entering the grounds. I'm not going to say that everyone is responsible for the hatred. Everyone does however have a part to play in stopping it, and steps are certainly being taken in that direction.
I don't understand the distinction. If everyone has a part to play in stopping it, and someone doesn't play their part, how are they not partly responsible for the hatred which continues? Seriously, I don't understand that logic.
Quote from: Payne on August 05, 2009, 03:25:04 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:42:01 AM
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You can see exactly the same forces at work where ever you are if you just look for them. Some of this shit is deadly fucking serious, and is a fundamental part of what it is to BE Scottish.
Precisely. I only have good experience of how it works in Scotland though. I can't dissect how it works in other places. Is that a good reason to stay quiet?
You have good experience of how it worked FOR YOU in Scotland. Twenty fucking years ago. You're still speaking from ignorance and that ignorance is a good reason to stay quiet (unless you're asking questions instead of making broad statements).
I was living there until quite recently. Yes, my personal experiences gave me a motivation to try to understand what the fuck was happening, and I took my observations over 26 years and noted the ways in which the "good natured rivalry" and banter feed into something more ugly. In what way is this ignorance?
Quote from: Payne on August 05, 2009, 03:25:04 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:42:01 AM
There does seem to be a double standard here though. I mean where do you draw the line between what I describe and:
- Telling racist jokes, but not actually putting the boot in?
- Telling sexist/homophobic jokes?
- Enabling the above by keeping quiet when you witness it?
You're obsessed with drawing fucking lines, aren't you? There is a context to every joke, and a context to every insult. This is not a black and white pre-planned policy friendly area. If I see a bunch of kids harassing a guy for being English, crowding around him and threatening him I will step in. Do I make English jokes? Yes, I do. Am I hypocrite? Possibly, but I don't go out of my way to demean people. And for every English joke I make, I make one about Scotland or wherever else too. The same applies to sexism and homophobia, and everything is dealt with on a case by case basis as it comes.
This seems like a cop-out to me.
No. Yes. Maybe. I understand your point.
Again, it's not an issue to you, so you can step all over my neat lines if you wish.
Quote from: Payne on August 05, 2009, 03:25:04 AM
Hell, the last three years of Discordian meet-ups in Edinburgh we've said we were going to invade England as a Third Jacobite Rebellion to get rid of the "German" monarchy of the Windsors. The joke here being, of course, that the current head of the House of Stewart is in fact German. Even beyond that, we had an Englishman come up for last years one, from Birkenhead. He didn't get punched in the face once, Liverpool accent or no, and was in fact one of the best additions we could've had to our little group.
Once I hit university all of the violence stopped, and all that was left was just the usual pretensions. Once I hit the Scottish software development workforce, which is a lot more mixed, it was virtually gone.
Quote from: Payne on August 05, 2009, 03:25:04 AM
As for keeping quiet, you have to say sometimes for most people it's very hard to wade into a group of violent idiots spouting vitriolic bile. It's not conducive to a long and healthy life. I don't think that people think of looking after themselves as "enabling" hatred. They just don't want to get stabbed or escalate matters.
No - I really was thinking more along the lines of saying "I don't think that anti-English joke is acceptable" during polite conversation, which is generally more difficult than fisticuffs.
Quote from: Payne on August 05, 2009, 03:25:04 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:42:01 AM
Am I completely out of line here? I find it hard to believe that anyone who has ever experienced any kind of prejudice would advocate onlookers to just look the other way and keep your mouth shut. Unless they've already let the fuckers win a long time ago.
I never advocated people looking the other way, and I never advocated keeping your mouth shut. Where the fuck did you get THAT from? Oh, you've already got me painted as an epic asshole who is like the guy that punched you in the face. Except I'm worse cause I'm not really one of them, I just make excuses for them. Something like that? Fuck you.
No one has "won" anything against me, and I certainly haven't "lost" anything.
Er no. I wasn't talking about you. I did literally mean
anyone. I did wonder if you'd take it personally later, but I wasn't able to get back to a computer in time to make the edit - sorry.
Note: Scotland owns the fuck out of England. England invented "getting killed in stupid ways", and Scotland invented HAGGIS.
Fucking England. Stop fucking about, and make some real food.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 05:18:46 AM
Note: Scotland owns the fuck out of England. England invented "getting killed in stupid ways", and Scotland invented HAGGIS.
Fucking England. Stop fucking about, and make some real food.
Didja hear about the cookbook in the 17th century from England that had Haggis in it? The Scots are all up in arms about it, claiming that since it was written during King James I's time, it was clearly the Scot King's recipe. :lulz:
/threadjack
Maybe I'm wrong.
Fictionpuss could be DK.
Quote from: Squid on August 05, 2009, 04:38:27 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 06:56:00 PM
Do you have an owl for every occasion?
Damn straight I do! Owl Cabal's got owls and balls mother fucker!
You got a problem with it, bitch?
Actually no. I thought it was pretty neat. I never thought of owls as being so expressive before. That's all.
Quote from: Squid on August 05, 2009, 04:38:27 AM
Ehem:
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 02, 2009, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 02, 2009, 05:04:00 PM
I told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site, so if you want to go on a tirade find the guy who posted that and get emotional with him. Welcome to the internet, things may get offensive. Now that that's done, it is also nice to meet you.
And if a contributor advocates for a change in law with regards abolishing the age of consent while making it clear that they don't respect that law in their personal life?
You can play the "free speech" and "internet" cards if you wish, but if you don't make your personal stand clear than people will assume the worst from whom you choose to associate with.
You're also not going to allow something to be published which is going to get you in trouble with National Security services, because shits'n'giggles isn't worth it, and I can repost something from wikileaks if you want to test that theory.
You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?
First up - simply bringing the age of consent issue is not the same thing as me "comparing publishing a pic of a vandalized roadsign to publishing CHILD PORN".
Dimo was stating that he would apply no editorial control to his contributions. I thought that was a cop-out, so I picked the first example I could think of where you might want to apply some editorial control.
I was calling out his BS, not saying that his current actions were in any way comparable to actions he hadn't even come close to performing.
So no. Nice try though.
Quote from: Squid on August 05, 2009, 04:38:27 AM
ALSO ALSO: Fictionpuss is Uncle BadTouch and Dimo1138 is Daruko.
GAME OVER BITCHES!
WTF now?
Do you seriously believe that? Cause this is just the sort of thing that I'll chew upon like a dog on a bone until you retract that, or we're all dead but thoroughly pissed off at the pointlessly long fight. Whichever comes first. I'm game because I know I'm right. You really want to hand me an easy chance to be righteously smug after defending against a false accusation?
Quote from: Squid on August 05, 2009, 05:29:42 AM
Maybe I'm wrong.
Fictionpuss could be DK.
I'm kinda thinking not.
I'm thinking Dimo ---> One of Uncle BadTouch's buddies.
I'm thinking Fictionpuss ---> The next same as the last 10.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:30:57 AM
Do you seriously believe that? Cause this is just the sort of thing that I'll chew upon like a dog on a bone until you retract that, or we're all dead but thoroughly pissed off at the pointlessly long fight. Whichever comes first. I'm game because I know I'm right. You really want to hand me an easy chance to be righteously smug after defending against a false accusation?
You fucking idiot, you're talking to SQUID. You think she's going to be intimidated by some emo kid with a whiny little attitude?
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 05:18:46 AM
Note: Scotland owns the fuck out of England. England invented "getting killed in stupid ways", and Scotland invented HAGGIS.
Fucking England. Stop fucking about, and make some real food.
As near as I can tell England has got its own fucked up assholes and memes. The major reason I settled on Canada is because it has so little* history as to be genuinely charming.
* - relatively speaking, compared to the UK, of course.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
It's o.k. Roger. Obviously his pussy hurts and he needs a Pamprin.
And now I might just argue that he's Uncle BadTouch, just to watch him die in longfight or something
or SOMETHING
:lulz:
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:36:29 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 05:18:46 AM
Note: Scotland owns the fuck out of England. England invented "getting killed in stupid ways", and Scotland invented HAGGIS.
Fucking England. Stop fucking about, and make some real food.
As near as I can tell England has got its own fucked up assholes and memes. The major reason I settled on Canada is because it has so little* history as to be genuinely charming.
* - relatively speaking, compared to the UK, of course.
What?
Fuck you.
Quote from: Squid on August 05, 2009, 05:36:58 AM
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
It's o.k. Roger. Obviously his pussy hurts and he needs a Pamprin.
And now I might just argue that he's Uncle BadTouch, just to watch him die in longfight or something
or SOMETHING
:lulz:
This isn't gonna end well, is it?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 05:32:41 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:30:57 AM
Do you seriously believe that? Cause this is just the sort of thing that I'll chew upon like a dog on a bone until you retract that, or we're all dead but thoroughly pissed off at the pointlessly long fight. Whichever comes first. I'm game because I know I'm right. You really want to hand me an easy chance to be righteously smug after defending against a false accusation?
You fucking idiot, you're talking to SQUID. You think she's going to be intimidated by some emo kid with a whiny little attitude?
:lulz:
I'm not trying to intimidate anyone. But I'm quite sure everyone is tired of me doggedly defending myself against attacks I perceive as being baseless.
Someone calls me a pedo and I'm not going to ignore that bone. It's quite the shittiest thing to call anyone without proof.
I retract nothing sockfucker!
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 05:37:10 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:36:29 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 05:18:46 AM
Note: Scotland owns the fuck out of England. England invented "getting killed in stupid ways", and Scotland invented HAGGIS.
Fucking England. Stop fucking about, and make some real food.
As near as I can tell England has got its own fucked up assholes and memes. The major reason I settled on Canada is because it has so little* history as to be genuinely charming.
* - relatively speaking, compared to the UK, of course.
What?
Fuck you.
Are you saying that Canada is not blessed because it has less of a fucked up history, or are you just saying fuck you?
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:40:22 AM
I'm not trying to intimidate anyone. But I'm quite sure everyone is tired of me doggedly defending myself against attacks I perceive as being baseless.
Not really. :lulz:
But if
you're tired of it, well...
stop.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:40:22 AM
Someone calls me a pedo and I'm not going to ignore that bone. It's quite the shittiest thing to call anyone without proof.
You should probably advertise your levers a bit more. Know what I'm saying?
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:43:18 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 05:37:10 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:36:29 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 05:18:46 AM
Note: Scotland owns the fuck out of England. England invented "getting killed in stupid ways", and Scotland invented HAGGIS.
Fucking England. Stop fucking about, and make some real food.
As near as I can tell England has got its own fucked up assholes and memes. The major reason I settled on Canada is because it has so little* history as to be genuinely charming.
* - relatively speaking, compared to the UK, of course.
What?
Fuck you.
Are you saying that Canada is not blessed because it has less of a fucked up history, or are you just saying fuck you?
YEAH!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 05:43:31 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:40:22 AM
I'm not trying to intimidate anyone. But I'm quite sure everyone is tired of me doggedly defending myself against attacks I perceive as being baseless.
Not really. :lulz:
But if you're tired of it, well...stop.
Good advice. Again. Thanks.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 05:43:31 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:40:22 AM
Someone calls me a pedo and I'm not going to ignore that bone. It's quite the shittiest thing to call anyone without proof.
You should probably advertise your levers a bit more. Know what I'm saying?
I know what you're saying. But I also know that muddying the waters by throwing around baseless "pedo" accusations just for fun, when it's obviously just for fun, dulls the impact of the word. Makes it easier for people like Uncle BadTouch to walk among us.
I'm willing to bet that fucking with me is just not worth it.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:51:13 AM
I know what you're saying. But I also know that muddying the waters by throwing around baseless "pedo" accusations just for fun, when it's obviously just for fun, dulls the impact of the word. Makes it easier for people like Uncle BadTouch to walk among us.
I'm willing to bet that fucking with me is just not worth it.
no it doesn't
yes it is..
You TRY to help. You say, "HEY, KID! GET YOUR ARM OUT OF THAT PIRANHA TANK!", or "DO NOT TAUNT HAPPY FUN SQUID!"
But they never listen.
nope they never do..
wrong.
this is just an internet forum.
you are just one spag.
calling you Uncle BadTouch or dk means absolutely fucking nothing.
it does not "dull the impact of the world". that's just you trying to play the victim and make me seem like i'm ruining the world for calling you Uncle BadTouch.
get over yourself, quit being a fucking butt horn, add something useful or prepare to be ridiculed ya shitneck fuckbucket.
Also: I'm beginning to think he's DK
his replies take forever
Quote from: Squid on August 05, 2009, 05:58:52 AM
Also: I'm beginning to think he's DK
his replies take forever
Was just thinking that.
AND I HAD KIMCHEE FOR LUNCH!!
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KEEP TAUNTING BUTTHORN!!
i am hoping he is arafelis my self, i have a collection of his bad Emo poetry just waiting for him to come back
Quote from: fomenter on August 05, 2009, 06:09:17 AM
i am hoping he is arafelis my self, i have a collection of his bad Emo poetry just waiting for him to come back
I totally forgot about that little shit. :lulz:
Dude!
You might be right!
:lulz:
Quote from: fomenter on August 05, 2009, 06:09:17 AM
i am hoping he is arafelis my self, i have a collection of his bad Emo poetry just waiting for him to come back
I totally forgot about that little shit. :lulz:
a second rate pompous ass, but we are a tough audience we have seen so many.. :lulz:
Could just be a new idiot...
personally from what I read I hope it's not one of those people
those people use to have standards
Only a pedo, drunk driving advocate would hate Scotland in the way fictionpuss does.
Quote from: Cain on August 05, 2009, 07:12:03 AM
Only a pedo, drunk driving advocate would hate Scotland in the way fictionpuss does.
Dude. C'mon now.
You're gonna muddy the waters by throwing around baseless "pedo" accusations just for fun, when it's obviously just for fun, and dull the impact of the word. Making it easier for people like Uncle BadTouch to walk among us.
Aren't you willing to bet that fucking with fictionpuss is just not worth it.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Did you sees what I do there
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i see what you did there but where would you draw the line? would you would mock a socially handicapped person that way? or a mentally retarded one? what if they were both mentally and socially retarded and they were suffering from traumas caused by Scottish ass whoopings? would you draw the line there ?
Quote from: fomenter on August 05, 2009, 08:00:04 AM
i see what you did there but where would you draw the line? would you would mock a socially handicapped person that way? or a mentally retarded one? what if they were both mentally and socially retarded and they were suffering from traumas caused by Scottish ass whoopings? would you draw the line there ?
:barstool:
I gave up on reasoning with this guy when he confirmed in no uncertain terms that he really does think I'm a violent racist bigot who would punch him in the face just for being English.
Also, he has pretty much confirmed that he is just a bit of a dick, so it's quite possible that those random face-punchings happened because of that and not because of his accent.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 08:09:20 AM
:barstool:
Why does every retarded troll on PD.com have to misuse the barstool?
I spent 4 years in Scotland, and I only got punched in the face if I asked nicely. And that was in Ju-jitsu, so I was paying for it. In Scotland, I could walk around drunk at 3am in the morning without worrying about anything except one of the rugby team tackling me on the beach, and falling into the freezing cold North Sea. The fuckers.
Quote from: fomenter on August 05, 2009, 08:00:04 AM
i see what you did there but where would you draw the line? would you would mock a socially handicapped person that way? or a mentally retarded one? what if they were both mentally and socially retarded and they were suffering from traumas caused by Scottish ass whoopings? would you draw the line there ?
I would draw a line vertically along their head, so they would try to follow my finger and fall over backwards.
Cain,
easily amused.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 10:31:08 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 04, 2009, 10:15:21 PM
what
- You said that I did something I didn't do.
- I point out that I didn't compare posting a roadsign picture to posting childporn.
- You don't provide the non-existent quotes, but reiterate your belief anyway instead of retracting it.
- I have nothing to defend against since you're providing no proof.
- The accusation stands, and since I'm a self-admitted douche, it prevails.
I have a lot of respect for you, but this does seem to fit the pattern of an effective drive-by slur, whether you mean to do it or not.
*sigh*
no it's not, cause I did look up the quotes and ZOMG you did do what I said
Quote from: fictionpussQuote from: DimoI told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site, so if you want to go on a tirade find the guy who posted that and get emotional with him. Welcome to the internet, things may get offensive. Now that that's done, it is also nice to meet you.
Then you said: And if a contributor advocates for a change in law with regards abolishing the age of consent while making it clear that they don't respect that law in their personal life?
now Dimo was talking about not going to censor a defaced roadsign picture, and you exaggerate this into not censoring veiled pedophilia, for--from what I can tell--no other reason than hyperbole in order to win an argument (the very first trick in the book (http://coolhaus.de/art-of-controversy/erist01.htm)). you did this at least one more time (forgive me if I really dont care enough to look up the quote)
so yeah, you did compare the two. and I thought it was a bit out of line and it kinda went downhill from there with you keeping hammering on i dunno, what really?
hint, if you wanna pull off the hyperbole argument strategy, try being more subtle. exaggerate just a tiny bit from what was originally said. it makes people more likely to, you know, actually pay attention and credit to what you say. the other way is obvious satire, but as long as you're being such a self-admitted douche, you can simply forget about that.
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Quote from: Payne on August 05, 2009, 03:25:04 AMEven beyond that, we had an Englishman come up for last years one, from Birkenhead. He didn't get punched in the face once, Liverpool accent or no, and was in fact one of the best additions we could've had to our little group.
granted, that could have changed if we would have been able to understand a fucking word of what he said.
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 05, 2009, 10:25:00 AM
I gave up on reasoning with this guy when he confirmed in no uncertain terms that he really does think I'm a violent racist bigot who would punch him in the face just for being English.
I don't think that at all. I do believe that telling an anti-English joke is part of the problem in the cycle of violence. How do you extract
your meaning from what I said?
Many of my best friends are Scottish. We've had similar conversations in person and no face-punching or contrived misunderstandings took place.
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 05, 2009, 10:25:00 AM
Also, he has pretty much confirmed that he is just a bit of a dick, so it's quite possible that those random face-punchings happened because of that and not because of his accent.
You made that poor joke earlier. And I explained that I would sometimes experience violence after just opening my mouth for the first time, before I'd had time to communicate my dickishness.
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 05, 2009, 10:25:00 AM
Why does every retarded troll on PD.com have to misuse the barstool?
How did I misuse it? It's for cutting through the crap, no?
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:30:57 AM
Quote from: Squid on August 05, 2009, 04:38:27 AM
ALSO ALSO: Fictionpuss is Uncle BadTouch and Dimo1138 is Daruko.
GAME OVER BITCHES!
WTF now?
Do you seriously believe that? Cause this is just the sort of thing that I'll chew upon like a dog on a bone until you retract that, or we're all dead but thoroughly pissed off at the pointlessly long fight. Whichever comes first. I'm game because I know I'm right. You really want to hand me an easy chance to be righteously smug after defending against a false accusation?
Yeah okay, but come on, Wade, you're no longer fooling anyone anymore, so fess up you Canadian prick.
Ficpuss: A large area of what is commonly known as "humor" consists mainly of the degredation or insulting of a particular person, group, ethnicity, or geography.
To deny this is to deny part of what makes us human.
Chapter 5
Life is unfair, wear a helmet.
The wise spag wears a helmet, but also drops hammers.
Anything could be a punchline.
Even the wise spag gets punched.
Chaos never ends!
Even its vacuum has a presence.
To struggle against it,
Is like pissing in the wind.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:40:22 AM
Someone calls me a pedo and I'm not going to ignore that bone. It's quite the shittiest thing to call anyone without proof.
hey hey hey now
if not censoring someone advocating abolishing the age of consent is different from posting child porn then calling someone a whiny little turd for comparing not censoring vandalized road signs to not censoring advocating pedophilia isnt the same as calling someone a pedo either
somebody give this guy a pedicure
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 02:02:42 PM
if not censoring someone advocating abolishing the age of consent is different from posting child porn then calling someone a whiny little turd for comparing not censoring vandalized road signs to not censoring advocating pedophilia isnt the same as calling someone a pedo either
Oh dear, I've gone cross-eyed.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:51:13 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 05, 2009, 05:43:31 AM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:40:22 AM
I'm not trying to intimidate anyone. But I'm quite sure everyone is tired of me doggedly defending myself against attacks I perceive as being baseless.
Not really. :lulz:
But if you're tired of it, well...stop.
Good advice. Again. Thanks.
WELL THEN,
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Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 02:03:46 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 02:02:42 PM
if not censoring someone advocating abolishing the age of consent is different from posting child porn then calling someone a whiny little turd for comparing not censoring vandalized road signs to not censoring advocating pedophilia isnt the same as calling someone a pedo either
Oh dear, I've gone cross-eyed.
well it's true and I'm not retracting a goddamn thing.
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 01:58:51 PM
Ficpuss: A large area of what is commonly known as "humor" consists mainly of the degredation or insulting of a particular person, group, ethnicity, or geography.
To deny this is to deny part of what makes us human.
I'm not denying that. I'm not whining. I will take a stand if I see a sexist or racist joke that I find problematic. That's all that has happened here.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: fictionpussQuote from: DimoI told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site, so if you want to go on a tirade find the guy who posted that and get emotional with him. Welcome to the internet, things may get offensive. Now that that's done, it is also nice to meet you.
Then you said: And if a contributor advocates for a change in law with regards abolishing the age of consent while making it clear that they don't respect that law in their personal life?
now Dimo was talking about not going to censor a defaced roadsign picture, and you exaggerate this into not censoring veiled pedophilia,
No. Dimo was talking about not censoring _anything_ coming from his contributors. I could give a flying fuck about the defaced roadsign picture, it had no place in my argument from that point onwards - I was entirely focussed on the point he made about not censoring _anything_.
It was a minor point, granted, but since he was being a dick about it, I decided to call him on his BS.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:09:45 PM
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 01:58:51 PM
Ficpuss: A large area of what is commonly known as "humor" consists mainly of the degredation or insulting of a particular person, group, ethnicity, or geography.
To deny this is to deny part of what makes us human.
I'm not denying that. I'm not whining. I will take a stand if I see a sexist or racist joke that I find problematic. That's all that has happened here.
So, I'm guessing you find the entire
Austin Powers oeuvre problematic.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:17:54 PMQuote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 01:14:01 PMnow Dimo was talking about not going to censor a defaced roadsign picture, and you exaggerate this into not censoring veiled pedophilia,
No. Dimo was talking about not censoring _anything_ coming from his contributors. I could give a flying fuck about the defaced roadsign picture, it had no place in my argument from that point onwards - I was entirely focussed on the point he made about not censoring _anything_.
It was a minor point, granted, but since he was being a dick about it, I decided to call him on his BS.
A MINOR POINT YOU SHITHEAD? DO YOU ALWAYS HAMMER ON "MINOR POINTS" UNTIL PEOPLE GET FUCKING SICK OF YOU?
ah come on that is fucking bullshit
did you get my link about the first trick in the book?
it was YOU that went into the exaggeration of him saying "not censoring anything" (defending not censoring a defaced roadsign) into "really not censoring anything evar at all no matter what" (using advocating pedophilia as an example)
that is what happened.
at that point YOU were being a dick, or a douche, or a fucking retard.
and that is what I meant when I called you on it. and you were all "I have no idea what you're talking about show me the quote". cause noooooo you had NO idea what so ever what I was referring to. and it was just a drive by slur, whatever the fuck that means.
and oh yeah you went on for fucking AGES hammering on the distinction between "anything" and "really anything no matter what" KNOWING FULLY WELL WHAT HE MEANT
for fuck's sake you are pathetic.
and don't come with that fucking "point taken thanks for the advice" CRAP anymore. WE DONT FUCKING CARE. IF SOMEONE TELLS YOU TO STFU AND YOU THINK THIS IS GOOD ADVICE THEN JUST FUCKING STFU AND DONT YAMMER ABOUT IT. IF YOU THINK IT'S SUCH GOOD ADVICE WHY DONT YOU FUCKING USE IT
I love watching 000 fly off the handle.
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 02:27:37 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:09:45 PM
I'm not denying that. I'm not whining. I will take a stand if I see a sexist or racist joke that I find problematic. That's all that has happened here.
So, I'm guessing you find the entire Austin Powers oeuvre problematic.
No, not really. Since they reinforce pretty much all stereotypes without a predominant pattern that I can recognise.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:09:45 PM
I'm not denying that. I'm not whining. I will take a stand if I see a sexist or racist joke that I find problematic. That's all that has happened here.
Nope, you're wrong.
You're whining.
This is an objective fact, proven by rigorous science:
Theory, hypothesis, check.
Experiment, repeatability, check.
Hypothesis "Fictionpuss is whining" is now an unchallenged scientific theory.
CAN I GET A PEER REVIEW HERE?
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 02:32:37 PM
I love watching 000 fly off the handle.
I don't. Unfortunately it's somewhat inevitable once you've backed yourself into the wrong corner of the debate, and you have nowhere else to go.
Come to think of it, that probably
does have something to do with my experiences in Scotland.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:09:45 PM
I'm not denying that. I'm not whining. I will take a stand if I see a sexist or racist joke that I find problematic. That's all that has happened here.
Nope, you're wrong.
You're whining.
This is an objective fact, proven by rigorous science:
Theory, hypothesis, check.
Experiment, repeatability, check.
Hypothesis "Fictionpuss is whining" is now an unchallenged scientific theory.
CAN I GET A PEER REVIEW HERE?
Truth through repetition? You win.
Not everything requires an equal but opposite force. Just because you've flown off the handle, and have ceased to be rational, doesn't mean to say that I must be whining just to justify your actions.
I'm not denying that it has been interpreted that way. I am denying the objectivity.
Wow, that was fairly obtuse of you, fic.
Anyway, it seems that you're saying that while telling one offensive joke is bad, telling dozens is ok.
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 02:41:56 PM
Wow, that was fairly obtuse of you, fic.
To clarify, 000 was
very rational. You used hyperbole and exaggeration to try to make a point -- a point that really had no bearing on the conversation at hand.
You lose this round. So stop.
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 02:44:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 02:41:56 PM
Wow, that was fairly obtuse of you, fic.
To clarify, 000 was very rational. You used hyperbole and exaggeration to try to make a point -- a point that really had no bearing on the conversation at hand.
You lose this round. So stop.
If someone says "I'll never jump out of my window", I'm not allowed to say "what about in case of fire?"
Look. I made a small insignificant point. Other people jumped on it because it has the "fictionpuss" label of quality and I'm perceived as an easy target. Now they've forced themselves into a position to make it look like I've been doing something much more sinister than defending that one insignificant point, to justify the complete overreaction on their part.
Well fine. I'm not going to help them dig themselves out of the hole they made for themselves.
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 02:32:37 PM
I love watching 000 fly off the handle.
I learned a lot, since I first came here 8)
I even used these newfound skills in a RL situation this monday when I had the idea some place (details irrelevant) was screwing me over, and guy A who helps me there got his boss B and I went on a tirade against mr B, totally pwned him, got what I wanted and things will be different now. mr A was sort of half looking away and mumbling agreements with me now and then. but afterwards when B left he said "wow 000 you did that very well. you gotta know, he's my boss you know? so i'm kinda between two fires here*. however this conversation has taught me a thing or two as well, and I think things will be different from now on."
(*whether I think A not having the guts and/or spine to stand up against his boss in this situation is another question, but he's a bit off the hook for now)
and Fictionpuss,
what LMNO said, I am being perfectly rational. I'm not really at the point yet where I can successfully fly off the handle without remaining rational. For some people that works, doesn't yet for me.
so in all rationality, Fictionpuss, you're really thick if you confuse repeatability in the scientific method with "truth through repetition". I mean that simply, anyone with the slightest doubt or just scientific rigour can test the theory "Fictionpuss is a pathetic whining little prick" through a repeatable experiment.
well, anyone but you. and not only because you'd be too thick to understand, but also because of your inability to objectively carry out the experiment since the subject is you.
so take it from us:
You're a pathetic whining little prick.
We Do This Shit For Science
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 01:53:32 PM
I don't think that at all. I do believe that telling an anti-English joke is part of the problem in the cycle of violence. How do you extract your meaning from what I said?
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 09:43:46 PM
Yeah - random punches to the face, death threats and a constant stream of bigotry and abuse are quite clear indications of this common belief. Never did find out what was so special about being Scottish, apart from a naturally violent inclination towards the English. The best parts of Scotland I ever found was in the countryside, but that's only because it was virtually empty as everyone else was down the pub getting pissed and telling jokes about how everything is the fault of The English.
And then you have Hogmanay, and the sugar sweet coating over the hundreds year old hatred.. and the "harmless fun" and the "not really meaning it" bullshit. Once you've lived it, it takes on shades of innocence similar to McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Iran" - you might or might not consciously wish any ill to people born south of the border, but by perpetuating the joke, you perpetuate the moronic hatred.
Do you even read your own posts, sassenach?
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 02:41:56 PM
Wow, that was fairly obtuse of you, fic.
Anyway, it seems that you're saying that while telling one offensive joke is bad, telling dozens is ok.
One racist joke as part of a pattern I've become attuned to - I'll single out. Taking a film which mocks everyone in almost equal measure is not the same thing as that. Payne had a similar example a few pages ago where he and some friends would make fun out of everyone - if you recall, I conceded that he had a point and I withdrew an appearance of blanket objection then.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:51:14 PM
If someone says "I'll never jump out of my window", I'm not allowed to say "what about in case of fire?"
Look. I made a small insignificant point. Other people jumped on it because it has the "fictionpuss" label of quality and I'm perceived as an easy target. Now they've forced themselves into a position to make it look like I've been doing something much more sinister than defending that one insignificant point, to justify the complete overreaction on their part.
Well fine. I'm not going to help them dig themselves out of the hole they made for themselves.
I think the word you're looking for to describe yourself is "pedantic".
Yes, in a strict semantic-rules environment, the word "never" can be taken as an absolute. However, in passing conversation, more stress on the "absolute-ness" of the word is generally needed for emphasis.
"I'll never censor images" vs "I will
never, never EVER, censor
any image of
ANY kind. Ever."
Your insistance of taking it as the latter, when it was pretty clear to everyone involved that the intent of the post was indeed the former, makes you sound like a prick.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:51:14 PMOther people jumped on it because it has the "fictionpuss" label of quality and I'm perceived as an easy target
Oh god damn it, another one?
I only just got back to PD.com after a month or two away and I don't even know who you are.
I'll know not to reply to you from now on because I really can't be bothered with all that "hurr I'm a victim" crap. It also explains why you would play the racism card after a lighthearted joke.
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:51:14 PM
If someone says "I'll never jump out of my window", I'm not allowed to say "what about in case of fire?"
Look. I made a small insignificant point. Other people jumped on it because it has the "fictionpuss" label of quality and I'm perceived as an easy target. Now they've forced themselves into a position to make it look like I've been doing something much more sinister than defending that one insignificant point, to justify the complete overreaction on their part.
Well fine. I'm not going to help them dig themselves out of the hole they made for themselves.
I think the word you're looking for to describe yourself is "pedantic".
Yes, in a strict semantic-rules environment, the word "never" can be taken as an absolute. However, in passing conversation, more stress on the "absolute-ness" of the word is generally needed for emphasis.
"I'll never censor images" vs "I will never, never EVER, censor any image of ANY kind. Ever."
Your insistance of taking it as the latter, when it was pretty clear to everyone involved that the intent of the post was indeed the former, makes you sound like a prick.
Well that makes a lot of sense.
If people throw attitude in my face, I'll throw it back. In an environment where people keep throwing shit on me and blowing every small misunderstanding out of proportion, I can't help but sound like a prick.
Well, your pedantic error was pretty much pointed out to you from the get-go. It appears you just couldn't get past your knee-jerk Defensive Mode to see it.
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 05, 2009, 03:06:45 PM
I really can't be bothered with all that "hurr I'm a victim" crap.
I don't see myself as a victim. Quite literally, the violence I received is what informed my personal opinion of what other parts of the problem are. You asked, and I explained. Did I fall into your cunning trap?
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 05, 2009, 03:06:45 PM
It also explains why you would play the racism card after a lighthearted joke.
It was a racist joke. I've seen how those particular racist jokes are used, and particularly how the people who use them without thinking, play their part in perpetuating the violence.
It's like I've hit a timewarp to the 60s.
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 03:12:54 PM
Well, your pedantic error was pretty much pointed out to you from the get-go. It appears you just couldn't get past your knee-jerk Defensive Mode to see it.
This is entirely possible.
It was probably due to the lack of anything resembling decent dental care.
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 03:21:51 PM
It was probably due to the lack of anything resembling decent dental care.
YOU'RE CONTINUING THE HATRED! STOP CONTINUING THE HATRED!
Quote from: Payne on August 05, 2009, 03:25:58 PM
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 03:21:51 PM
It was probably due to the lack of anything resembling decent dental care.
YOU'RE CONTINUING THE HATRED! STOP CONTINUING THE HATRED!
No, silly. That affects _all_ of the UK - we've already covered the blanket clause.
With that logic, it should be ok to call everyone in Africa vicious savages who only want to fuck white women.
After all, it's the whole continent.
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 03:32:16 PM
With that logic, it should be ok to call everyone in Africa vicious savages who only want to fuck white women.
After all, it's the whole continent.
Nice hyperbole and exaggeration.
I don't see the group of people as defined by "the UK", as being a group which is in need of special attention, defence or other support. As a United Kingdom, we can pretty much take care of ourselves and have a rhetorical standing which would make baseless accusations hold no water.
But the teeth thing is a given. Can't do much about that.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 02:51:14 PM
If someone says "I'll never jump out of my window", I'm not allowed to say "what about in case of fire?"
Is different example.
Unless you're now equating having your house on fire with advocating pedophilia. Which is not really out of line or offensive or anything, but just doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
But going with your retarded analogy, YES, unless you want to be "that guy", if someone utters, in a completely fire-unrelated context, in the middle of a story, the words "I'll never jump out of my window", your are NOT supposed (allowed is something different) to interrupt him and say "what about in case of fire?" and then continue pounding the completely unrelated point home for the next couple of days! No! Of course not! Everybody else in the fucking room doesn't need to ask that question, but you do. And then you gotta pound on it. That makes you a whiny little prick.
QuoteLook. I made a small insignificant point. Other people jumped on it because it has the "fictionpuss" label of quality and I'm perceived as an easy target. Now they've forced themselves into a position to make it look like I've been doing something much more sinister than defending that one insignificant point, to justify the complete overreaction on their part.
Sinister? whooooooo
See, it's only a "small insignificant point" if you don't need ridiculous hyperbole to make it, and don't continue pounding on it for ages even if nobody cares about it for it being small, insignificant, and requiring ridiculous hyperbole to even consider.
And it's not a "fictionpuss label of quality", don't ever get the idea that maybe you're such a unique little snowflake. This has absolutely nothing to do with your name your avatar or your person, but everything with your behaviour. Which is 169% identical to any other n00b, the kind we get about once every month, that thinks they're so smart, and so right, and do not know when to just fucking shut the fuck up.
Yes, really, everything you've done so far has been done before, several times by several people.
Even the "wow that's good advice thanks" and "I've been such a douche sorry but thanks for showing me" shtick. Most notably by Wade and Daruko, but also by numerous lesser sociopaths.
Wade and Daruko both have been banned in the end, partly because of the never ending acting like a dickshit and then apologizing and then acting like a dickshit cycle. That's not a threat to you (they both did way more than that to get banned), but it is a warning to you to try and not end up in a spiral like that.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 03:11:17 PMIn an environment where people keep throwing shit on me and blowing every small misunderstanding out of proportion, I can't help but sound like a prick.
Arg!
No you pathetic retarded little swine, it's not us, it's YOU. YOU blew the small misunderstanding out of proportion, making YOU sound like a prick, all by YOURself.
EVERYBODY STAND BACK, IM GONNA DO SCIENCE AGAINTheory: "Fictionpuss is a prick regardless of his environment"
Background: In previous work, it has been established that Fictionpuss cannot help sounding like a prick given certain environments [FP2009]. In this report we will try to prove that Fictionpuss is a prick, regardless of his environment. The method we will employ here is a thought experiment where we will recreate the same situation but remove the offending environment. We will then observe whether Fictionpuss still appears to be a prick or not.
Hypothesis: If our theory is correct and Fictionpuss is a prick regardless of his environment, the experiment will show Fictionpuss to be a prick in this same situation even when we remove the environment previously thought to cause his prickness.
Experiment: Imagine the following hypothetical situation:
- Dimo says what he said about the road sign and censorship
- Fictionpuss does his pedantic little thing with the hyperbole and pedo advocacy
- None of PD makes any comment (removing the environment)
- Dimo replies
- You keep doing the pedantic thing
- Repeat.
Result: It is unknown for how long this experiment would continue if it were performed in reality, since none of PD is around to change the subject from pedantry about censorship, hyperbole and pedo advocacy to making fun of Fictionpuss. Regardless, it is obvious to any objective onlooker that in the experimental situation,
Fictionpuss is still a prick.Conclusion: Given the results, we were unable to falsify our theory, and therefore must conclude that
Fictionpuss is a prick regardless of his environment.SCIENCE. IT WORKS, BITCHESCitations:[FP2009] "In an environment where people keep throwing shit on me and blowing every small misunderstanding out of proportion, I can't help but sound like a prick."
Fictionpuss http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg737601#msg737601
In other words...
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Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 03:35:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 03:32:16 PM
With that logic, it should be ok to call everyone in Africa vicious savages who only want to fuck white women.
After all, it's the whole continent.
Nice hyperbole and exaggeration.
Hyperbole and exaggeration is not bad in and of itself.
It would be just pedantic and prickish if from now on we would pound you about DO YOU OR DO YUO NOT THINK IT IS OKAY TO CALL EVERYONE IN AFRICA VICIOUS SAVAGES THAT WANT TO FUCK WHITE ASS EXCEPT YOURS?
it would, however, be funny.
because it would be
us, doing it to
you. you, who has been
scientifically proven to be a prick in
any circumstance.
making fun of pricks is funny.
especially when we do it!
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was really about the Scottish Empire and their Black African Rapist lackeys.
Troo story.
Quote from: Cain on August 05, 2009, 03:52:25 PM
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was really about the Scottish Empire and their Black African Rapist lackeys.
Troo story.
I blame P3nT for it.
He's a PR nightmare for us all.
P3nt is just a physical manifestation of Frankie Boyle's Id, unrestrained by the SuperEgo any longer.
Quote from: Cain on August 05, 2009, 03:58:59 PM
P3nt is just a physical manifestation of Frankie Boyle's Id, unrestrained by the SuperEgo any longer.
You know, I think that's actually quite fucking close.
Its proven by SCIENCE
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 03:37:49 PM
But going with your retarded analogy, YES, unless you want to be "that guy", if someone utters, in a completely fire-unrelated context, in the middle of a story, the words "I'll never jump out of my window", your are NOT supposed (allowed is something different) to interrupt him and say "what about in case of fire?" and then continue pounding the completely unrelated point home for the next couple of days! No! Of course not! Everybody else in the fucking room doesn't need to ask that question, but you do. And then you gotta pound on it. That makes you a whiny little prick.
I was not "pounding" on the question. Multiple times I said he was free to not answer the question, and I would have shut up if he had just said "I don't want to answer the question" or "I haven't really thought about it yet, my magazine is still new".
No, it escalated - in part - because he was a troll-alt without any intention of giving a real answer, but instead just creating noise and drawing me into his troll. In part because I'm susceptible to that. In part because everyone else on this thread is just as susceptible to that.
So as long as you try to single me out as the root cause of this, I'll continue to defend myself.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 03:37:49 PM
And it's not a "fictionpuss label of quality", don't ever get the idea that maybe you're such a unique little snowflake. This has absolutely nothing to do with your name your avatar or your person, but everything with your behaviour. Which is 169% identical to any other n00b, the kind we get about once every month, that thinks they're so smart, and so right, and do not know when to just fucking shut the fuck up.
Granted. Which in turn... leads people to ignore threads because I put my label on them by responding to them.
Sorry if I didn't explain myself in pedantic detail, or if the absolute irony of the "label of quality" part evoked Poe's Law for you.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 03:37:49 PM
Theory: "Fictionpuss is a prick regardless of his environment"
Background: In previous work, it has been established that Fictionpuss cannot help sounding like a prick given certain environments [FP2009]. In this report we will try to prove that Fictionpuss is a prick, regardless of his environment. The method we will employ here is a thought experiment where we will recreate the same situation but remove the offending environment. We will then observe whether Fictionpuss still appears to be a prick or not.
Hypothesis: If our theory is correct and Fictionpuss is a prick regardless of his environment, the experiment will show Fictionpuss to be a prick in this same situation even when we remove the environment previously thought to cause his prickness.
I'm going to reiterate a point here which has not been sufficiently addressed. In any thread where shit is thrown at me, I feel free to fling it back. Newbies aren't supposed to do this, yadda yadda. I get it. Fuck that.
But to take your scientific construct seriously for one moment, it can be invalidated by the simple experiment of not throwing shit at me. You and I have had interesting discussions on other threads. Maybe I didn't add much value - after all I am a newbie. But you know that I was being earnest.
And there is no other thread on this entire forum where I have been the first to throw shit. Sure, it can be fun. But I find interesting discussions _more_ fun.
And maybe you don't _want_ to engage in any real discussion with me. Fine - that's your right. But don't pretend that there's anything scientific or objective about your reasons.
Quote[16:11] * pixie (Mibbit@hide-2E0C9CAF.bb.sky.com) has joined #discord
[16:12] <pixie> hey
[16:12] <@Payne> hey
[16:12] <%badge> hey
[16:12] * Payne sets mode +v pixie for #discord
[16:12] <+pixie> hey badge,
[16:13] <%badge> sup
[16:13] <%badge> SORRY PAYNE SHE DOESN'T LIKE YOU
[16:13] <+pixie> i like the payne
[16:13] <@Payne> is okay, I'm scottish, and therefore prone to punching english people in the face
[16:13] <@Payne> it is proven
[16:13] <+pixie> Is just hes here sop much he's morphed with the furniture
[16:14] <@Payne> (by fictionpuss)
[16:14] <@Payne> (but it's still TOTALLY TRUE)
[16:14] <+pixie> hahah
[16:14] <+pixie> hey payne
[16:14] * Payne punches pixie in the face
PLEASE STOP PERSECUTING FICTIONPUSSY!
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Quote from: LMNO on August 05, 2009, 04:29:25 PM
PLEASE STOP PERSECUTING FICTIONPUSSY!
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On the other hand, as a result of my own "burning times", I may finally get some of my pagan board accounts approved.
PAYNE(tm)
A proud part of the 'Circle of Hatred' since last night
:sad: Nobody pays attention to me...
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 05, 2009, 04:49:47 PM
:sad: Nobody pays attention to me...
I said I wouldn't feed you any more, but I lied.
If you start contributing anything positive to any discussions, anywhere, instead of the "pischew pischew" noises and other fappery, then I may take you seriously. Troll, alt, or not.
I am aware that this may be more of a disincentive.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 04:58:56 PM
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 05, 2009, 04:49:47 PM
:sad: Nobody pays attention to me...
I said I wouldn't feed you any more, but I lied.
If you start contributing anything positive to any discussions, anywhere, instead of the "pischew pischew" noises and other fappery, then I may take you seriously. Troll, alt, or not.
I am aware that this may be more of a disincentive.
Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 05, 2009, 04:49:47 PM
:sad: Nobody pays attention to me...
isnt that the pot calling the kettle black?
Stop being pedantic.
That's obviously the spork calling the fireplace a fagbasket.
I stopped following this thread about 10 pages back. Is there any reason for me to read any of this crap?
Yes. For the novelty of anti-Scots bigotry which seems to mostly complain about Scottish bigotry.
And for the science.
No Iason.
Unless you like owls.
Nice panties
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Quote from: Iason Ouabache on August 05, 2009, 05:10:05 PM
I stopped following this thread about 10 pages back. Is there any reason for me to read any of this crap?
I dunno, I haven't even bothered with the first 10. All I know is this is where FP learned his word of the day.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 04:13:12 PM
No, it escalated - in part - because he was a troll-alt without any intention of giving a real answer, but instead just creating noise and drawing me into his troll. In part because I'm susceptible to that. In part because everyone else on this thread is just as susceptible to that.
So as long as you try to single me out as the root cause of this, I'll continue to defend myself.
you were the root cause of this because you are a prick and if you hadnt posted ITT this would not have happened.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 03:37:49 PM
And it's not a "fictionpuss label of quality", don't ever get the idea that maybe you're such a unique little snowflake. This has absolutely nothing to do with your name your avatar or your person, but everything with your behaviour. Which is 169% identical to any other n00b, the kind we get about once every month, that thinks they're so smart, and so right, and do not know when to just fucking shut the fuck up.
Granted. Which in turn... leads people to ignore threads because I put my label on them by responding to them.
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you must be so proud of yourself.
QuoteBut to take your scientific construct seriously for one moment, it can be invalidated by the simple experiment of not throwing shit at me. You and I have had interesting discussions on other threads. Maybe I didn't add much value - after all I am a newbie. But you know that I was being earnest.
oh sure, but it seems to take vey little prodding to turn you into prick-modus.
less prodding than the average ambient prodding-level that is present in every thread on PD that every poster is subject to.
so don't think you're singled out, it's you that has a problem, not our treatment of you.
QuoteAnd there is no other thread on this entire forum where I have been the first to throw shit. Sure, it can be fun. But I find interesting discussions _more_ fun.
except this thead. if your first and second post aren't throwing shit, surely your third is.
oh and I recall your very first chainmail thread, but I'd have to look that up to see if you really were the first.
there may be more examples.
QuoteAnd maybe you don't _want_ to engage in any real discussion with me. Fine - that's your right. But don't pretend that there's anything scientific or objective about your reasons.
actually there is. engaging in real discussion with you might be possible, but because of PD being what it is, and you being the prick that you are, it is impossible to carry on such a discussion for very long until it turns into a shit flinging fest.
Quote from: Cain on August 05, 2009, 05:12:33 PM
Yes. For the novelty of anti-Scots bigotry which seems to mostly complain about Scottish bigotry.
And for the science.
What anti-Scottish bigotry? My statement to the effect that many Scottish people enjoy getting drunk and talking shit about the English
is science. I didn't see any argument against that.
It's racism with a thin veneer of social acceptance, and I hold that society partly responsible for the hate and violence which ensues.
I honestly don't see what is objectionable about any of this.
Why is this still going on?!?
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Fictionpuss is Wade. It could only be Wade. He's just too fucking stupid :wade:
That or he's a fucking racist kiddy fiddler and he's getting really pissy cause we're blowing his cover.
Guess who's my "special friend" today.
Go ahead, GUESS.
I like you Wade. It's o.k. Don't worry about what the others think. I mean, sure you're a creep and you need a foam helmet, but that's just one of the many things that makes YOU special.
Quote from: Squid on August 05, 2009, 05:23:38 PMThat or he's a fucking racist kiddy fiddler and he's getting really pissy cause we're blowing his cover.
Seconding this theory.
Also, he's English, which puts him just above pedophiles and Hitler on the evil scale.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 01:53:32 PM
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 05, 2009, 10:25:00 AM
And I explained that I would sometimes experience violence after just opening my mouth for the first time, before I'd had time to communicate my dickishness.
Body language and facial expressions are also ways to convey dickishness.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 04:13:12 PM
No, it escalated - in part - because he was a troll-alt without any intention of giving a real answer, but instead just creating noise and drawing me into his troll. In part because I'm susceptible to that. In part because everyone else on this thread is just as susceptible to that.
So as long as you try to single me out as the root cause of this, I'll continue to defend myself.
you were the root cause of this because you are a prick and if you hadnt posted ITT this would not have happened.
No, he would have simply kept trying harder until he fish hooked someone else who was harder to troll.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 04:13:12 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 03:37:49 PM
And it's not a "fictionpuss label of quality", don't ever get the idea that maybe you're such a unique little snowflake. This has absolutely nothing to do with your name your avatar or your person, but everything with your behaviour. Which is 169% identical to any other n00b, the kind we get about once every month, that thinks they're so smart, and so right, and do not know when to just fucking shut the fuck up.
Granted. Which in turn... leads people to ignore threads because I put my label on them by responding to them.
you must be so proud of yourself.
No. I think it's a shitty situation. I don't think I'm responsible for it, either, although I will cop to causing it.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
QuoteBut to take your scientific construct seriously for one moment, it can be invalidated by the simple experiment of not throwing shit at me. You and I have had interesting discussions on other threads. Maybe I didn't add much value - after all I am a newbie. But you know that I was being earnest.
oh sure, but it seems to take vey little prodding to turn you into prick-modus.
less prodding than the average ambient prodding-level that is present in every thread on PD that every poster is subject to.
Everyone else is freaking out but me. I'm calmly responding to points as they are raised. Somehow, as if to balance this out, you feel need to paint my actions as being overly prickish.
I can take the prodding, and I welcome it. But this is your shitstorm, not mine.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
QuoteAnd there is no other thread on this entire forum where I have been the first to throw shit. Sure, it can be fun. But I find interesting discussions _more_ fun.
except this thead. if your first and second post aren't throwing shit, surely your third is.
1) He asked for critical opinion on his writing, I told him that I had read some of it but that I didn't find it very coherent, and because of this I wasn't motivated to read more. I wasn't sucking his ass, but I wasn't throwing shit either. By engaging him, I gave him the opportunity to convince me to read more, but I made it clear that I wasn't going to go out of my way to do so.
2) I was offering friendly advice as the troll was getting into an altercation with squid, and I naively thought I could save him some owl-based-grief.
3) Reiterating the second post, trying to make the contrast more clear since he didn't seem to be getting it. Because he was only trolling. I was not flinging shit at him when I asked him what his censorship policy was, because I didn't think he had thought it through, and thus was just going to keep digging a deeper hole for himself.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
oh and I recall your very first chainmail thread, but I'd have to look that up to see if you really were the first.
I can't be arsed looking it up either. I was "asking for it" in that thread though, as has already been established - so even if someone else threw shit at me first, the fact that I was begging for it does not bolster my argument.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 05, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
QuoteAnd maybe you don't _want_ to engage in any real discussion with me. Fine - that's your right. But don't pretend that there's anything scientific or objective about your reasons.
actually there is. engaging in real discussion with you might be possible, but because of PD being what it is, and you being the prick that you are, it is impossible to carry on such a discussion for very long until it turns into a shit flinging fest.
Well. I'm going to be trying to avoid shit-flinging a bit harder in the future. So I'll guess we'll see. In a years time I'm sure this will all look very different, and TGRR will probably bump it just to remind us that we're all shit-flinging monkeys. Or maybe just me. I won't pretend to understand his motivations.
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 05, 2009, 05:32:03 PM
Also, he's English, which puts him just above pedophiles and Hitler on the evil scale.
Nice try, but I don't see this as being anti-English, so I'm not going to bite.
Quote from: A Pesky Nonvoting Screeching on August 05, 2009, 05:35:10 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 01:53:32 PM
And I explained that I would sometimes experience violence after just opening my mouth for the first time, before I'd had time to communicate my dickishness.
Body language and facial expressions are also ways to convey dickishness.
An entirely valid point. Wearing my favourite "Oh God, why am I stuck in this shitty land of damp sheep fuckers?" t-shirt probably didn't help either.
I'm bored with you already.
It was gonna be fun. We coulda played Monopoly and Battleship, but something tells me you'd just try to eat the pieces.
Oh well. Run along then.
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 05, 2009, 05:50:30 PM
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 05, 2009, 05:32:03 PM
Also, he's English, which puts him just above pedophiles and Hitler on the evil scale.
Nice try, but I don't see this as being anti-English, so I'm not going to bite.
We don't take kindly to your type around these parts. Go drink your tea someplace else.
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Quote from: Dimo1138 on August 03, 2009, 06:48:15 PM
I figured that, if I'm not getting anywhere chasing my tail, I might as well enjoy myself doing it.
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Quote from: Captain Utopia on August 04, 2009, 09:43:46 PM
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: ( ´_ゝ`) on August 04, 2009, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on August 04, 2009, 05:07:07 PMI was born in England
I'm pretty sure you can't get any less Scottish than that.
Tell me about it. But since I grew up and spent the worst 26 years of my life there, I consider myself from Scotland, but not Scottish. Thankfully.
Well as long as you understand that as long as you were born in England, to us you're about as English as Vinnie Jones dressed as the Queen while morris dancing and drinking tea (other than Scottish Blend, obviously).
Yeah - random punches to the face, death threats and a constant stream of bigotry and abuse are quite clear indications of this common belief. Never did find out what was so special about being Scottish, apart from a naturally violent inclination towards the English. The best parts of Scotland I ever found was in the countryside, but that's only because it was virtually empty as everyone else was down the pub getting pissed and telling jokes about how everything is the fault of The English.
And then you have Hogmanay, and the sugar sweet coating over the hundreds year old hatred.. and the "harmless fun" and the "not really meaning it" bullshit. Once you've lived it, it takes on shades of innocence similar to McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Iran" - you might or might not consciously wish any ill to people born south of the border, but by perpetuating the joke, you perpetuate the moronic hatred.
08/04/09 NEVAR FORGET
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Punching Fictionpuss in the face for being English is sorta like wanting to bomb Iran, in a way.
Only more justifiable.
Quote from: Cain on September 14, 2011, 07:11:37 PM
Punching Fictionpuss in the face for being English is sorta like wanting to bomb Iran, in a way.
Only more justifiable.
Dunno about bombing Iran part, but punching CU in the face seems more like a pre-emptive strike against his inevitable shenanigans. :lulz:
Do you think the entire saga started with this one moment?
I think it started the moment we made fun of him for his chain email thing.
Quote from: Cain on September 14, 2011, 08:22:37 PM
I think it started the moment we made fun of him for his chain email thing.
Was this covered earlier in this thread here? Because I want to read that. :lulz:
Quote from: Cain on September 14, 2011, 07:11:37 PM
Punching Fictionpuss in the face for being English is sorta like wanting to bomb Iran, in a way.
Only more justifiable.
Wasn't it like wanting to nuke Iran and give it to the Jews? ;-)
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on September 14, 2011, 08:23:13 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 14, 2011, 08:22:37 PM
I think it started the moment we made fun of him for his chain email thing.
Was this covered earlier in this thread here? Because I want to read that. :lulz:
Is his very first posts, AFAICR.
Nuke Scotland and give it to the Canadians!
And yes, search his post history. Very first thread he made. It was...unusual.