So... Restrict the ways a woman can get insurance to pay for an abortion... And when in desperation, she resorts to deliberately overdosing on pills to force a miscarriage, arrest her, charge her, and threaten her with a fine of up to $5000 (which she obviously can't afford) and up to 5 years in jail... Taking her away from the children she DOES have.
I do fucking hate people sometimes.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/38660_Idaho_Woman_Arrested_and_Charged_with_Unlawful_Abortion
Fucking hell.
Expect this trend to worsen as long as this particular pendulum swing holds in this direction...
Quote from: Your Mom on June 03, 2011, 02:32:41 PM
Fucking hell.
Pretty much, exactly.
On the plus side, here's hoping the ACLU or someone similar takes her case and runs it up to the Supreme Court.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 02:41:37 PM
Expect this trend to worsen as long as this particular pendulum swing holds in this direction...
I know. :|
Fucking Idaho rubes are almost as backwards as the Dakotas.
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
Janis
So... predictions, anyone?
I need to ask for the day off work, so I'll need to know when I must report for mandatory insemination. Also, will I be able to choose the father, or will one be chosen for me? Just curious.
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 03, 2011, 03:22:43 PM
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
Janis
You know that makes so much more sense these days than it did when I was younger. Or maybe I'm just able to see a bit more clearly now that my vision has gone to shit.
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 03:28:06 PM
So... predictions, anyone?
I need to ask for the day off work, so I'll need to know when I must report for mandatory insemination. Also, will I be able to choose the father, or will one be chosen for me? Just curious.
Shut up, strip, and get back in line, bitch.
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 03:28:06 PM
So... predictions, anyone?
I need to ask for the day off work, so I'll need to know when I must report for mandatory insemination. Also, will I be able to choose the father, or will one be chosen for me? Just curious.
You will be required to wear a miniskirt and 6-inch pumps, which will signal that you are indeed "asking for it", at which point men will justifiably be incited to assert their virility upon you.
QuoteAccording to the report, McCormack was turned into the police by the sister of on of her friends, a woman who stated "There's other things she could have done. She could have asked for some type of help."
But it's obvious that the only "help" that was acceptable in this situation, according to the tipster, was to have the baby, and that the woman who contacted the police did it solely to punish McCormack. "I'm a grandmother myself. And the love and the compassion I have for my grandkids? They're my life. And I felt that if somebody didn't speak up for this baby, who would? It doesn't have a voice anymore," Carnahan said
Someone should put this bitch out of everyone's misery.
I hate this country.
As for predictions? It will become necessary to meet up with a sketchy guy with a coat hanger down a dark alley. We'll call him Yuri for fun.
Quote from: Khara on June 03, 2011, 03:32:01 PM
QuoteAccording to the report, McCormack was turned into the police by the sister of on of her friends, a woman who stated "There's other things she could have done. She could have asked for some type of help."
But it's obvious that the only "help" that was acceptable in this situation, according to the tipster, was to have the baby, and that the woman who contacted the police did it solely to punish McCormack. "I'm a grandmother myself. And the love and the compassion I have for my grandkids? They're my life. And I felt that if somebody didn't speak up for this baby, who would? It doesn't have a voice anymore," Carnahan said
Someone should put this bitch out of everyone's misery.
I'm trying to figure out what she meant by "anymore."
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 03:41:07 PM
Quote from: Khara on June 03, 2011, 03:32:01 PM
QuoteAccording to the report, McCormack was turned into the police by the sister of on of her friends, a woman who stated "There's other things she could have done. She could have asked for some type of help."
But it's obvious that the only "help" that was acceptable in this situation, according to the tipster, was to have the baby, and that the woman who contacted the police did it solely to punish McCormack. "I'm a grandmother myself. And the love and the compassion I have for my grandkids? They're my life. And I felt that if somebody didn't speak up for this baby, who would? It doesn't have a voice anymore," Carnahan said
Someone should put this bitch out of everyone's misery.
I'm trying to figure out what she meant by "anymore."
Idaho is a magical place where embryos can actually speak English, audibly, through the mother's uterus.
People who fight for the rights of the unborn are hiding their heads from the atrocities committed against the born.
That's the other thing that gets me too.
What do these people mean by baby? You can't abort a baby anymore than you can kill a chick by breaking an egg.
I hate how they intentionally muddle the language to try and garner sympathy for a clump of cells that doesn't even have a brain yet. You don't even abort fetuses. You abort embryos.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 03, 2011, 03:45:27 PM
People who fight for the rights of the unborn are hiding their heads from the atrocities committed against the born.
Life begins at conception and ends at birth.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 03, 2011, 03:45:27 PM
People who fight for the rights of the unborn are hiding their heads from the atrocities committed against the born.
Amazing how easy they find it to stand up for the unborn, yet there are still over 125,000 children in the American foster care system awaiting adoption. (There were over 580,000 children in the system... Data is as of 1999, which is the last I can find, which is bloody disgraceful, IMHO.)
http://www.adoptioninstitute.org/FactOverview/foster.html
How about we save the kids we've already GOT who need it, first?
^ IAWTC
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 03, 2011, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 03:41:07 PM
Quote from: Khara on June 03, 2011, 03:32:01 PM
QuoteAccording to the report, McCormack was turned into the police by the sister of on of her friends, a woman who stated "There's other things she could have done. She could have asked for some type of help."
But it's obvious that the only "help" that was acceptable in this situation, according to the tipster, was to have the baby, and that the woman who contacted the police did it solely to punish McCormack. "I'm a grandmother myself. And the love and the compassion I have for my grandkids? They're my life. And I felt that if somebody didn't speak up for this baby, who would? It doesn't have a voice anymore," Carnahan said
Someone should put this bitch out of everyone's misery.
I'm trying to figure out what she meant by "anymore."
Idaho is a magical place where embryos can actually speak English, audibly, through the mother's uterus.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 03, 2011, 03:37:20 PM
As for predictions? It will become necessary to meet up with a sketchy guy with a coat hanger down a dark alley. We'll call him Yuri for fun.
Yep. And the death rate from botched abortions will fucking skyrocket.
Serves them sluts right!
\
:redneck2:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on June 03, 2011, 03:58:01 PM
Serves them sluts right!
\
:redneck2:
God, that pic always manages to make me automatically more angry about whatever is being talked about.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 03, 2011, 03:37:20 PM
As for predictions? It will become necessary to meet up with a sketchy guy with a coat hanger down a dark alley. We'll call him Yuri for fun.
It'll become a states' rights issue where places like Oregon and Nevada and California and Washington will get a floodtide of abortion seekers. Canada's borders and Mexico's private hospitals as well.
There are always
options. But the rusty coathanger will, of course, be what's left for those who, as usual,
can't afford.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 03, 2011, 03:45:27 PM
People who fight for the rights of the unborn are hiding their heads from the atrocities committed against the born.
Yep.
More unwanted babies ----> Good.
Dropping bombs on people who are already here ----> Good.
Torture ----> Good.
Death Penalty ----> Good.
Feeding poor people ----> Bad.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:20:14 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 03, 2011, 03:37:20 PM
As for predictions? It will become necessary to meet up with a sketchy guy with a coat hanger down a dark alley. We'll call him Yuri for fun.
It'll become a states' rights issue where places like Oregon and Nevada and California and Washington will get a floodtide of abortion seekers. Canada's borders and Mexico's private hospitals as well.
There are always options. But the rusty coathanger will, of course, be what's left for those who, as usual, can't afford.
They wont be going to Mexico, unless it's Mexico City.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Mexico
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 04:26:08 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:20:14 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 03, 2011, 03:37:20 PM
As for predictions? It will become necessary to meet up with a sketchy guy with a coat hanger down a dark alley. We'll call him Yuri for fun.
It'll become a states' rights issue where places like Oregon and Nevada and California and Washington will get a floodtide of abortion seekers. Canada's borders and Mexico's private hospitals as well.
There are always options. But the rusty coathanger will, of course, be what's left for those who, as usual, can't afford.
They wont be going to Mexico, unless it's Mexico City.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Mexico
I'm willing to bet that the private hospitals will bribe whoever they need to to get business done. Esp if they notice a large amount of well-paying US women are flooding their institutions.
Nothing Mexico likes better than American cash. Even when it pays for shit they deny their own citizens.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:28:09 PM
Nothing Mexico likes better than American cash.
The Mexican-American War begs to disagree.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:45:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 04:39:48 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:28:09 PM
Nothing Mexico likes better than American cash.
The Mexican-American War begs to disagree.
That was WHEN? :lulz:
Okay. If the American government tried to buy Baja California today, do you expect the Mexican government or Mexican people would fall all over themselves to sell?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:45:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 04:39:48 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:28:09 PM
Nothing Mexico likes better than American cash.
The Mexican-American War begs to disagree.
That was WHEN? :lulz:
Okay. If the American government tried to buy Baja California today, do you expect the Mexican government or Mexican people would fall all over themselves to sell?
They don't have to. Guess how many US and international investors are there. And guess how many professionals work both sides of the border.
Trust me, it may not be overt, and actually it IS if you know where to look, but the average everyday Mexican gets fucked over royally while any other Westernized citizen gets the royal treatment.
And the Mexican government is way ok with that.
Roger: I'm not talking about land ownership. I'm talking about obtaining goods and services over the border that are cheaper in Mexico at the expense of the average Mexican.
So I'm not sure why you are disagreeing with me.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:56:09 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:45:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 04:39:48 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:28:09 PM
Nothing Mexico likes better than American cash.
The Mexican-American War begs to disagree.
That was WHEN? :lulz:
Okay. If the American government tried to buy Baja California today, do you expect the Mexican government or Mexican people would fall all over themselves to sell?
They don't have to. Guess how many US and international investors are there. And guess how many professionals work both sides of the border.
Trust me, it may not be overt, and actually it IS if you know where to look, but the average everyday Mexican gets fucked over royally while any other Westernized citizen gets the royal treatment.
And the Mexican government is way ok with that.
That isn't what I asked.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
Roger: I'm not talking about land ownership. I'm talking about obtaining goods and services over the border that are cheaper in Mexico at the expense of the average Mexican.
So I'm not sure why you are disagreeing with me.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 05:12:11 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
Roger: I'm not talking about land ownership. I'm talking about obtaining goods and services over the border that are cheaper in Mexico at the expense of the average Mexican.
So I'm not sure why you are disagreeing with me.
You said:
QuoteNothing Mexico likes better than American cash.
I was pointing out that there are things Mexico likes better than American cash.
Oh, but they just find a means to get it without GIVING UP their precious seaboarding lands, of course.
And that's MY take on it.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 05:29:31 PM
Oh, but they just find a means to get it without GIVING UP their precious seaboarding lands, of course.
And that's MY take on it.
Yep. And Americans are all religious nuts and the British have bad teef. :lulz:
Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half. Hearts are very tough. You couldn't do this. No.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 05:30:55 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 05:29:31 PM
Oh, but they just find a means to get it without GIVING UP their precious seaboarding lands, of course.
And that's MY take on it.
Yep. And Americans are all religious nuts and the British have bad teef. :lulz:
I think I'm done here.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 05:32:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 05:30:55 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 05:29:31 PM
Oh, but they just find a means to get it without GIVING UP their precious seaboarding lands, of course.
And that's MY take on it.
Yep. And Americans are all religious nuts and the British have bad teef. :lulz:
I think I'm done here.
Okay, then switch and I'll haul on the other leg.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
Roger: I'm not talking about land ownership. I'm talking about obtaining goods and services over the border that are cheaper in Mexico at the expense of the average Mexican.
So I'm not sure why you are disagreeing with me.
Not to sound combative but that's a bit of a simplified statement.
Despite watching for decades (70+ years) as the same political party fraudulently "won" elections and gave political favors to supporters of the party, the population at large made little effort to remove the PRI.
It's only been in the last few decades that there's been any real move to take PRI out of power and provide some level of check and balance that should have already existed given the system of government since the Revolution. I think we'll see a lot more positive changes come about by having real competition in their political process and a very enthusiastic youth movement. And foreign investment capital returning to the country after their last major crisis should be seen as a good thing.
Change probably will happen slowly, but fixing nearly 3/4 of a century of systemic corruption at all levels of government is a lot to have to reverse.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 05:31:32 PM
Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half. Hearts are very tough. You couldn't do this. No.
It's true. All muscle and....blood. Anyone who watched the last episode of A Game Of Thrones knows just how difficult eating a whole raw heart can be, too.
Quote from: Cain on June 03, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 05:31:32 PM
Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half. Hearts are very tough. You couldn't do this. No.
It's true. All muscle and....blood. Anyone who watched the last episode of A Game Of Thrones knows just how difficult eating a whole raw heart can be, too.
Oh come on, she took that thing down like a champ, and it was a damn horse heart. Probably could have used some hot sauce or something though.
that
was a pretty brutal scene actually.
Brutal? That was sexy as Hell.
Mrs LMNO and I had to turn the DVR off for a while so we could address some... circumstances... that "arose" after seeing that.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 05:37:03 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
Roger: I'm not talking about land ownership. I'm talking about obtaining goods and services over the border that are cheaper in Mexico at the expense of the average Mexican.
So I'm not sure why you are disagreeing with me.
Not to sound combative but that's a bit of a simplified statement.
Despite watching for decades (70+ years) as the same political party fraudulently "won" elections and gave political favors to supporters of the party, the population at large made little effort to remove the PRI.
It's only been in the last few decades that there's been any real move to take PRI out of power and provide some level of check and balance that should have already existed given the system of government since the Revolution. I think we'll see a lot more positive changes come about by having real competition in their political process and a very enthusiastic youth movement. And foreign investment capital returning to the country after their last major crisis should be seen as a good thing.
Change probably will happen slowly, but fixing nearly 3/4 of a century of systemic corruption at all levels of government is a lot to have to reverse.
I didn't really make that qualitative of a statement on the American dollars being funneled into Mexico. In point of fact, I've always been very PRO-American support of the Mexican economy. For those who complain about Mexicans working "our jobs" over here, I've usually replied that I think we should do MORE to improve Mexico, so that it continues to improve.
Yes, I stated an oversimplification, but it doesn't remove the fact that the majority of Mexicans are still 1) poor 2) uneducated 3) malnourished, and that luxury items are still bought there cheaply by Americans, and luxury services are still obtained much more cheaply over THERE than they are HERE, and USUALLY at the expense of the very poor. Even if they're not available, for whatever reason, to the average Mexican citizen on the street.
I think investment in Mexico is a great thing, a wonderful thing. And I totally believe and know well that the corruption in Mexico's government is rife. AND I totally think government, the drug cartels and big business IN Mexico is to blame for the continuing plight of the average Mexican Juan.
I'm frustrated that Roger characterized what I said as "all Mexicans want is $$$" because that's not what I meant. I meant that your average hard-working yet still poverty-level guy in Mexico can't get in goods and services what your very-average American Joe CAN. Because the powers that be in Mexico set it up that way.
What I meant by those who are disenfranchised by OUR states' laws and can't get what they want will come to Mexico to get it, and get it cheaper, than they can in Mexico, because though its own citizens might be denied access to it, unofficially and with the proper bribes, your average Westernized citizen won't. Right now, there's plenty of our elderly and retirees down in Mexico getting cheap-ass (for us) premium health care at privatized hospitals. Health care that would cost them tens to hundreds of thousands here. They've made whole retirement communities along the Mexican coastline for this purpose. You think the average Mexican "retiree" has the best health care they can get?
Will someone PLEASE tell me where this, what I'm saying above, goes wrong? Aside from the usual "you're making assumptions, blah blah"? Living on the border as I do, and the amount of people I see who hail from Mexico proper, day to day, sort of makes me feel like I know this situation pretty fucking well.
Whatever. I don't have time for this. Right now, it seems:
(http://www.nataliedee.com/053111/dumber-than-a-sack-of-pillows.jpg)
Oh, Goddammit.
...wut? it's what I should have said before I took my shower break.
So, yeah, pulling someone's leg and then apologizing for it gets the same results as pulling someone's leg and then not apologizing for it.
I derailed the damn thread from it's OP so sorry about that and I agree with everything you said Jenne.
I'll let it get back to the horrible story in the OP.
Jenne, as a disinterested third party, it appeared to me that Roger was initially making a glib one-liner of a jest; then proceeded to gently jibe you when you put on what I affectionately refer to as the "Requia Hat" -- In fact, he even calls himself out when he announces he's "going to pull the other one" further back in the thread.
I'm afraid you got wrapped up in an internal narrative. It happens to the best of us.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 03, 2011, 03:45:27 PM
People who fight for the rights of the unborn are hiding their heads from the atrocities committed against the born.
Yep.
More unwanted babies ----> Good.
Dropping bombs on people who are already here ----> Good.
Torture ----> Good.
Death Penalty ----> Good.
Feeding poor people ----> Bad.
Haven't you heard? Being poor in the US can be punishable by up to life in prison.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on June 03, 2011, 08:14:02 PM
Jenne, as a disinterested third party, it appeared to me that Roger was initially making a glib one-liner of a jest; then proceeded to gently jibe you when you put on what I affectionately refer to as the "Requia Hat" -- In fact, he even calls himself out when he announces he's "going to pull the other one" further back in the thread.
I'm afraid you got wrapped up in an internal narrative. It happens to the best of us.
Ah.
Well suck ass to me then. LOL
ROGER:::::::> I'm thick. Sorry. My bad I didn't see the humor for the trees.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 08:18:55 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on June 03, 2011, 08:14:02 PM
Jenne, as a disinterested third party, it appeared to me that Roger was initially making a glib one-liner of a jest; then proceeded to gently jibe you when you put on what I affectionately refer to as the "Requia Hat" -- In fact, he even calls himself out when he announces he's "going to pull the other one" further back in the thread.
I'm afraid you got wrapped up in an internal narrative. It happens to the best of us.
Ah.
Well suck ass to me then. LOL
ROGER:::::::> I'm thick. Sorry. My bad I didn't see the humor for the trees.
S'ok. Just having a day, is all.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 08:12:38 PM
I derailed the damn thread from it's OP so sorry about that and I agree with everything you said Jenne.
I'll let it get back to the horrible story in the OP.
Dude, thread drift happens. And you know what, I'm the tard in this situation, so don't go all soft and apologetic on me now, Pickle. ;)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 08:21:03 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 08:18:55 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on June 03, 2011, 08:14:02 PM
Jenne, as a disinterested third party, it appeared to me that Roger was initially making a glib one-liner of a jest; then proceeded to gently jibe you when you put on what I affectionately refer to as the "Requia Hat" -- In fact, he even calls himself out when he announces he's "going to pull the other one" further back in the thread.
I'm afraid you got wrapped up in an internal narrative. It happens to the best of us.
Ah.
Well suck ass to me then. LOL
ROGER:::::::> I'm thick. Sorry. My bad I didn't see the humor for the trees.
S'ok. Just having a day, is all.
ME TOO! This day lives in infamy!!
WELL THAT WAS FUN.
HOW BOUT THEM NOW-ILLEGAL ABORTIONS, FOLKS?
AIN'T THEM SOMETHIN'?
uh...
Back to the original story, an update:
QuoteMcCormack has three children ages 2, 11 and 17. She could not be reached by phone and it was unclear if she had retained an attorney.
If convicted, she faces up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
http://www.idahopress.com/news/state/article_af96d919-7f3f-5969-8c77-bc918b3cc2b5.html
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 08:23:58 PM
WELL THAT WAS FUN.
HOW BOUT THEM NOW-ILLEGAL ABORTIONS, FOLKS?
AIN'T THEM SOMETHIN'?
uh...
I reckon they should all go to Mexico to get their abortions.
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
Back to the original story, an update:
QuoteMcCormack has three children ages 2, 11 and 17. She could not be reached by phone and it was unclear if she had retained an attorney.
If convicted, she faces up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
http://www.idahopress.com/news/state/article_af96d919-7f3f-5969-8c77-bc918b3cc2b5.html
Fucking hell. Amazing how fast sympathy and support for someone can change to disgust and disdain.
A fucking box on the porch?
:vom:
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 08:31:20 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
Back to the original story, an update:
QuoteMcCormack has three children ages 2, 11 and 17. She could not be reached by phone and it was unclear if she had retained an attorney.
If convicted, she faces up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
http://www.idahopress.com/news/state/article_af96d919-7f3f-5969-8c77-bc918b3cc2b5.html
Fucking hell. Amazing how fast sympathy and support for someone can change to disgust and disdain.
A fucking box on the porch?
:vom:
What DOES one do with something like that? Idaho, in January, the ground would be frozen, no way to bury it... Toss it in the garbage?
Quote from: Cain on June 03, 2011, 08:28:35 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 08:23:58 PM
WELL THAT WAS FUN.
HOW BOUT THEM NOW-ILLEGAL ABORTIONS, FOLKS?
AIN'T THEM SOMETHIN'?
uh...
I reckon they should all go to Mexico to get their abortions.
You are a very bad man.
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 08:32:47 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 08:31:20 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
Back to the original story, an update:
QuoteMcCormack has three children ages 2, 11 and 17. She could not be reached by phone and it was unclear if she had retained an attorney.
If convicted, she faces up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
http://www.idahopress.com/news/state/article_af96d919-7f3f-5969-8c77-bc918b3cc2b5.html
Fucking hell. Amazing how fast sympathy and support for someone can change to disgust and disdain.
A fucking box on the porch?
:vom:
What DOES one do with something like that? Idaho, in January, the ground would be frozen, no way to bury it... Toss it in the garbage?
Take it to the doctor and say you aborted it in the toilet, here it is. Better than them finding it on her back porch. Or yeah, probably the garbage, but discovery of the fetus could still have been made. I'd have taken it to Planned Parenthood, even if I had to cross state lines to do it, or something like that.
Fuck Idaho.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 08:31:20 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
Back to the original story, an update:
QuoteMcCormack has three children ages 2, 11 and 17. She could not be reached by phone and it was unclear if she had retained an attorney.
If convicted, she faces up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
http://www.idahopress.com/news/state/article_af96d919-7f3f-5969-8c77-bc918b3cc2b5.html
Fucking hell. Amazing how fast sympathy and support for someone can change to disgust and disdain.
A fucking box on the porch?
:vom:
Why, yes, after a chemically-induced abortion (do you have any idea how sick she would have made herself to abort?), I'm sure she was all full of piss & vinegar to go out and hack a hole in the frozen ground.
Good thing we're not judgmental pricks or anything, right? :lulz:
yeah, that's a good point, Rog...I'd probably also have gotten someone to help me...which tells me this poor soul was so very desperate, doing this on her own. :( Sad.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 09:01:39 PM
yeah, that's a good point, Rog...I'd probably also have gotten someone to help me...which tells me this poor soul was so very desperate, doing this on her own. :( Sad.
Yep. There's precisely 2 bad guys in this story...The shitbag "friend" that ratted her out, and the population of Idaho, for electing assholes.
The sale of black kohosh is going to SKYROCKET. (And the sale of similar herbs, until they are outlawed.)
I wish they would let me yank my reproductive bits but since I'm only thirty and don't have any kids, they won't because it's "not in my best interests".
God damn. GOD DAMN. This sucks so much.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 03, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
The sale of black kohosh is going to SKYROCKET. (And the sale of similar herbs, until they are outlawed.)
I wish they would let me yank my reproductive bits but since I'm only thirty and don't have any kids, they won't because it's "not in my best interests".
God damn. GOD DAMN. This sucks so much.
Just more proof that it's not really your body.
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 03, 2011, 09:41:09 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 03, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
The sale of black kohosh is going to SKYROCKET. (And the sale of similar herbs, until they are outlawed.)
I wish they would let me yank my reproductive bits but since I'm only thirty and don't have any kids, they won't because it's "not in my best interests".
God damn. GOD DAMN. This sucks so much.
Just more proof that it's not really your body.
Women just borrow their bodies from Jesus to make little soldiers. :)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 09:46:21 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 03, 2011, 09:41:09 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 03, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
The sale of black kohosh is going to SKYROCKET. (And the sale of similar herbs, until they are outlawed.)
I wish they would let me yank my reproductive bits but since I'm only thirty and don't have any kids, they won't because it's "not in my best interests".
God damn. GOD DAMN. This sucks so much.
Just more proof that it's not really your body.
Women just borrow their bodies from Jesus to make little soldiers. :)
YOINK.
Nnnnnnnnnnnnngggh... :x
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 09:04:11 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 09:01:39 PM
yeah, that's a good point, Rog...I'd probably also have gotten someone to help me...which tells me this poor soul was so very desperate, doing this on her own. :( Sad.
Yep. There's precisely 2 bad guys in this story...The shitbag "friend" that ratted her out, and the population of Idaho, for electing assholes.
First let me just say that I'm "pro choice" Hell, I'm pro abortion, and if you don't think you should put another person on this planet and become pregnant, then I think you should be provided the option to terminate the pregnancy free of charge. Subsidize the procedure at the federal level. (BUT WAIT AREN'T YOU LIBERTARIAN?!?! :lulz:)
Better we be still allowed to choose ourselves than get to the point where the state decides for us because we can no longer support the population.
That being said, this woman clearly has great decision making skills if she already has 3 children she's likely struggling to support, has MORE sex without birth control (speculation, I know, but really.. if even ONE of those children was conceived in spite of using even just a condom, she's beat some pretty fucking long odds.) and then puts her other children at risk by leaving the damn thing to ROT IN HER HOUSE before moving it to the back porch. She should have called someone.
Her children should not be punished for her bad decisions, but they will be now. She should have called the guy who got her pregnant or barring that, got help from her sister for the remains, called an ambulance, done anything but leave it to rot. Hell, her sister bought the damn pills for her, where was she when it was done?
I know I'm going to get shit on for this post and we'll have to just agree to disagree but I'm finding it difficult to have sympathy for her after the box thing. Leaving rotting flesh (call it embryonic, call it human, doesn't matter), to ROT IN HER HOUSE (I don't think I can stress that enough) puts her children's life and health at risk, but clearly that wasn't a concern for her.
I want to side with you on this Rev. She obviously needed some help, realized she wouldn't be able to support 4 children. I get that, I really do, but it's pretty clear she really needed more help than that if her solution was to bag it up and leave it in the house.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 09:04:11 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 09:01:39 PM
yeah, that's a good point, Rog...I'd probably also have gotten someone to help me...which tells me this poor soul was so very desperate, doing this on her own. :( Sad.
Yep. There's precisely 2 bad guys in this story...The shitbag "friend" that ratted her out, and the population of Idaho, for electing assholes.
First let me just say that I'm "pro choice" Hell, I'm pro abortion, and if you don't think you should put another person on this planet and become pregnant, then I think you should be provided the option to terminate the pregnancy free of charge. Subsidize the procedure at the federal level. (BUT WAIT AREN'T YOU LIBERTARIAN?!?! :lulz:)
Better we be still allowed to choose ourselves than get to the point where the state decides for us because we can no longer support the population.
That being said, this woman clearly has great decision making skills if she already has 3 children she's likely struggling to support, has MORE sex without birth control (speculation, I know, but really.. if even ONE of those children was conceived in spite of using even just a condom, she's beat some pretty fucking long odds.) and then puts her other children at risk by leaving the damn thing to ROT IN HER HOUSE before moving it to the back porch. She should have called someone.
Her children should not be punished for her bad decisions, but they will be now. She should have called the guy who got her pregnant or barring that, got help from her sister for the remains, called an ambulance, done anything but leave it to rot. Hell, her sister bought the damn pills for her, where was she when it was done?
I know I'm going to get shit on for this post and we'll have to just agree to disagree but I'm finding it difficult to have sympathy for her after the box thing. Leaving rotting flesh (call it embryonic, call it human, doesn't matter), to ROT IN HER HOUSE (I don't think I can stress that enough) puts her children's life and health at risk, but clearly that wasn't a concern for her.
I want to side with you on this Rev. She obviously needed some help, realized she wouldn't be able to support 4 children. I get that, I really do, but it's pretty clear she really needed more help than that if her solution was to bag it up and leave it in the house.
My initial kneejerk reaction to this was, "You're a fucking idiot."
Then I considered it, considered that the woman knew she couldn't take care of another child. Considered what she probably went through leading up to being forced into this situation by antiquated, religious driven laws ans self righteous rich idiots. Then I considered that due to the pills, she probably wasn't able to even think straight. Then I realized that she simply failed to live up to your fucking morals.
Then I decided that you're a fucking idiot.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 09:59:38 PM
That being said, this woman clearly has great decision making skills if she already has 3 children she's likely struggling to support, has MORE sex without birth control (speculation, I know, but really.. if even ONE of those children was conceived in spite of using even just a condom, she's beat some pretty fucking long odds.) and then puts her other children at risk by leaving the damn thing to ROT IN HER HOUSE before moving it to the back porch. She should have called someone.
1. So we should plan things to accomodate those with good decision-making skills? You might consider taking a look around you.
2. "Hello, police? Would you please come take away my illegal abortion?" :lulz:
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 09:59:38 PM
Her children should not be punished for her bad decisions, but they will be now. She should have called the guy who got her pregnant or barring that, got help from her sister for the remains, called an ambulance, done anything but leave it to rot. Hell, her sister bought the damn pills for her, where was she when it was done?
Yes, her sister worked out SO well for her, that she's going to jail (presumably because her sister has a big mouth and shitty friends). The father? Is he even around? The ambulance? OFF TO JAIL, LADY!
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 09:59:38 PM
I know I'm going to get shit on for this post and we'll have to just agree to disagree but I'm finding it difficult to have sympathy for her after the box thing. Leaving rotting flesh (call it embryonic, call it human, doesn't matter), to ROT IN HER HOUSE (I don't think I can stress that enough) puts her children's life and health at risk, but clearly that wasn't a concern for her.
Nothing rots on a porch in Idaho in January. Frozen tissue is going to make her kids sick?
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 09:59:38 PM
I want to side with you on this Rev. She obviously needed some help, realized she wouldn't be able to support 4 children. I get that, I really do, but it's pretty clear she really needed more help than that if her solution was to bag it up and leave it in the house.
More help? This lady has been "helped" about as much as is possible without handing her over to the WBC for summary burning at the stake.
State/Local help gets her in prison.
Her sister worked out really well.
The man who knocked her up? Was he there?
This is the wonderful world of back alley abortions that we got rid of in 1972. It's back.
But it's easier to get outraged over a frozen chunk of biomass than The Law, right? Right right right? It's all about personal responsibility, and if we have to have a million women in jail to make it happen, isn't that a small price to pay?
:lulz:
Come on Roger, the slutty bitch deserves it.
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 03, 2011, 10:12:20 PM
Come on Roger, the slutty bitch deserves it.
Your sarcasm is noted. However, Charley, you should consider that 99.995% of humans act in a responsible fashion at all times, and those who don't should be left out on an ice floe, to encourage the others to greater levels of rationalism.
Of course, the problem with that is that bodies exposed to extreme cold tend to rot and spread germs, and it would kill off all the baby polar bears.
:cry:
It's hard, being an objectivist.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 03, 2011, 10:12:20 PM
Come on Roger, the slutty bitch deserves it.
Your sarcasm is noted. However, Charley, you should consider that 99.995% of humans act in a responsible fashion at all times, and those who don't should be left out on an ice floe, to encourage the others to greater levels of rationalism.
Of course, the problem with that is that bodies exposed to extreme cold tend to rot and spread germs, and it would kill off all the baby polar bears.
:cry:
It's hard, being an objectivist.
Yes, I tend to forget that humans are always responsible and perfect.
Now, not personally being in that 99.995% it is easy fro me to forget such things.
What concerns me most, is what is global warming going to do with the ice floes? When they are all gone what will we do with people like me who need to be used as an example of bad things?
Perhaps feed us live to the baby polar bears? Would that be considered cruelty? Poisoning those poor babies with the bile of such unclean humanity?
I'm out. I'm in a good mood and don't have it in me today to go back and forth on this with you Rev.
We disagree on a particular part of this but not the entire thing. She shouldn't go to jail and fuck her kids up more than she already has. The article clearly says she moved it to the porch when it began to smell and I'm pretty sure that's a sign of rot.
Charley: I like you're writing. I appreciate it when you provide a well thought out response. You haven't provided one ITT.
And I only ever claimed to lean libertarian. I've never once said I'm an objectivist.
have a good weekend gents
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 03, 2011, 10:21:34 PM
What concerns me most, is what is global warming going to do with the ice floes? When they are all gone what will we do with people like me who need to be used as an example of bad things?
Well, there's an empty house in Idaho, now, and that porch should do nicely.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 10:23:13 PM
I'm out. I'm in a good mood and don't have it in me today to go back and forth on this with you Rev.
We disagree on a particular part of this but not the entire thing. She shouldn't go to jail and fuck her kids up more than she already has. The article clearly says she moved it to the porch when it began to smell and I'm pretty sure that's a sign of rot.
Charley: I like you're writing. I appreciate it when you provide a well thought out response. You haven't provided one ITT.
And I only ever claimed to lean libertarian. I've never once said I'm an objectivist.
have a good weekend gents
I hurted your feewings?
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 10:23:13 PM
And I only ever claimed to lean libertarian. I've never once said I'm an objectivist.
I am unaware of any practical difference.
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 03, 2011, 10:25:27 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 10:23:13 PM
I'm out. I'm in a good mood and don't have it in me today to go back and forth on this with you Rev.
We disagree on a particular part of this but not the entire thing. She shouldn't go to jail and fuck her kids up more than she already has. The article clearly says she moved it to the porch when it began to smell and I'm pretty sure that's a sign of rot.
Charley: I like you're writing. I appreciate it when you provide a well thought out response. You haven't provided one ITT.
And I only ever claimed to lean libertarian. I've never once said I'm an objectivist.
have a good weekend gents
I hurted your feewings?
na, you didn't. I don't take this shit personally even if you mean it to be. In fact, I did a bit of quick research on abortion laws in Idaho and you're right, they have it pretty fucking backwards. She would have likely had her back up against a wall no matter what.
I concede that. She was probably fucked either way.
Sad fucking story.
Pickle - really gone this time.
I can never get a libertarian to hang around. :cry:
Maybe it's my deoderant.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 10:33:48 PM
I can never get a libertarian to hang around. :cry:
Maybe it's my deoderant.
Yeah, Reality™ deoderant tends to burn the nostrils of some people.
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 03, 2011, 10:36:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 10:33:48 PM
I can never get a libertarian to hang around. :cry:
Maybe it's my deoderant.
Yeah, Reality™ deoderant tends to burn the nostrils of some people.
Ny Holy Stench™ CAN get a little overpowering.
Much like a box on the porch in a cold, cold Idaho winter.
:lulz:
We are bad people, you and I.
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 03, 2011, 10:38:52 PM
We are bad people, you and I.
Comes with age.
Just wait til all these kids get our age. There won't be a kid on a lawn in America.
Or England, if they had lawns.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:45:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 04:39:48 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:28:09 PM
Nothing Mexico likes better than American cash.
The Mexican-American War begs to disagree.
That was WHEN? :lulz:
Okay. If the American government tried to buy Baja California today, do you expect the Mexican government or Mexican people would fall all over themselves to sell?
No need. Americans already own most of Baja. :lulz:
I'd also like to point out to DP that in reality, the failure rate of condoms if they're used perfectly is around 3 or 4%. Normal use yields a failure rate closer to 10%. Not really that difficult to get knocked up in spite of a condom if you're having sex regularly during your ovulation window. Especially if the father is likely some backwoods dickwit who probably just made a show of opening the condom wrapper before tossing the whole thing in the ashtray and raw-dogging it until the cows came home.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 03, 2011, 10:21:34 PM
What concerns me most, is what is global warming going to do with the ice floes? When they are all gone what will we do with people like me who need to be used as an example of bad things?
Well, there's an empty house in Idaho, now, and that porch should do nicely.
You can buy an entire block in Detroit for $100.
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 08:31:20 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
Back to the original story, an update:
QuoteMcCormack has three children ages 2, 11 and 17. She could not be reached by phone and it was unclear if she had retained an attorney.
If convicted, she faces up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
http://www.idahopress.com/news/state/article_af96d919-7f3f-5969-8c77-bc918b3cc2b5.html
Fucking hell. Amazing how fast sympathy and support for someone can change to disgust and disdain.
A fucking box on the porch?
:vom:
Really? You complete and utter sack of shit?
What should she have done with it? My friend buried her miscarriage in the herb garden. Most women flush them because WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WITH THAT??? WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
You are an asshole unworthy of conversing with any of us.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:45:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 04:39:48 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:28:09 PM
Nothing Mexico likes better than American cash.
The Mexican-American War begs to disagree.
That was WHEN? :lulz:
Okay. If the American government tried to buy Baja California today, do you expect the Mexican government or Mexican people would fall all over themselves to sell?
It's pretty hard to buy property in Mexico. I know; I've tried. And I have a friend who moved to Mexico six years ago and not only can't buy property, but keeps finding dead people on her doorstep.
What's going to be awesome is when people with PCOS and similar issues start having more spontaneous miscarriages because all manner of birth control are taboo. People will be convinced there's a rash of crazy women ditching their fetuses for the fun of it, not that there's a portion of the female population with bodies that cannot support viable offspring.
Man. I keep having one crazy extreme dystopian thought after another regarding this subject.
Customers at my work want to know when I'm going to grow up and shit out a sprog. Docs won't fix me until I have a few kids or I hit 40. My family has been pissed at me since I was 16 and refused to drop out of school to get married and start spawning.
I wonder if I would have been arrested when I miscarried while in college.
I wonder if they're going to make it mandatory for gender-dysphoric people or F2M to undergo hormone therapies to 'normalize' them for breeding purposes.
I wonder why my eye is twitching.
Quote from: Cain on June 03, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 05:31:32 PM
Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half. Hearts are very tough. You couldn't do this. No.
It's true. All muscle and....blood. Anyone who watched the last episode of A Game Of Thrones knows just how difficult eating a whole raw heart can be, too.
I eat hearts on a regular basis (they're getting harder to find, BTW) and they really take pressure-cooking for a few hours to be tender.
With mustard.
Nothing like a heart sandwich.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 01:29:49 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 08:31:20 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
Back to the original story, an update:
QuoteMcCormack has three children ages 2, 11 and 17. She could not be reached by phone and it was unclear if she had retained an attorney.
If convicted, she faces up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
http://www.idahopress.com/news/state/article_af96d919-7f3f-5969-8c77-bc918b3cc2b5.html
Fucking hell. Amazing how fast sympathy and support for someone can change to disgust and disdain.
A fucking box on the porch?
:vom:
Really? You complete and utter sack of shit?
What should she have done with it? My friend buried her miscarriage in the herb garden. Most women flush them because WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WITH THAT??? WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
You are an asshole unworthy of conversing with any of us.
Depending on what she took, it could have tripled the pain of a miscarriage and the depression that comes with it - not to mention the guilt and stress and horror she was feeling for the choice she made.
It's a tough place to be in, DiscoPickle. I hope you're never in a spot like that.
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 08:01:09 PM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 05:37:03 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 03, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
Roger: I'm not talking about land ownership. I'm talking about obtaining goods and services over the border that are cheaper in Mexico at the expense of the average Mexican.
So I'm not sure why you are disagreeing with me.
Not to sound combative but that's a bit of a simplified statement.
Despite watching for decades (70+ years) as the same political party fraudulently "won" elections and gave political favors to supporters of the party, the population at large made little effort to remove the PRI.
It's only been in the last few decades that there's been any real move to take PRI out of power and provide some level of check and balance that should have already existed given the system of government since the Revolution. I think we'll see a lot more positive changes come about by having real competition in their political process and a very enthusiastic youth movement. And foreign investment capital returning to the country after their last major crisis should be seen as a good thing.
Change probably will happen slowly, but fixing nearly 3/4 of a century of systemic corruption at all levels of government is a lot to have to reverse.
I didn't really make that qualitative of a statement on the American dollars being funneled into Mexico. In point of fact, I've always been very PRO-American support of the Mexican economy. For those who complain about Mexicans working "our jobs" over here, I've usually replied that I think we should do MORE to improve Mexico, so that it continues to improve.
Yes, I stated an oversimplification, but it doesn't remove the fact that the majority of Mexicans are still 1) poor 2) uneducated 3) malnourished, and that luxury items are still bought there cheaply by Americans, and luxury services are still obtained much more cheaply over THERE than they are HERE, and USUALLY at the expense of the very poor. Even if they're not available, for whatever reason, to the average Mexican citizen on the street.
I think investment in Mexico is a great thing, a wonderful thing. And I totally believe and know well that the corruption in Mexico's government is rife. AND I totally think government, the drug cartels and big business IN Mexico is to blame for the continuing plight of the average Mexican Juan.
I'm frustrated that Roger characterized what I said as "all Mexicans want is $$$" because that's not what I meant. I meant that your average hard-working yet still poverty-level guy in Mexico can't get in goods and services what your very-average American Joe CAN. Because the powers that be in Mexico set it up that way.
What I meant by those who are disenfranchised by OUR states' laws and can't get what they want will come to Mexico to get it, and get it cheaper, than they can in Mexico, because though its own citizens might be denied access to it, unofficially and with the proper bribes, your average Westernized citizen won't. Right now, there's plenty of our elderly and retirees down in Mexico getting cheap-ass (for us) premium health care at privatized hospitals. Health care that would cost them tens to hundreds of thousands here. They've made whole retirement communities along the Mexican coastline for this purpose. You think the average Mexican "retiree" has the best health care they can get?
Will someone PLEASE tell me where this, what I'm saying above, goes wrong? Aside from the usual "you're making assumptions, blah blah"? Living on the border as I do, and the amount of people I see who hail from Mexico proper, day to day, sort of makes me feel like I know this situation pretty fucking well.
Whatever. I don't have time for this. Right now, it seems:
(http://www.nataliedee.com/053111/dumber-than-a-sack-of-pillows.jpg)
Stop! You're BOTH right!
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 01:29:49 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 08:31:20 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
Back to the original story, an update:
QuoteMcCormack has three children ages 2, 11 and 17. She could not be reached by phone and it was unclear if she had retained an attorney.
If convicted, she faces up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
http://www.idahopress.com/news/state/article_af96d919-7f3f-5969-8c77-bc918b3cc2b5.html
Fucking hell. Amazing how fast sympathy and support for someone can change to disgust and disdain.
A fucking box on the porch?
:vom:
Really? You complete and utter sack of shit?
What should she have done with it? My friend buried her miscarriage in the herb garden. Most women flush them because WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WITH THAT??? WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
You are an asshole unworthy of conversing with any of us.
You forgot to add: "because you don't completely agree with what we think about it"
Noted that dissenting opinions are unwelcome at PD, at least according to Nigel.
No further replies should come from me tonight ITT.
From FB
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Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 04, 2011, 03:42:57 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 01:29:49 AM
Quote from: Disco Pickle on June 03, 2011, 08:31:20 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 03, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
Back to the original story, an update:
QuoteMcCormack has three children ages 2, 11 and 17. She could not be reached by phone and it was unclear if she had retained an attorney.
If convicted, she faces up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.
http://www.idahopress.com/news/state/article_af96d919-7f3f-5969-8c77-bc918b3cc2b5.html
Fucking hell. Amazing how fast sympathy and support for someone can change to disgust and disdain.
A fucking box on the porch?
:vom:
Really? You complete and utter sack of shit?
What should she have done with it? My friend buried her miscarriage in the herb garden. Most women flush them because WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WITH THAT??? WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
You are an asshole unworthy of conversing with any of us.
You forgot to add: "because you don't completely agree with what we think about it"
Noted that dissenting opinions are unwelcome at PD, at least according to Nigel.
No further replies should come from me tonight ITT.
AHAHAHAHAHA
I AM the dissenting opinion at least half the time. What, can't defend your position? Gotta play the whiny oppressed bitch card? SACK UP, PITIFUL WEAKLING.
If you can't defend your position using actual logical arguments, at least have the scrotal fortitude to accept that your shit got manned down. I mean, I do when I'm full of shit, and I don't even HAVE scrotes.
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 04, 2011, 06:43:32 AM
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You gotta love people who view babies as a commodity such as rice or gasoline.
Oh wait! No you don't.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 07:13:42 AM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 04, 2011, 06:43:32 AM
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You gotta love people who view babies as a commodity such as rice or gasoline.
Oh wait! No you don't.
I think you should love them, Nigel. With your steel toed stompy boots.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 01:39:45 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 03, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 05:31:32 PM
Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half. Hearts are very tough. You couldn't do this. No.
It's true. All muscle and....blood. Anyone who watched the last episode of A Game Of Thrones knows just how difficult eating a whole raw heart can be, too.
I eat hearts on a regular basis (they're getting harder to find, BTW) and they really take pressure-cooking for a few hours to be tender.
With mustard.
Nothing like a heart sandwich.
That's because of the Twilight fandom.
Although now the GoT fandom will likely try and get in on the act as well. Invest in hearts now, before the supply dries up completely.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 01:39:45 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 03, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 05:31:32 PM
Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half. Hearts are very tough. You couldn't do this. No.
It's true. All muscle and....blood. Anyone who watched the last episode of A Game Of Thrones knows just how difficult eating a whole raw heart can be, too.
I eat hearts on a regular basis (they're getting harder to find, BTW) and they really take pressure-cooking for a few hours to be tender.
With mustard.
Nothing like a heart sandwich.
:crankey: You put MUSTARD on that sh--- I mean, oh? Is it tasty?
steak sauce or bust
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 04, 2011, 07:22:49 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 07:13:42 AM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 04, 2011, 06:43:32 AM
From FB
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You gotta love people who view babies as a commodity such as rice or gasoline.
Oh wait! No you don't.
I think you should love them, Nigel. With your steel toed stompy boots.
So... Force women to have babies so other people can adopt... The people who HAVEN'T adopted the over 100,000 kids sitting in the foster care system waiting for parents, because all these paragons want to adopt is cute little babies...
Riiight.
Quote from: Cain on June 04, 2011, 09:03:48 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 01:39:45 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 03, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 05:31:32 PM
Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half. Hearts are very tough. You couldn't do this. No.
It's true. All muscle and....blood. Anyone who watched the last episode of A Game Of Thrones knows just how difficult eating a whole raw heart can be, too.
I eat hearts on a regular basis (they're getting harder to find, BTW) and they really take pressure-cooking for a few hours to be tender.
With mustard.
Nothing like a heart sandwich.
That's because of the Twilight fandom.
Although now the GoT fandom will likely try and get in on the act as well. Invest in hearts now, before the supply dries up completely.
FUCK. :crankey:
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on June 04, 2011, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 01:39:45 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 03, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 05:31:32 PM
Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half. Hearts are very tough. You couldn't do this. No.
It's true. All muscle and....blood. Anyone who watched the last episode of A Game Of Thrones knows just how difficult eating a whole raw heart can be, too.
I eat hearts on a regular basis (they're getting harder to find, BTW) and they really take pressure-cooking for a few hours to be tender.
With mustard.
Nothing like a heart sandwich.
:crankey: You put MUSTARD on that sh--- I mean, oh? Is it tasty?
steak sauce or bust
IT'S DELICIOUS!
Yummy pungent brown mustard.
Quote from: Luna on June 04, 2011, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 04, 2011, 07:22:49 AM
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You gotta love people who view babies as a commodity such as rice or gasoline.
Oh wait! No you don't.
I think you should love them, Nigel. With your steel toed stompy boots.
So... Force women to have babies so other people can adopt... The people who HAVEN'T adopted the over 100,000 kids sitting in the foster care system waiting for parents, because all these paragons want to adopt is cute little babies...
Riiight.
Yes, exactly. Not to mention the wisdom of handing a kid over to someone who views human beings as a commodity.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 04, 2011, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 04, 2011, 07:22:49 AM
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You gotta love people who view babies as a commodity such as rice or gasoline.
Oh wait! No you don't.
I think you should love them, Nigel. With your steel toed stompy boots.
So... Force women to have babies so other people can adopt... The people who HAVEN'T adopted the over 100,000 kids sitting in the foster care system waiting for parents, because all these paragons want to adopt is cute little babies...
Riiight.
Yes, exactly. Not to mention the wisdom of handing a kid over to someone who views human beings as a commodity.
I'm sure people who want to adopt don't necessarily view humans as commodities. Note that it's always "someone" who wants to adopt, you never hear an anti-choice protester say, "please don't abort that baby, *I* will adopt him or her."
Rather, I wouldn't want to hand off an infant to prospective parents who only want a perfect, brand-new human, rather one with a few years and problems pre-installed... Babies don't grow up into perfect humans because their parents (biological or otherwise) have read all the right books and do all the right things, and anybody hoping to adopt the "perfect" child that they can grow up into the perfect, dutiful son or daughter is so detatched from reality that I'd consider them a danger to that kid.
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I think I botched my delivery.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 01:39:45 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 03, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 05:31:32 PM
Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half. Hearts are very tough. You couldn't do this. No.
It's true. All muscle and....blood. Anyone who watched the last episode of A Game Of Thrones knows just how difficult eating a whole raw heart can be, too.
I eat hearts on a regular basis (they're getting harder to find, BTW) and they really take pressure-cooking for a few hours to be tender.
With mustard.
Nothing like a heart sandwich.
Fubonn has them all the time. Over in the "stuff that's weird even for asians" section of the meat department by the pig blood and the cock combs.
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 04, 2011, 04:06:22 PM
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I think I botched my delivery.
I'm'a be visiting your facebook page today. In fact, I am bringing my tablet to the beach today for that very purpose.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 04, 2011, 04:51:43 PM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 01:39:45 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 03, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 03, 2011, 05:31:32 PM
Except Cain, who could bite your heart in half. Hearts are very tough. You couldn't do this. No.
It's true. All muscle and....blood. Anyone who watched the last episode of A Game Of Thrones knows just how difficult eating a whole raw heart can be, too.
I eat hearts on a regular basis (they're getting harder to find, BTW) and they really take pressure-cooking for a few hours to be tender.
With mustard.
Nothing like a heart sandwich.
Fubonn has them all the time. Over in the "stuff that's weird even for asians" section of the meat department by the pig blood and the cock combs.
Fubonn is Really Far Away.
You used to be able to get beef heart at Safeway and Fred Meyer, but I haven't seen it at either in ages. :(
Fubonn is really far away? I think your heart just isn't in it.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 04, 2011, 05:44:13 PM
Fubonn is really far away? I think your heart just isn't in it.
:argh!:
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Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 04, 2011, 04:06:22 PM
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I think I botched my delivery.
I'm'a be visiting your facebook page today. In fact, I am bringing my tablet to the beach today for that very purpose.
That's on the page of a friend of a friend who shared that link after I posted it.
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RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEE
That little idiot got me so pissed I am now ranting on my real FB page. This will not end well.
Wow, that little twit is a fucking moron. I would hope she finds herself with an unwanted pregnancy but nobody deserves her as a mother.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 06:54:54 PM
Wow, that little twit is a fucking moron. I would hope she finds herself with an unwanted pregnancy but nobody deserves her as a mother.
She'd abort. Because HER case is DIFFERENT, you see...
Quote from: Luna on June 04, 2011, 07:02:38 PM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 06:54:54 PM
Wow, that little twit is a fucking moron. I would hope she finds herself with an unwanted pregnancy but nobody deserves her as a mother.
She'd abort. Because HER case is DIFFERENT, you see...
They always make exceptions for themselves. Fucking hypocritical cunts.
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Tell Tanya there are plenty more, time to step up.
The fucking logic of "women shouldn't have abortions because some women can't have babies" is so retarded it's beyond comprehension. It's like these assholes came pre-lobotomized.
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Tell Tanya there are plenty more, time to step up.
Yeah, but she'd have to settle for a
brown baby.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 07:24:31 PM
The fucking logic of "women shouldn't have abortions because some women can't have babies" is so retarded it's beyond comprehension. It's like these assholes came pre-lobotomized.
Or "I LOST MY BABY SO YOU CAN'T ABORT YOURS EVER!!!!!!"
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
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Tell Tanya there are plenty more, time to step up.
Yeah, but she'd have to settle for a brown baby.
Both of them are white, conservative Christians. One of them works at Wal-mart, looks like the stereotypical Teabagger, and is (I think) from my home town, which is filled with a lot of white, conservative Christians.
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 04, 2011, 07:27:45 PM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 07:24:31 PM
The fucking logic of "women shouldn't have abortions because some women can't have babies" is so retarded it's beyond comprehension. It's like these assholes came pre-lobotomized.
Or "I LOST MY BABY SO YOU CAN'T ABORT YOURS EVER!!!!!!"
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 04, 2011, 07:11:07 PM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 04, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
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Tell Tanya there are plenty more, time to step up.
Yeah, but she'd have to settle for a brown baby.
Both of them are white, conservative Christians. One of them works at Wal-mart, looks like the stereotypical Teabagger, and is (I think) from my home town, which is filled with a lot of white, conservative Christians.
And I'm sure that both of them would have aggressive fertility treatments in order to have a "miracle baby" rather than adopt a poor brown kid.
Personally, I am fine with people like that being sterile.
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 04, 2011, 07:38:34 PM
Personally, I am fine with people like that being sterile.
Me too.
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 04, 2011, 07:38:34 PM
Personally, I am fine with people like that being sterile.
Yeah, I'm gonna go with "God aborted your baby because he knows you're unfit to be a mother" on that one.
"considering the baby was about the same along as I was when I lost mine".
Everything about that sentence is an abortion of the English language, and the logic behind it is nonexistent.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 07:42:22 PM
"considering the baby was about the same along as I was when I lost mine".
Everything about that sentence is an abortion of the English language, and the logic behind it is nonexistent.
The parody in your statement is not lost on me. :lulz:
:thanks:
Their pubes need to be fused together, causing an eternal tug-of-war between the left and right sides.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 03, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
The sale of black kohosh is going to SKYROCKET. (And the sale of similar herbs, until they are outlawed.)
I wish they would let me yank my reproductive bits but since I'm only thirty and don't have any kids, they won't because it's "not in my best interests".
God damn. GOD DAMN. This sucks so much.
pennyroyal too I expect.
I'm glad they let me get my bits snipped. I did already have a kid though, so perhaps that made it easier.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2011, 12:56:19 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 03, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
The sale of black kohosh is going to SKYROCKET. (And the sale of similar herbs, until they are outlawed.)
I wish they would let me yank my reproductive bits but since I'm only thirty and don't have any kids, they won't because it's "not in my best interests".
God damn. GOD DAMN. This sucks so much.
pennyroyal too I expect.
I'm glad they let me get my bits snipped. I did already have a kid though, so perhaps that made it easier.
No, it's because you're a man.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 05, 2011, 01:04:04 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2011, 12:56:19 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 03, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
The sale of black kohosh is going to SKYROCKET. (And the sale of similar herbs, until they are outlawed.)
I wish they would let me yank my reproductive bits but since I'm only thirty and don't have any kids, they won't because it's "not in my best interests".
God damn. GOD DAMN. This sucks so much.
pennyroyal too I expect.
I'm glad they let me get my bits snipped. I did already have a kid though, so perhaps that made it easier.
No, it's because you're a man.
yeah, it's a minor, in office procedure. Much simpler than a tubal.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2011, 01:19:18 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 05, 2011, 01:04:04 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2011, 12:56:19 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 03, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
The sale of black kohosh is going to SKYROCKET. (And the sale of similar herbs, until they are outlawed.)
I wish they would let me yank my reproductive bits but since I'm only thirty and don't have any kids, they won't because it's "not in my best interests".
God damn. GOD DAMN. This sucks so much.
pennyroyal too I expect.
I'm glad they let me get my bits snipped. I did already have a kid though, so perhaps that made it easier.
No, it's because you're a man.
yeah, it's a minor, in office procedure. Much simpler than a tubal.
The ease of the procedure has absolutely nothing to do with it. The new procedure for women is non-surgical, non-invasive, and is also an outpatient procedure. It's that doctors won't sterilize young women who don't have kids, but have no problems sterilizing men in the same situation. It's a pretty fucked up double standard.
It makes NO sense. Reversible sterilization regardless of gender should be a basic right, and it should be a free procedure that would be recommended to people until they WANTED kids.
Quote from: Jasper on June 05, 2011, 02:04:39 AM
It makes NO sense. Reversible sterilization regardless of gender should be a basic right, and it should be a free procedure that would be recommended to people until they WANTED kids.
Exactly.
Quote from: Jasper on June 05, 2011, 02:04:39 AM
It makes NO sense. Reversible sterilization regardless of gender should be a basic right, and it should be a free procedure that would be recommended to people until they WANTED kids.
For reversible sterilization for both sexes to be a right, first it would have to exist. Unfortunately, sterilization methods currently known to medical science are not easily or predictably reversible.
. . .
Everything I set out to post in this thread fills me with so much rage and angst and desire to set things on fire that I get distracted from the essence of what I want to say.
Which is pretty much that this situation is so far wrong it mistakes a motorcycle for a rickshaw.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 04, 2011, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 04, 2011, 07:22:49 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 07:13:42 AM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 04, 2011, 06:43:32 AM
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You gotta love people who view babies as a commodity such as rice or gasoline.
Oh wait! No you don't.
I think you should love them, Nigel. With your steel toed stompy boots.
So... Force women to have babies so other people can adopt... The people who HAVEN'T adopted the over 100,000 kids sitting in the foster care system waiting for parents, because all these paragons want to adopt is cute little babies...
Riiight.
Yes, exactly. Not to mention the wisdom of handing a kid over to someone who views human beings as a commodity.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to adopt a baby if there's one available and you find him/her.
I was adopted.
Quote from: Your Mom on June 05, 2011, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: Jasper on June 05, 2011, 02:04:39 AM
It makes NO sense. Reversible sterilization regardless of gender should be a basic right, and it should be a free procedure that would be recommended to people until they WANTED kids.
For reversible sterilization for both sexes to be a right, first it would have to exist. Unfortunately, sterilization methods currently known to medical science are not easily or predictably reversible.
Didn't they just invent an easily reversible sterilazation technique for men?
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on June 05, 2011, 06:39:11 AM
There's nothing wrong with wanting to adopt a baby if there's one available and you find him/her.
I was adopted.
I don't think the issue is with adoption, at least in my eyes it isn't. My boys' godfather is adopted and if I ever wanted more than two children I would have adopted. A girl I used to caretake for was part of a family of special needs kids adopted because the mother wanted to give children with special needs a loving home. I've been a foster mom, unofficially I admit but the teenager was placed with me by CPS and she's still like a daughter to me in many ways. The problem is that there are people out there who want kids and can't or won't have them, but will only take brand new babies when there are thousands of kids out there who need a loving forever home.
I don't know your story, but your birth mom made the choice to let you go to a family that could care for you. Some mothers wouldn't be able to make that choice once they had the child so the choice is to abort or to keep the child. If they know they can't manage a(nother) child for whatever reason then abortion makes sense, but the situation here is abhorrent. She should have been able to go to a doctor and be taken care of during such a hard emotional time rather than resorting to what she did. Beyond that she ought to have had the support network to take care of her during and afterwards so that she wouldn't have been left alone with no idea what to do after it happened. I don't agree with the her choices after the fact, but at the same point I have never been in that situation and it was obviously a desperate choice and a desperate decision. I have no idea what I would have actually done if I had been in her shoes in that state.
The whole story makes me sad that anyone would ever end up in such a horrid position from the get go.
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on June 05, 2011, 06:39:11 AM
There's nothing wrong with wanting to adopt a baby if there's one available and you find him/her.
I was adopted.
True. However, if these parents that "really want a child" actually really wanted a child, they'd've adopted one already. There are THOUSANDS of children in the system waiting. The objection isn't to adoption, it's to the concept of forcing women to carry children to be adopted by people who have failed to adopt the kids who are already in need.
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on June 05, 2011, 06:39:11 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 04, 2011, 11:10:54 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 04, 2011, 07:22:49 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 04, 2011, 07:13:42 AM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 04, 2011, 06:43:32 AM
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You gotta love people who view babies as a commodity such as rice or gasoline.
Oh wait! No you don't.
I think you should love them, Nigel. With your steel toed stompy boots.
So... Force women to have babies so other people can adopt... The people who HAVEN'T adopted the over 100,000 kids sitting in the foster care system waiting for parents, because all these paragons want to adopt is cute little babies...
Riiight.
Yes, exactly. Not to mention the wisdom of handing a kid over to someone who views human beings as a commodity.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to adopt a baby if there's one available and you find him/her.
I was adopted.
I know a lot of people who were adopted and have great parents. But in this case I'm talking about those particular stupid little bitches.
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on June 05, 2011, 06:40:17 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on June 05, 2011, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: Jasper on June 05, 2011, 02:04:39 AM
It makes NO sense. Reversible sterilization regardless of gender should be a basic right, and it should be a free procedure that would be recommended to people until they WANTED kids.
For reversible sterilization for both sexes to be a right, first it would have to exist. Unfortunately, sterilization methods currently known to medical science are not easily or predictably reversible.
Didn't they just invent an easily reversible sterilazation technique for men?
I don't know about one that's available. Link?
Quote from: Luna on June 05, 2011, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on June 05, 2011, 06:39:11 AM
There's nothing wrong with wanting to adopt a baby if there's one available and you find him/her.
I was adopted.
True. However, if these parents that "really want a child" actually really wanted a child, they'd've adopted one already. There are THOUSANDS of children in the system waiting. The objection isn't to adoption, it's to the concept of forcing women to carry children to be adopted by people who have failed to adopt the kids who are already in need.
Yes this! Thank you.
Think she meant http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29320.0 which, of course, isnt available yet, though it looks highly promising.
Quote from: Cain on June 05, 2011, 02:54:38 PM
Think she meant http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29320.0 which, of course, isnt available yet, though it looks highly promising.
Very promising...
I have to wonder, though, not having the equipment nor the mindset that goes with it... Gentlemen? Would the "they're gonna shove a
needle in my
junk" factor put you off considering this?
To be honest, it would worry me more if the injections were directly into the penis. The scrotum, not so much....but then again, I live in mortal dread of ever having children, since I'm far too irresponsible to ever bring one up. So it seems a fair trade as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: Luna on June 05, 2011, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 05, 2011, 02:54:38 PM
Think she meant http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29320.0 which, of course, isnt available yet, though it looks highly promising.
Very promising...
I have to wonder, though, not having the equipment nor the mindset that goes with it... Gentlemen? Would the "they're gonna shove a needle in my junk" factor put you off considering this?
Nope. If it were offered here I would gladly have it done.
Quote from: Luna on June 05, 2011, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 05, 2011, 02:54:38 PM
Think she meant http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29320.0 which, of course, isnt available yet, though it looks highly promising.
Very promising...
I have to wonder, though, not having the equipment nor the mindset that goes with it... Gentlemen? Would the "they're gonna shove a needle in my junk" factor put you off considering this?
A needle hurts for a couple seconds, which as I see it means you're actually saving at least 18 years of pain.
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Quote from: Luna on June 05, 2011, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 05, 2011, 02:54:38 PM
Think she meant http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29320.0 which, of course, isnt available yet, though it looks highly promising.
Very promising...
I have to wonder, though, not having the equipment nor the mindset that goes with it... Gentlemen? Would the "they're gonna shove a needle in my junk" factor put you off considering this?
A needle hurts for a couple seconds, which as I see it means you're actually saving at least 18 years of pain.
:lulz:
I would never give up the years I spent raising my kids. At the same time I would never go through it again. They say the first time you jump out of an airplane is always the easiest.
Quote from: Luna on June 05, 2011, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on June 05, 2011, 06:39:11 AM
There's nothing wrong with wanting to adopt a baby if there's one available and you find him/her.
I was adopted.
True. However, if these parents that "really want a child" actually really wanted a child, they'd've adopted one already. There are THOUSANDS of children in the system waiting. The objection isn't to adoption, it's to the concept of forcing women to carry children to be adopted by people who have failed to adopt the kids who are already in need.
This needs to be shoved in the faces of people who complain about parents wanting children.
If they want them that badly, they'd have them, there is an overabundance of children in need of adoption.
Adopting in the US system is difficult, but far from impossible, and if you don't want to deal with the various hoops and fees to adopt an American baby there is also a huge overabundance of third world babies that need to be adopted.
Shame on you. Everybody knows third world babies are soup stock.
Quote from: Luna on June 05, 2011, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 05, 2011, 02:54:38 PM
Think she meant http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29320.0 which, of course, isnt available yet, though it looks highly promising.
Very promising...
I have to wonder, though, not having the equipment nor the mindset that goes with it... Gentlemen? Would the "they're gonna shove a needle in my junk" factor put you off considering this?
I've had a vasectomy, which involved not just a needle (for the anaesthetic) but also actually poking around in there with a scalpel, so in my case no, that would not be a problem at all. I think for most men it's a more attractive option than a vasectomy due to being less invasive and reversible. Whether it compares favorably to a condom or not depends on your sexual activity. For casual sex you need a condom anyway, for a guy in an exclusive relationship it's gonna look a lot more attractive.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2011, 07:33:56 PMFor casual sex you need a condom anyway
Balls. I just dip my junk in clear-coat polyurethane before raw-dogging it. Fucking guinea worms can't even chew through that shit, nevermind some pussy shit like HIV.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 05, 2011, 08:26:08 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2011, 07:33:56 PMFor casual sex you need a condom anyway
Balls. I just dip my junk in clear-coat polyurethane before raw-dogging it. Fucking guinea worms can't even chew through that shit, nevermind some pussy shit like HIV.
I almost choked to death on my soda.
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 05, 2011, 08:26:08 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2011, 07:33:56 PMFor casual sex you need a condom anyway
Balls. I just dip my junk in clear-coat polyurethane before raw-dogging it. Fucking guinea worms can't even chew through that shit, nevermind some pussy shit like HIV.
But doesn't that seal up the, I mean how do you, wouldn't that hurt like hell at a very bad moment???? :?
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 05, 2011, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 05, 2011, 08:26:08 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2011, 07:33:56 PMFor casual sex you need a condom anyway
Balls. I just dip my junk in clear-coat polyurethane before raw-dogging it. Fucking guinea worms can't even chew through that shit, nevermind some pussy shit like HIV.
But doesn't that seal up the, I mean how do you, wouldn't that hurt like hell at a very bad moment???? :?
retrograde ejaculation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrograde_ejaculation)
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 05, 2011, 08:40:55 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 05, 2011, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 05, 2011, 08:26:08 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2011, 07:33:56 PMFor casual sex you need a condom anyway
Balls. I just dip my junk in clear-coat polyurethane before raw-dogging it. Fucking guinea worms can't even chew through that shit, nevermind some pussy shit like HIV.
But doesn't that seal up the, I mean how do you, wouldn't that hurt like hell at a very bad moment???? :?
retrograde ejaculation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrograde_ejaculation)
The jokes, I must refrain.
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 05, 2011, 08:48:34 PM
Quote from: Canis latrans securis on June 05, 2011, 08:40:55 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 05, 2011, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 05, 2011, 08:26:08 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2011, 07:33:56 PMFor casual sex you need a condom anyway
Balls. I just dip my junk in clear-coat polyurethane before raw-dogging it. Fucking guinea worms can't even chew through that shit, nevermind some pussy shit like HIV.
But doesn't that seal up the, I mean how do you, wouldn't that hurt like hell at a very bad moment???? :?
retrograde ejaculation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrograde_ejaculation)
The jokes, I must refrain.
:horrormirth:
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 05, 2011, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 05, 2011, 08:26:08 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 05, 2011, 07:33:56 PMFor casual sex you need a condom anyway
Balls. I just dip my junk in clear-coat polyurethane before raw-dogging it. Fucking guinea worms can't even chew through that shit, nevermind some pussy shit like HIV.
But doesn't that seal up the, I mean how do you, wouldn't that hurt like hell at a very bad moment???? :?
I just install a check-valve in my urethra.