I was wandering through the youtubes and ended up watching a bunch of vids of Richard Dawkins acting like a d-bag (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKGtcVoBhBQ). People who would "like" those videos also like other videos in which atheists appear to be wrong.
And this is a treasure trove of lulz. Search for variations on "atheist owned", you'll see. The cats which post these videos are doing a victory dance which is hilarious to watch from the outside.
SO --- This thread is for posting snippets of anti-atheist high-fiving.
Here's "The 1 question all atheists fear (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IZI-umheJ8&feature=related)" -- here's the question: "Show me evidence that god does not exist." This guy thinks that this makes atheists hypocrites who live in blind faith. I wonder if he can prove unicorns don't exist.
"Why Atheism is Dying and will Die out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTVCpBEvheM&feature=related)" - summary: now that we have the INTERNET, it's much easier to find out about the spiritual world. You can see miracles on youtube.
"CNN to atheists: you're gonna die first. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLmvyKYIxr0&feature=related)" - Did you know that if you don't believe in something supernatural, how can you believe you have the supernatural power to survive? that's why faith is not going away!
"Bill O'Reilly Vs Bill Maher Religion Debate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-WaCBl_we4&feature=related)" - Not an "atheist owned" clip, but I like this clip just for Bill O'Reilly, author of "Pinheads and Patriots" saying "Here's what I believe: love thy neighbor, and don't call people stupid just because you disagree with them politically." Also, Bill Maher is a douche so it's a kind of pwnage.
Got any more?
Atheist OWNED by a Christian 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG18a1dHwRw) - quick summary:
Atheist Statement: academics believe that Christianity was influenced by other religious beliefs from earlier eras.
Q: Oh yeah? When was there a concept of a dying/resurrecting god prior to Jesus? Where's the evidence?
A: One example would be Dionysus.
Q: hahaha but what's the DATE? When did it happen?
A: Well, we've got vase paintings depicting Dionysian mythology going wayyyy back in time.
Response: Uhhh you missed the point of the question. I'm not asking about vases, I'm asking about resurrection. When was Dionysus resurrected???
:169:
Quote from: Cramulus on November 02, 2011, 09:00:46 PM
Atheist OWNED by a Christian 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG18a1dHwRw) - quick summary:
Atheist Statement: academics believe that Christianity was influenced by other religious beliefs from earlier eras.
Q: Oh yeah? When was there a concept of a dying/resurrecting god prior to Jesus? Where's the evidence?
A: One example would be Dionysus.
Q: hahaha but what's the DATE? When did it happen?
A: Well, we've got vase paintings depicting Dionysian mythology going wayyyy back in time.
Response: Uhhh you missed the point of the question. I'm not asking about vases, I'm asking about resurrection. When was Dionysus resurrected???
:169:
Well that's going to bring down drunken wrath on eh... somebody, hopefully his lordship is still capable of aiming those thunderbolts after a glass or two.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 02, 2011, 09:00:46 PM
Atheist OWNED by a Christian 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG18a1dHwRw) - quick summary:
Atheist Statement: academics believe that Christianity was influenced by other religious beliefs from earlier eras.
Q: Oh yeah? When was there a concept of a dying/resurrecting god prior to Jesus? Where's the evidence?
A: One example would be Dionysus.
Q: hahaha but what's the DATE? When did it happen?
A: Well, we've got vase paintings depicting Dionysian mythology going wayyyy back in time.
Response: Uhhh you missed the point of the question. I'm not asking about vases, I'm asking about resurrection. When was Dionysus resurrected???
:169:
I'm all for assholes being owned, but...no.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 02, 2011, 09:35:35 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 02, 2011, 09:00:46 PM
Atheist OWNED by a Christian 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG18a1dHwRw) - quick summary:
Atheist Statement: academics believe that Christianity was influenced by other religious beliefs from earlier eras.
Q: Oh yeah? When was there a concept of a dying/resurrecting god prior to Jesus? Where's the evidence?
A: One example would be Dionysus.
Q: hahaha but what's the DATE? When did it happen?
A: Well, we've got vase paintings depicting Dionysian mythology going wayyyy back in time.
Response: Uhhh you missed the point of the question. I'm not asking about vases, I'm asking about resurrection. When was Dionysus resurrected???
:169:
I'm all for assholes being owned, but...no.
Also, what year was Jesus resurrected on? On which calendar?
I mean, if we're being precise. Or ask them which year the Jews fled to - and from - Egypt.
^ That. How do we know for sure?
Quote from: Cramulus on November 02, 2011, 09:00:46 PM
Atheist OWNED by a Christian 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG18a1dHwRw) - quick summary:
Atheist Statement: academics believe that Christianity was influenced by other religious beliefs from earlier eras.
Q: Oh yeah? When was there a concept of a dying/resurrecting god prior to Jesus? Where's the evidence?
A: One example would be Dionysus.
Q: hahaha but what's the DATE? When did it happen?
A: Well, we've got vase paintings depicting Dionysian mythology going wayyyy back in time.
Response: Uhhh you missed the point of the question. I'm not asking about vases, I'm asking about resurrection. When was Dionysus resurrected???
:169:
This is sad on so many levels. The layers of irrelevancy combined with the relative ease of answering that question if he even bothered knowing what he was talking about. Gah.
I just want to point out, by the current standards on FOX, Bill O'Reilly is the epitome of courteous bipartisan debate and opinion.
O'Reilly is many things, shameless liar, confrontational, jingoistic militarist, creepy sexual pervert, but flat out crazy is not one of them.
OOOH... THIS looks like a great thread for a person with my background. It's late now and I'm gonna crash, but posting to keep tabs and do intend to post meaningful stuffs soonish. Oh baby do I know names I'd like to get the board's opinions of! Goodnight PD.
My favorite one is a common saying of Jehovah's Witnesses that every culture has a story of a flood, which therefore proves the deluge. But most of them actually think the people's ancestors remembered it, forgetting that there was no one alive to tell the story. If you point that out to them, they'll usually just realize that Noah told them about it.
Quote from: Pinprop on November 03, 2011, 07:36:46 AM
My favorite one is a common saying of Jehovah's Witnesses that every culture has a story of a flood, which therefore proves the deluge. But most of them actually think the people's ancestors remembered it, forgetting that there was no one alive to tell the story. If you point that out to them, they'll usually just realize that Noah told them about it.
I'm not sure about the exact connection between a global flood and a deity either. I mean yeah, if there's a giant ass flood that kills everyone and you're religious and survive, you're gonna blame it on god, but all the different flood stories blame it on different gods and evidence of a big flood doesn't strike me as in any way as evidence that JHVH did it (or that any god did)
Early settlements were always built in river deltas, because that's where the good soil is.
Rivers flood.
Once in a while, they flood LIKE HELL.
The stories grow over time, and eventually some Sumerian version of the Ohio River floods of the 80s becomes an extinction event used to terrify people into doing what the priests say.
Maybe.
Or maybe the Gods just like pouring water into ant hills.
Maybe thats what all this salvation business is about then, rog. God(s) cant help but do terrible shit to us. So as a consolation prize if we love them very much we get to spend eternity with the thing what killed us to begin with.
An old classic you have all probably seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yBvvGi_2A
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The name is KENT Mutherfukin' HOVIND. Nobody puts the own down on an Atheist like K-dizzle do!
Check it out!! Kent railroads the shit out of
This guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiXDx0RPJnc)
The big K didn't even need to be there in the room. Dude thought he could just read Hovindas' Doctoral Dissertation and be OK.
He got mad because he got OWNED! Like he could really call the scriptural perspective "bias".... Pshh! Dude don't even know what the truth looks like, much less that it's ALL AND ONLY in scriptyaz!
Checkout the Hovinator as he takes out an ex-preacher turned Athiest (obviously never REALLY Christian in the first place) named Farrell "The Tilldo" Till. 11 rounds of fucking INCREDIBLE blow-by-blow divine revelation of history from scriptural truth!
Round 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKxfELMu1v0&feature=related)
Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHI41ARZ_I4&feature=related)
Round 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1I-NmWv26g&feature=related)
Round 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUA1z5iDgq4&feature=related)
Round 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IZejp55xN4&feature=related)
Round 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DadJxoh4kM8&feature=related)
Round 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJMQbtiO7GM&feature=related)
Round 8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3NLmkTH-gI&feature=related)
Round 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKVLyqgUMYo&feature=related)
Round 10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br6CUHzJokQ&feature=related)
Round 11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tv2JE94RZ0&feature=related) KENT HOVIND, WINNAR!! 10,000 year old cosmos theory? HAH! that shit is FACT!
Ok, more seriously I haven't watched all of these in sequence for a long time. I'm watching them as I type and it may be a bit before I'm done. This dude has been building poomp-castles in the name of God since I was just a little Wiz. I got to see him in person once. I felt awestruck at the time, now I'd just like to throw fossilized trilobites at him until I feel ok... might take me longer than he thinks the cosmos has existed to get to ok.
I kind of had to stop reading at "K-dizzle".
Because my brain started to hurt real bad.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:23:45 PM
I kind of had to stop reading at "K-dizzle".
Because my brain started to hurt real bad.
That's Ok. I posted it for the Lulz. Sorry about your noggin. The pain is a sign that thy mind has still got SOME sanity to it.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 03, 2011, 06:43:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:23:45 PM
I kind of had to stop reading at "K-dizzle".
Because my brain started to hurt real bad.
That's Ok. I posted it for the Lulz. Sorry about your noggin. The pain is a sign that thy mind has still got SOME sanity to it.
Well, there were lulz, just a different kind than you were shooting for, I think.
And did you really just use "thy" in casual conversation? For real? Are you fucking turning PAGAN on us? Because if I have to hear faux-archaic speech on THIS fucking board, I am going to lose my shit all over everything.
And we don't want me to lose my shit. I eat Indian food, you know?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:45:09 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 03, 2011, 06:43:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:23:45 PM
I kind of had to stop reading at "K-dizzle".
Because my brain started to hurt real bad.
That's Ok. I posted it for the Lulz. Sorry about your noggin. The pain is a sign that thy mind has still got SOME sanity to it.
Well, there were lulz, just a different kind than you were shooting for, I think.
And did you really just use "thy" in casual conversation? For real? Are you fucking turning PAGAN on us? Because if I have to hear faux-archaic speech on THIS fucking board, I am going to lose my shit all over everything.
And we don't want me to lose my shit. I eat Indian food, you know?
Someone hexed his thinking box so now it makes "thy" pop up. :lulz:
Quote from: Donald Coyote on November 03, 2011, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:45:09 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 03, 2011, 06:43:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:23:45 PM
I kind of had to stop reading at "K-dizzle".
Because my brain started to hurt real bad.
That's Ok. I posted it for the Lulz. Sorry about your noggin. The pain is a sign that thy mind has still got SOME sanity to it.
Well, there were lulz, just a different kind than you were shooting for, I think.
And did you really just use "thy" in casual conversation? For real? Are you fucking turning PAGAN on us? Because if I have to hear faux-archaic speech on THIS fucking board, I am going to lose my shit all over everything.
And we don't want me to lose my shit. I eat Indian food, you know?
Someone hexed his thinking box so now it makes "thy" pop up. :lulz:
:lulz:
Sure as fuck. It says "your" in the quote form, but "thy" in display.
ADMIN ABUSE! SOMEONE DO SOMETHING!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:47:17 PM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on November 03, 2011, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:45:09 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 03, 2011, 06:43:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:23:45 PM
I kind of had to stop reading at "K-dizzle".
Because my brain started to hurt real bad.
That's Ok. I posted it for the Lulz. Sorry about your noggin. The pain is a sign that thy mind has still got SOME sanity to it.
Well, there were lulz, just a different kind than you were shooting for, I think.
And did you really just use "thy" in casual conversation? For real? Are you fucking turning PAGAN on us? Because if I have to hear faux-archaic speech on THIS fucking board, I am going to lose my shit all over everything.
And we don't want me to lose my shit. I eat Indian food, you know?
Someone hexed his thinking box so now it makes "thy" pop up. :lulz:
:lulz:
Sure as fuck. It says "your" in the quote form, but "thy" in display.
ADMIN ABUSE! SOMEONE DO SOMETHING!
:lulz: I did that one on purpose 'cuz it's funny.. or it was until you told me you could lose your shit over it... that's not funny :|.
Neither are pagans... easy, pretentious, but NOT funny.
Accusations of admin abuse are funny as hell! So is the idea of a creationist winning a debate against an ex-creationist.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 03, 2011, 06:58:42 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:47:17 PM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on November 03, 2011, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:45:09 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 03, 2011, 06:43:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:23:45 PM
I kind of had to stop reading at "K-dizzle".
Because my brain started to hurt real bad.
That's Ok. I posted it for the Lulz. Sorry about your noggin. The pain is a sign that thy mind has still got SOME sanity to it.
Well, there were lulz, just a different kind than you were shooting for, I think.
And did you really just use "thy" in casual conversation? For real? Are you fucking turning PAGAN on us? Because if I have to hear faux-archaic speech on THIS fucking board, I am going to lose my shit all over everything.
And we don't want me to lose my shit. I eat Indian food, you know?
Someone hexed his thinking box so now it makes "thy" pop up. :lulz:
:lulz:
Sure as fuck. It says "your" in the quote form, but "thy" in display.
ADMIN ABUSE! SOMEONE DO SOMETHING!
:lulz: I did that one on purpose 'cuz it's funny.. or it was until you told me you could lose your shit over it... that's not funny :|.
Neither are pagans... easy, pretentious, but NOT funny.
Accusations of admin abuse are funny as hell! So is the idea of a creationist winning a debate against an ex-creationist.
Creationists don't debate. They legislate.
See: Kansas, school boards of
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:47:17 PM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on November 03, 2011, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:45:09 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 03, 2011, 06:43:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2011, 06:23:45 PM
I kind of had to stop reading at "K-dizzle".
Because my brain started to hurt real bad.
That's Ok. I posted it for the Lulz. Sorry about your noggin. The pain is a sign that thy mind has still got SOME sanity to it.
Well, there were lulz, just a different kind than you were shooting for, I think.
And did you really just use "thy" in casual conversation? For real? Are you fucking turning PAGAN on us? Because if I have to hear faux-archaic speech on THIS fucking board, I am going to lose my shit all over everything.
And we don't want me to lose my shit. I eat Indian food, you know?
Someone hexed his thinking box so now it makes "thy" pop up. :lulz:
:lulz:
Sure as fuck. It says "your" in the quote form, but "thy" in display.
ADMIN ABUSE! SOMEONE DO SOMETHING!
WE'VE GOT TO STOP ABUSING THE ADMINS IMMEDIATELY
I WILL PM THE MGT ABOUT THIS TERRIBLE ADMIN ABUSE.
Oh fuck, Cram. No you fucking didn't.
I swear, I'll PM the fucking management and 'mark all as read', just you wait. :argh!:
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 12:03:11 AM
Oh fuck, Cram. No you fucking didn't.
I swear, I'll PM the fucking management and 'mark all as read', just you wait. :argh!:
THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT HAPPENS WHEN DAWKINS ATHEISTS ARE ALLOWED TO DEBATE CREATIONISTS.
Seriously, though, these are two groups of people who are almost 100% stupid, douchey, or a combination of the two. It doesn't matter who wins, you end up cringing and laughing either way. It couldn't get any better, except maybe by adding Libertarians and Anarchists and having them square off in a tag-team cage fight to the death.
Quote from: Nigel on November 04, 2011, 12:19:23 AM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 12:03:11 AM
Oh fuck, Cram. No you fucking didn't.
I swear, I'll PM the fucking management and 'mark all as read', just you wait. :argh!:
THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT HAPPENS WHEN DAWKINS ATHEISTS ARE ALLOWED TO DEBATE CREATIONISTS.
Seriously, though, these are two groups of people who are almost 100% stupid, douchey, or a combination of the two. It doesn't matter who wins, you end up cringing and laughing either way. It couldn't get any better, except maybe by adding Libertarians and Anarchists and having them square off in a tag-team cage fight to the death.
I gained back a little respect for PZ Myers when he said he wasn't going to 'debate' creationists of any kind for any reason anymore, because it's fucking stupid.
But we've already decided that Dawkins deserves a fallacy named after him, so I don't think there's much more to say.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 02, 2011, 09:00:46 PM
Atheist OWNED by a Christian 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG18a1dHwRw) - quick summary:
Atheist Statement: academics believe that Christianity was influenced by other religious beliefs from earlier eras.
Q: Oh yeah? When was there a concept of a dying/resurrecting god prior to Jesus? Where's the evidence?
A: One example would be Dionysus.
Q: hahaha but what's the DATE? When did it happen?
A: Well, we've got vase paintings depicting Dionysian mythology going wayyyy back in time.
Response: Uhhh you missed the point of the question. I'm not asking about vases, I'm asking about resurrection. When was Dionysus resurrected???
:169:
Osiris: First attestation ~ 2400 BCE. :lulz:
I win this game.
Quote from: Doktor Phox on November 04, 2011, 12:25:19 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 02, 2011, 09:00:46 PM
Atheist OWNED by a Christian 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG18a1dHwRw) - quick summary:
Atheist Statement: academics believe that Christianity was influenced by other religious beliefs from earlier eras.
Q: Oh yeah? When was there a concept of a dying/resurrecting god prior to Jesus? Where's the evidence?
A: One example would be Dionysus.
Q: hahaha but what's the DATE? When did it happen?
A: Well, we've got vase paintings depicting Dionysian mythology going wayyyy back in time.
Response: Uhhh you missed the point of the question. I'm not asking about vases, I'm asking about resurrection. When was Dionysus resurrected???
:169:
Osiris: First attestation ~ 2400 BCE. :lulz:
I win this game.
But it probably started much earlier, centered around deities that died and resurrected according to the seasons. I mean, the whole resurrection deity idea goes part and parcel with the human fear and facination of transformation; it's probably as old as religion.
But what's really interesting to me (and what I was talking about when I came to visit) is how the Greek gospels really make Jesus out to be a Greek hero in the old tradition of Homer. I mean, all the elements: divine parentage and special circumstances of birth, fighting with monsters (the 40 days in the desert with Satan, the driving off of Legion), the production of miracles that show his lineage, and the trip to and return from the underworld. If Jesus was a character of Homer, he would have been considered one of the greatest heroes, right up there with Odysseus in terms of popularity. Even the particular framing of each vignette in Matthew is something right out of a Greek epic, or at least the more 'modern' equivalent.
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 12:35:20 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on November 04, 2011, 12:25:19 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 02, 2011, 09:00:46 PM
Atheist OWNED by a Christian 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG18a1dHwRw) - quick summary:
Atheist Statement: academics believe that Christianity was influenced by other religious beliefs from earlier eras.
Q: Oh yeah? When was there a concept of a dying/resurrecting god prior to Jesus? Where's the evidence?
A: One example would be Dionysus.
Q: hahaha but what's the DATE? When did it happen?
A: Well, we've got vase paintings depicting Dionysian mythology going wayyyy back in time.
Response: Uhhh you missed the point of the question. I'm not asking about vases, I'm asking about resurrection. When was Dionysus resurrected???
:169:
Osiris: First attestation ~ 2400 BCE. :lulz:
I win this game.
But it probably started much earlier, centered around deities that died and resurrected according to the seasons. I mean, the whole resurrection deity idea goes part and parcel with the human fear and facination of transformation; it's probably as old as religion.
But what's really interesting to me (and what I was talking about when I came to visit) is how the Greek gospels really make Jesus out to be a Greek hero in the old tradition of Homer. I mean, all the elements: divine parentage and special circumstances of birth, fighting with monsters (the 40 days in the desert with Satan, the driving off of Legion), the production of miracles that show his lineage, and the trip to and return from the underworld. If Jesus was a character of Homer, he would have been considered one of the greatest heroes, right up there with Odysseus in terms of popularity. Even the particular framing of each vignette in Matthew is something right out of a Greek epic, or at least the more 'modern' equivalent.
Certainly correct, but the fellow in the video was asking for a resurrection deity that predates Jesus. Osiris is the oldest I can think of off-hand.
And you're absolutely correct about Jesus as a Greek hero, as we have discussed before. :lulz:
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Quote from: Pinprop on November 03, 2011, 07:36:46 AM
My favorite one is a common saying of Jehovah's Witnesses that every culture has a story of a flood, which therefore proves the deluge. But most of them actually think the people's ancestors remembered it, forgetting that there was no one alive to tell the story. If you point that out to them, they'll usually just realize that Noah told them about it.
The bolded mean the same thing. We are all descended from Noah. Google "Table of Nations", with the quotes.
FACT (http://www.annomundi.com/history/travels_of_noah.htm): The Mighty Hercules was Noah's great-great grandson (Noah -> Japheph -> Javan -> Dodanim -> Hercules)
Edit: added sauce.
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:27:46 AM
Quote from: Pinprop on November 03, 2011, 07:36:46 AM
My favorite one is a common saying of Jehovah's Witnesses that every culture has a story of a flood, which therefore proves the deluge. But most of them actually think the people's ancestors remembered it, forgetting that there was no one alive to tell the story. If you point that out to them, they'll usually just realize that Noah told them about it.
The bolded mean the same thing. We are all descended from Noah. Google "Table of Nations", with the quotes.
FACT (http://www.annomundi.com/history/travels_of_noah.htm): The Mighty Hercules was Noah's great-great grandson (Noah -> Japheph -> Javan -> Dodanim -> Hercules)
Edit: added sauce.
:facepalm:
ETA: The mixing of Greek and Latin and the weird fucking spellings of some names boggle the mind. There is absolutely no way that this is 16th century English invention at all, uh-uh. :lulz:
C'mon Phox, you know that was a joke.
FWIW, TWJ, I appreciated your post. I have always been a fan of Dr. Dino. I think he is funny as hell. I can neither listen to anything he says nor read anything he writes without giggling like a ninny. I hope he comes back with a vengeance once he gets out of prison.
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Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:50:08 AM
C'mon Phox, you know that was a joke.
Oh, yeah, I know. See edit. :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Phox on November 04, 2011, 01:53:41 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:50:08 AM
C'mon Phox, you know that was a joke.
Oh, yeah, I know. See edit. :lulz:
It was a joke to me, anyway. It is not, however, a joke to the authors of most of the nearly 200,000 pages that come up when you google "Table of Nations".
ETA: I have seen a genealogy of Charlemagne in several places that traces his lineage all the way to Adam through Hercules. Here's one: http://www.homeofourfathers.com/lisbeth/ahnentafelcharlemagne.htm
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:55:35 AM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on November 04, 2011, 01:53:41 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:50:08 AM
C'mon Phox, you know that was a joke.
Oh, yeah, I know. See edit. :lulz:
It was a joke to me, anyway. It is not, however, a joke to the authors of most of the nearly 200,000 pages that come up when you google "Table of Nations".
ETA: I have seen a genealogy of Charlemagne in several places that traces his lineage all the way to Adam through Hercules. Here's one: http://www.homeofourfathers.com/lisbeth/ahnentafelcharlemagne.htm
Oh I know. Those people have no understanding of the realities of genealogy and why it is incredibly unlikely that Hercules could be the ancestor of a Frankish king, and though were such a person as Hercules to have actually existed, then it is possible he might have had a Semitic (i.e. Phoenician) ancestor, though it seems unlikely.
ETA: All of this is an attempt by medieval Europeans to claim ancestry from both Biblical and Classical figures, which is unsurprising, as claiming a respected/famous/semi-divine lineage is great propaganda,.
You might like this link: Where did the races come from? (http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=10696)
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 02:26:21 AM
You might like this link: Where did the races come from? (http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=10696)
:lulz: I fucking love those guys.
QuoteThat explains the three major races, but what about all of the sub-races? Where did the Armenians, or the Kurds, or the Chinese come from? We'll see all of the microevolution that led to the generation of those races here.
That line alone is pure genius.
So instead of the classic Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Negroid divide in "races" he's going with Mongoloids as a Negroid off-shoot. :lulz:
Fuck black people and Asian people, they were begat by sinners so they shouldn't even qualify as people. :lulz:
QuoteJust like the Canaanites pre-stole land from the Semites, the Cushites and the Mizraimites pre-stole land rightfully belonging to the Japhephites.
This line is pure fucking gold. Hell yes! "pre-stole" is now my favorite fucking word EVER. :lulz:
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 02:26:21 AM
You might like this link: Where did the races come from? (http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=10696)
:lulz:
I just don't even... :lulz:...religions are made of crazy.
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LOOK THIS IS PROOF THAT TGGR IS SATAN!!!!!!!!! :eek:
It's almost impossible to effectively lampoon crazy religious people anymore. :lulz: Even the Landover Baptists are hitting too close to home.
QuoteIt's likely that a branch of the Sinites went across the Pacific and spread into the Americas through Alaska, and as they spread southward they encountered the Mizraimites who were spreading northward. Instead of going to war and establishing borders like Godly folks would have done, they interbred with each other and became a bunch of hybridized mongrels.
Oh come on, that's blatantly un-Christian. They have to be trolls right?
I thought I didn't have any faith left to lose :x
Edit: It HAS to be a joke. There's a graph that says retarded people are descendants of Nephilim. Aside from that being ridiculous, ALL the nephilim were killed in the flood. It's like they're too stupid to read the bible even, I refuse to believe it!
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:27:46 AM
The bolded mean the same thing. We are all descended from Noah. Google "Table of Nations", with the quotes.
FACT (http://www.annomundi.com/history/travels_of_noah.htm): The Mighty Hercules was Noah's great-great grandson (Noah -> Japheph -> Javan -> Dodanim -> Hercules)
Edit: added sauce.
Yes I see they do. I meant ancestors that remembered the floods happening in their native land
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 02:26:21 AM
You might like this link: Where did the races come from? (http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=10696)
I find it terrifying that the same mind which can say that anthropology is bullshit can make up this shit and claim it as true.
Actually, I just find the fundamentalist mind terrifying in general. Who knows what sort of things a mind not based in reality is capable.
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 03:19:07 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 02:26:21 AM
You might like this link: Where did the races come from? (http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=10696)
I find it terrifying that the same mind which can say that anthropology is bullshit can make up this shit and claim it as true.
Actually, I just find the fundamentalist mind terrifying in general. Who knows what sort of things a mind not based in reality is capable.
Landover Baptist Church is satire.
What's disturbing is that it's not obvious because it's
too close to the real thing. :lol:
Quote from: Pinprop on November 04, 2011, 03:09:39 AM
QuoteIt's likely that a branch of the Sinites went across the Pacific and spread into the Americas through Alaska, and as they spread southward they encountered the Mizraimites who were spreading northward. Instead of going to war and establishing borders like Godly folks would have done, they interbred with each other and became a bunch of hybridized mongrels.
Oh come on, that's blatantly un-Christian. They have to be trolls right?
I thought I didn't have any faith left to lose :x
Edit: It HAS to be a joke. There's a graph that says retarded people are descendants of Nephilim. Aside from that being ridiculous, ALL the nephilim were killed in the flood. It's like they're too stupid to read the bible even, I refuse to believe it!
Have you read the Book of Numbers, or Joshua?
Quote from: Nigel on November 04, 2011, 03:21:51 AM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 03:19:07 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 02:26:21 AM
You might like this link: Where did the races come from? (http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=10696)
I find it terrifying that the same mind which can say that anthropology is bullshit can make up this shit and claim it as true.
Actually, I just find the fundamentalist mind terrifying in general. Who knows what sort of things a mind not based in reality is capable.
Landover Baptist Church is satire.
What's disturbing is that it's not obvious because it's too close to the real thing. :lol:
Makes you wonder how many of the posts there are made by fundies who don't notice it either.
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:51:15 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind
http://creationwiki.org/Kent_Hovind
:lulz:
I found this particularly amusing: http://www.dinosauradventureland.com/
Quote from: Nigel on November 04, 2011, 03:21:51 AM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 03:19:07 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 02:26:21 AM
You might like this link: Where did the races come from? (http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=10696)
I find it terrifying that the same mind which can say that anthropology is bullshit can make up this shit and claim it as true.
Actually, I just find the fundamentalist mind terrifying in general. Who knows what sort of things a mind not based in reality is capable.
Landover Baptist Church is satire.
What's disturbing is that it's not obvious because it's too close to the real thing. :lol:
Poe's Law on the Internet may be more like the inerrant laws of physics than I previously thought.
Quote from: Nigel on November 04, 2011, 03:41:46 AM
I found this particularly amusing: http://www.dinosauradventureland.com/
I find everything about Ken Hovind particularly amusing, aside from the fact that he's a fraud and he teaches children bullshit.
I mean, if it weren't for his pull, he'd just be an amusing eccentric story teller that nobody takes seriously.
The whole "Sovereign Citizen" thing is a nice touch.
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 03:23:59 AM
Have you read the Book of Numbers, or Joshua?
I haven't read/or don't remember what happens in Joshua. And isn't Numbers just a genealogy?
Quote from: Pinprop on November 04, 2011, 04:09:29 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 03:23:59 AM
Have you read the Book of Numbers, or Joshua?
I haven't read/or don't remember what happens in Joshua. And isn't Numbers just a genealogy?
Numbers is a census of the Israelites. Joshua is a catalog of the genocides accomplished as the Israelites made their way into the Levant from Egypt. Neither of which probably ever happened.
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 04:50:38 AM
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Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 03:23:59 AM
Have you read the Book of Numbers, or Joshua?
I haven't read/or don't remember what happens in Joshua. And isn't Numbers just a genealogy?
Numbers is a census of the Israelites. Joshua is a catalog of the genocides accomplished as the Israelites made their way into the Levant from Egypt. Neither of which probably ever happened.
I love you.
Quote from: Donald Coyote on November 04, 2011, 04:54:38 AM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 04:50:38 AM
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Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 03:23:59 AM
Have you read the Book of Numbers, or Joshua?
I haven't read/or don't remember what happens in Joshua. And isn't Numbers just a genealogy?
Numbers is a census of the Israelites. Joshua is a catalog of the genocides accomplished as the Israelites made their way into the Levant from Egypt. Neither of which probably ever happened.
I love you.
I hope so. All of humanity should love me for the hours I've spent wading through the pile of shit that is Joshua through Kings and bless me for my summaries so they don't have to read it themselves.
The fast summary is: A series of leaders from Joshua to the sons of David lead the Israelites through successive genocides, rape and pillaging to appease their god of war, Yahweh, after they displease him with minor infractions. Also, Samson was a womanizing asshole with bad tastes in women who nevertheless made up for it at the end of his life by pulling the temple down on him and his captors. Also, Saul, Solomon, and David were complete assholes. Also also, David and Johnathan had a relationship which ranges into questionably homosexual.
Thats about it.
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 05:06:14 AM
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Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 03:23:59 AM
Have you read the Book of Numbers, or Joshua?
I haven't read/or don't remember what happens in Joshua. And isn't Numbers just a genealogy?
Numbers is a census of the Israelites. Joshua is a catalog of the genocides accomplished as the Israelites made their way into the Levant from Egypt. Neither of which probably ever happened.
I love you.
I hope so. All of humanity should love me for the hours I've spent wading through the pile of shit that is Joshua through Kings and bless me for my summaries so they don't have to read it themselves.
The fast summary is: A series of leaders from Joshua to the sons of David lead the Israelites through successive genocides, rape and pillaging to appease their god of war, Yahweh, after they displease him with minor infractions. Also, Samson was a womanizing asshole with bad tastes in women who nevertheless made up for it at the end of his life by pulling the temple down on him and his captors. Also, Saul, Solomon, and David were complete assholes. Also also, David and Johnathan had a relationship which ranges into questionably homosexual.
Thats about it.
Yes, and everyone should love ME for having hours of conversations with you about all of those things, for the betterment of our mutual understanding. :lulz:
(Love you. :mrgreen:)
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 04:50:38 AM
Quote from: Pinprop on November 04, 2011, 04:09:29 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 03:23:59 AM
Have you read the Book of Numbers, or Joshua?
I haven't read/or don't remember what happens in Joshua. And isn't Numbers just a genealogy?
Numbers is a census of the Israelites. Joshua is a catalog of the genocides accomplished as the Israelites made their way into the Levant from Egypt. Neither of which probably ever happened.
No, most of the Book of Numbers is also about genocide.
ETA: Numbers is about Israelite genocides conducted under Moses while they made their way from Egypt to Canaan. Joshua is about the Israelite genocides conducted under Joshua after they entered Canaan.
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:11:24 PM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 04:50:38 AM
Quote from: Pinprop on November 04, 2011, 04:09:29 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 03:23:59 AM
Have you read the Book of Numbers, or Joshua?
I haven't read/or don't remember what happens in Joshua. And isn't Numbers just a genealogy?
Numbers is a census of the Israelites. Joshua is a catalog of the genocides accomplished as the Israelites made their way into the Levant from Egypt. Neither of which probably ever happened.
No, most of the Book of Numbers is also about genocide.
ETA: Numbers is about Israelite genocides conducted under Moses while they made their way from Egypt to Canaan. Joshua is about the Israelite genocides conducted under Joshua after they entered Canaan.
Isn't most of the OT about Israelite genocides?
Quote from: BadBeast on November 04, 2011, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:11:24 PM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 04:50:38 AM
Quote from: Pinprop on November 04, 2011, 04:09:29 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 03:23:59 AM
Have you read the Book of Numbers, or Joshua?
I haven't read/or don't remember what happens in Joshua. And isn't Numbers just a genealogy?
Numbers is a census of the Israelites. Joshua is a catalog of the genocides accomplished as the Israelites made their way into the Levant from Egypt. Neither of which probably ever happened.
No, most of the Book of Numbers is also about genocide.
ETA: Numbers is about Israelite genocides conducted under Moses while they made their way from Egypt to Canaan. Joshua is about the Israelite genocides conducted under Joshua after they entered Canaan.
Isn't most of the OT about Israelite genocides?
There's some cool sci-fi/Fantasy shit in there too. Don't bother with the NT, it's wank.
Other than a few here and there in the Samuel and Kings, the genocide stories are pretty much concentrated in those two books.
Oh, and Faust isn't kidding either. There's dragons, cockatrices, satyrs, flying saucers, and unicorns in there.
I should have added "With the exception of The Book of Revelations" AKA, the gospel according to David Croninberg.
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:56:19 PM
Other than a few here and there in the Samuel and Kings, the genocide stories are pretty much concentrated in those two books.
Oh, and Faust isn't kidding either. There's dragons, cockatrices, satyrs, flying saucers, and unicorns in there.
I've been known to dip into my (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx128/ChuckFukmuk/Landover%20emotes/kjv1611.gif) from time to time. OT tops NT for sheer crazyness. My favourite (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx128/ChuckFukmuk/Landover%20emotes/shok.gif) moments are when Noah gets all drunky and get's his freak on with his daughters, or when Jonah gets et by the Whale. Or Ezekiel gets abducted by aliens. Moses and Aaron trolling Rameses with Snakes and shit is good too. And when the Hebrews finally GTFO of Egypt, and realise they're not going to get out of the desert anytime soon, so Moses comes up with the 10 Commandments (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx128/ChuckFukmuk/Landover%20emotes/scenic.gif) Pisses all over the NT, with it's meekness guilt, and turning the other cheek. (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx128/ChuckFukmuk/Landover%20emotes/jesussmilie.gif) Job is hilarious, and proves that Jehovah at least had a sense of humour once. As does the bit where Abraham prepares to sacrifice his son, but God relents, and settles for making him cut the end of his cock off instead. That's class, that is.
The biggest difference between the OT and the NT is this. In the OT, if you piss God off, He sends a column of fire down from Heaven to burn you to a crisp, or sends plague or famine, or attacks you with flying flaming snakes, or afflicts you with leprosy, or stirs up foreign nations to attack you, or other instant karma stuff like that. If you happen to live through whatever God sends after you, you can learn your lesson, and if not, then you're just dead and that's it.
In the NT, you can piss God off as much as you want and He won't do anything about it while you're still alive, but if you don't repent, then when you die He'll send your soul to Hell where you will be brutally tormented for eternity. People see talk of love and forgiveness in the NT and think the NT version of God is kinder and gentler than the OT version, but NT punishment for pissing God off is much worse than OT punishment.
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:11:24 PM
No, most of the Book of Numbers is also about genocide.
That's funny because most genocide is basically about numbers.
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Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:11:24 PM
No, most of the Book of Numbers is also about genocide.
That's funny because most genocide is basically about numbers.
:rimshot:
Biblical genocides are more fun when they're made of Lego:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/joshua/massacre_of_jericho/jos06_01.html
:lulz:
I remembered that Rahab the prostitute and her family were spared because she spied for the Israelites, but totally forgot about the part where God made her
immortal.
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:56:19 PM
Other than a few here and there in the Samuel and Kings, the genocide stories are pretty much concentrated in those two books.
Oh, and Faust isn't kidding either. There's dragons, cockatrices, satyrs, flying saucers, and unicorns in there.
Judges is the other big genocide book. Actually, Judges is probably the most abhorrent book in the whole OT. The whole daughter sacrificing and mass kidnapping/rape of women right up there with the genocide cycles.
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 04, 2011, 06:09:04 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:56:19 PM
Other than a few here and there in the Samuel and Kings, the genocide stories are pretty much concentrated in those two books.
Oh, and Faust isn't kidding either. There's dragons, cockatrices, satyrs, flying saucers, and unicorns in there.
Judges is the other big genocide book. Actually, Judges is probably the most abhorrent book in the whole OT. The whole daughter sacrificing and mass kidnapping/rape of women right up there with the genocide cycles.
Check out the book of Samuel. :lulz:
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 04:43:06 PM
:lulz:
I remembered that Rahab the prostitute and her family were spared because she spied for the Israelites, but totally forgot about the part where God made her immortal.
What? Where? I went and read up on her and didn't see a single thing about that.
I thought he only ever conferred immortality to Enoch.
Eta; Epistle to the Hebrews: "By faith Enoch was transferred, that he should not see death"
Evangelical commentators consider Enoch to be one of the Two Witnesses in the Book of Revelation due to the fact that he did not die according to Genesis 5:24.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 04, 2011, 07:15:40 PM
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:lulz:
I remembered that Rahab the prostitute and her family were spared because she spied for the Israelites, but totally forgot about the part where God made her immortal.
What? Where? I went and read up on her and didn't see a single thing about that.
"Where she lives among them to this very day".
She doesn't make as much money, though.
Roger, I like how in 1 Samuel 15, Saul's army kills all of the Amalekites except for one man (their king, Agag), who Samuel kills two weeks later. Then by the time David is king, in 1 Samuel 30, the Amalekites are back in numbers large enough to field an army and mount an invasion.
Garbo, click on Mangrove's Brick Testament link, and click through the story.
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 07:41:41 PM
Roger, I like how in 1 Samuel 15, Saul's army kills all of the Amalekites except for one man (their king, Agag), who Samuel kills two weeks later. Then by the time David is king, in 1 Samuel 30, the Amalekites are back in numbers large enough to field an army and mount an invasion.
Garbo, click on Mangrove's Brick Testament link, and click through the story.
Apparently, Agag was a sex machine.
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 04, 2011, 07:15:40 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 04:43:06 PM
:lulz:
I remembered that Rahab the prostitute and her family were spared because she spied for the Israelites, but totally forgot about the part where God made her immortal.
What? Where? I went and read up on her and didn't see a single thing about that.
It's not explicit, but as the sack of Jericho allegedly happened around 2500 BCE, if I recall the history correctly, and the composition of the book is alleged to be around 7th or 6th century BCE, living nearly two thousand years kind of implies immortality. :lulz:
Note: I can't seem to find my sources for either of those dates, so take them for what they are worth.
Quote from: Doktor Phox on November 04, 2011, 07:43:26 PM
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Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 04:43:06 PM
:lulz:
I remembered that Rahab the prostitute and her family were spared because she spied for the Israelites, but totally forgot about the part where God made her immortal.
What? Where? I went and read up on her and didn't see a single thing about that.
It's not explicit, but as the sack of Jericho allegedly happened around 2500 BCE, if I recall the history correctly, and the composition of the book is alleged to be around 7th or 6th century BCE, living nearly two thousand years kind of implies immortality. :lulz:
You mean my Sunday school teachers were WRONG when they told me it was an eye-witness account? :eek:
Or maybe it was an eye witness account, and Rahab wrote it.
Quote from: Doktor Phox on November 04, 2011, 07:43:26 PMNote: I can't seem to find my sources for either of those dates, so take them for what they are worth.
There is a good Bible calendar here (http://www.abiblestudy.com/). It doesn't give dates for all of the events in Joshua, but it says that Joshua's army first crossed the river Jordan heading towards Jericho on April 3, 1405 BC.
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Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 04:43:06 PM
:lulz:
I remembered that Rahab the prostitute and her family were spared because she spied for the Israelites, but totally forgot about the part where God made her immortal.
What? Where? I went and read up on her and didn't see a single thing about that.
It's not explicit, but as the sack of Jericho allegedly happened around 2500 BCE, if I recall the history correctly, and the composition of the book is alleged to be around 7th or 6th century BCE, living nearly two thousand years kind of implies immortality. :lulz:
You mean my Sunday school teachers were WRONG when they told me it was an eye-witness account? :eek:
Or maybe it was an eye witness account, and Rahab wrote it.
Quote from: Doktor Phox on November 04, 2011, 07:43:26 PMNote: I can't seem to find my sources for either of those dates, so take them for what they are worth.
There is a good Bible calendar here (http://www.abiblestudy.com/). It doesn't give dates for all of the events in Joshua, but it says that Joshua's army first crossed the river Jordan heading towards Jericho on April 3, 1405 BC.
Yeah, and I bet they told you that every word of it was divinely inspired and completely infallible. Even the parts that contradict the other parts.
Especially those parts. :lulz:
Alright, I'll take your number over mine, though I recall mine coming from an archaeological study I read about famous ancient cities that were destroyed (included Troy, which is why I was reading it), and this is probably on the six-thousand-year model, but since we are arguing it in terms of Biblical immortality, yours is probably better to go by. Even so, 700 or 800 years removed is a pretty long time, yeah? :lulz:
If your date is based on archaeology then I'm certain that it is much more reliable than the one I linked, which seems to be based on some guy pulling dates out of his ass to try to make his timeline conform to Biblical chronology. I find his date of April 3, 1405 BC to be incredibly precise.
While I have that site open in another tab, I will use it to answer Roger's questions from earlier ITT.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 02, 2011, 09:37:42 PM
Also, what year was Jesus resurrected on? On which calendar?
Sunday, April 16, 33 AD. This calendar: http://www.abiblestudy.com/
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 02, 2011, 09:37:42 PMI mean, if we're being precise. Or ask them which year the Jews fled to - and from - Egypt.
1701 BC is when Joseph's brothers came to live in Egypt to escape famine.
Moses parted the Red Sea on April 15, 1445 BC.
PMZ,
:asshat:
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 08:52:32 PM
If your date is based on archaeology then I'm certain that it is much more reliable than the one I linked, which seems to be based on some guy pulling dates out of his ass to try to make his timeline conform to Biblical chronology. I find his date of April 3, 1405 BC to be incredibly precise.
yeah, that's what I figured. But, yeah, there is actually a good amount of archaeology on Jericho and other Biblical sites. If I remember correctly, there were several cities built on the same spot and the one in which there was a large enough destruction to fit the Biblical account occurred somewhere around 2500 BCE. (A quick look at wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho#Archaeology, puts the date at 1550-ish BCE. So I could very well be misremembering.)
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Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:56:19 PM
Other than a few here and there in the Samuel and Kings, the genocide stories are pretty much concentrated in those two books.
Oh, and Faust isn't kidding either. There's dragons, cockatrices, satyrs, flying saucers, and unicorns in there.
Judges is the other big genocide book. Actually, Judges is probably the most abhorrent book in the whole OT. The whole daughter sacrificing and mass kidnapping/rape of women right up there with the genocide cycles.
Check out the book of Samuel. :lulz:
Samuel really shows that this is a Cannanite war god we're talking about. The whole part where Saul kills all of this one tribe except the livestock and Yahweh gets angry because he didn't kill the livestock too.
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 04, 2011, 01:51:15 AM
FWIW, TWJ, I appreciated your post. I have always been a fan of Dr. Dino. I think he is funny as hell. I can neither listen to anything he says nor read anything he writes without giggling like a ninny. I hope he comes back with a vengeance once he gets out of prison.
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:lulz: Plenty of the good laughs to be had here on good old earth!!
Thanks PMZ.
This thread has been all around awesome to me so far!
Quote from: BadBeast on November 04, 2011, 07:28:44 PM
I thought he only ever conferred immortality to Enoch.
Eta; Epistle to the Hebrews: "By faith Enoch was transferred, that he should not see death"
Evangelical commentators consider Enoch to be one of the Two Witnesses in the Book of Revelation due to the fact that he did not die according to Genesis 5:24.
The prophet Elijah and Enoch are both said to have been taken away by God and some expect them to return as the "Two Witnesses" that troll the Antichrist during the tribulation until he kills them. Most people are sure Elijah is one of them, but
some most fundamentalists think that Moses is the other. They don't really even know who Enoch is.. :cry:
Eventually they DO get whacked though. That much is clear.
Quote from: Pinprop on November 03, 2011, 07:36:46 AM
My favorite one is a common saying of Jehovah's Witnesses that every culture has a story of a flood, which therefore proves the deluge. But most of them actually think the people's ancestors remembered it, forgetting that there was no one alive to tell the story. If you point that out to them, they'll usually just realize that Noah told them about it.
Not every culture - the Egyptians didn't have a flood story. Instead, they have what I think is a drought story.
Ra got paranoid one day and thought humans were going to gang up and depose him, so he sent his eye (in the form of Hathor) down to earth to slay a bunch of them, which it/she did. However, Ra didn't want
all humanity destroyed, but Hathor was full of bloodlust and wanted to kill all of them anyway.
So Ra ordered his high priest to collect hundreds of jars of beer, dye them red, and pour them out in a field where he knew Hathor would be the next day. Hathor, thinking all that red beer was blood, rushed down and drank it all. Once she got her buzz on, she mellowed out and went back up to Ra. Thus humanity was saved from utter destruction.
I figure the eye is a metaphor for the sun burning everything up. Makes sense that the Egyptians would fear a drought more than a flood, since the annual Nile flood was completely predictable and necessary for their crops, unlike the unpredictable and violent flooding in Mesopotamia.
Anyone see any of The Amazing Atheist's videos? He's some disgusting windbag and the textbook case of the militant atheist and all the moronic behaviour that entails.
Here's some videos to get a sample of his magnetic personality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KoBwiPzRFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l13fqVna5no&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fc2Y1wxne8&feature=relmfu
We'll the internet found this:
Not safe for work.
http://i.imgur.com/779Aa.jpg
Under no circumstances is this safe for work.
It made me chuckle no end. I guess having micropenis is what drives atheists off the deep end.
Quote from: Faust on November 08, 2011, 07:21:33 PM
Anyone see any of The Amazing Atheist's videos? He's some disgusting windbag and the textbook case of the militant atheist and all the moronic behaviour that entails.
Here's some videos to get a sample of his magnetic personality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KoBwiPzRFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l13fqVna5no&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fc2Y1wxne8&feature=relmfu
We'll the internet found this:
Not safe for work.
http://i.imgur.com/779Aa.jpg
Under no circumstances is this safe for work.
It made me chuckle no end. I guess having micropenis is what drives atheists off the deep end.
Fucking priceless! He's getting trolled on Youtube now as "Bananaman".(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx128/ChuckFukmuk/Landover%20emotes/blech.gif)
Quote from: Faust on November 08, 2011, 07:21:33 PM
Anyone see any of The Amazing Atheist's videos? He's some disgusting windbag and the textbook case of the militant atheist and all the moronic behaviour that entails.
Here's some videos to get a sample of his magnetic personality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KoBwiPzRFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l13fqVna5no&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fc2Y1wxne8&feature=relmfu
We'll the internet found this:
Not safe for work.
http://i.imgur.com/779Aa.jpg
Under no circumstances is this safe for work.
It made me chuckle no end. I guess having micropenis is what drives atheists off the deep end.
Holy shit, he reminds me of my second ex-husband.
Quote from: Faust on November 08, 2011, 07:21:33 PM
Anyone see any of The Amazing Atheist's videos? He's some disgusting windbag and the textbook case of the militant atheist and all the moronic behaviour that entails.
Here's some videos to get a sample of his magnetic personality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KoBwiPzRFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l13fqVna5no&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fc2Y1wxne8&feature=relmfu
We'll the internet found this:
Not safe for work.
http://i.imgur.com/779Aa.jpg
Under no circumstances is this safe for work.
It made me chuckle no end. I guess having micropenis is what drives atheists off the deep end.
That link... :lulz: oh god.
Quote from: Faust on November 08, 2011, 07:21:33 PM
Anyone see any of The Amazing Atheist's videos? He's some disgusting windbag and the textbook case of the militant atheist and all the moronic behaviour that entails.
Here's some videos to get a sample of his magnetic personality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KoBwiPzRFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l13fqVna5no&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fc2Y1wxne8&feature=relmfu
We'll the internet found this:
Not safe for work.
http://i.imgur.com/779Aa.jpg
Under no circumstances is this safe for work.
It made me chuckle no end. I guess having micropenis is what drives atheists off the deep end.
I HATE YOU!!!!!!
:|
You people are horrible.
Potassium deficiency can lead to cardiac arrhythmia and even respiratory depression in serious cases.
Quote from: Faust on November 08, 2011, 07:21:33 PM
Anyone see any of The Amazing Atheist's videos? He's some disgusting windbag and the textbook case of the militant atheist and all the moronic behaviour that entails.
Here's some videos to get a sample of his magnetic personality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KoBwiPzRFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l13fqVna5no&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fc2Y1wxne8&feature=relmfu
We'll the internet found this:
Not safe for work.
http://i.imgur.com/779Aa.jpg
Under no circumstances is this safe for work.
It made me chuckle no end. I guess having micropenis is what drives atheists off the deep end.
:aaaah:
DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE NO FIRM MORAL COMPASS DERIVED FROM SCRIPTURE? YOU PUT BANANAS IN ORIFICES THAT THE GOOD LORD DID NOT INTEND. THIS ATHEIST OWNED HIMSELF!! TURN BACK FROM YOUR WAYS OR THE SAME FATE WILL BE UPON YOU!!!
More realishtically, I wonder if there's a blooper reel in heaven. :lulz:
T.W. Joseph- Wonders what the look on Michael's face was like when Lucifer decided to become an "Independent Consultant"
Quote from: nihilbilly on November 08, 2011, 09:51:36 PM
:|
You people are horrible.
Potassium deficiency can lead to cardiac arrhythmia and even respiratory depression in serious cases.
FUCK YOU, MY GERBIL DIED OF POTASSIUM OVERDOSE!
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 09, 2011, 04:06:15 AM
Quote from: nihilbilly on November 08, 2011, 09:51:36 PM
:|
You people are horrible.
Potassium deficiency can lead to cardiac arrhythmia and even respiratory depression in serious cases.
FUCK YOU, MY GERBIL DIED OF POTASSIUM OVERDOSE!
FUCK YOU, MY MOM'S GERBIL DIED OF GETTING SHOVED UP THAT GUY'S ASS!
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 09, 2011, 12:22:06 AM
DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE NO FIRM MORAL COMPASS DERIVED FROM SCRIPTURE? YOU PUT BANANAS IN ORIFICES THAT THE GOOD LORD DID NOT INTEND. THIS ATHEIST OWNED HIMSELF!! TURN BACK FROM YOUR WAYS OR THE SAME FATE WILL BE UPON YOU!!!
Because it is entirely impossible that other athiests would think he is retarded and love the fact that he is now a joke in the eyes of the world.
I think I understand the point he was trying to make though.
"The banana fits perfectly in my ass...
THEREFORE: GOD DOES NOT EXIST."
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 09, 2011, 09:11:33 AM
I think I understand the point he was trying to make though.
"The banana fits perfectly in my ass...
THEREFORE: GOD DOES NOT EXIST."
Surely the fact that those pictures came out is proof enough that god does not exist, or at least that he is cruel and has a bad sense of humour.
Even in a universe designed by an omnipotent and compassionate God, some people must exist for no other reason than to be a warning to others.
I try not to get involved in debates with christians or athiests (offers of artistic violence inflicted on their person will usually suffice) but if and when I ever do I find myself using the same argument on both - "prove it" Prove the overfiend does exist or prove he doesn't. Christfags and athiests are essentially the same people.
Who wouldn't want to see a mud-wrestling death match between Hitchens and Pat Robertson?
Is it just me?
Quote from: Not Really a Reverend What's-his-Name? on November 09, 2011, 01:10:09 PM
Who wouldn't want to see a mud-wrestling death match between Hitchens and Pat Robertson?
Is it just me?
I think you've been catching a contact high. You probably meant Megan Phelps...
(http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/30/23b1402301435b63b9258d785b958727/l.jpg)
Yeah, her. Are there any hot atheists? I mean, besides my wife. I don't think she'd sign up.
(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/antitwister/chris.jpg)
Cristina Rad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGbynOi9tIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTUNh7Goiu8
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 09, 2011, 02:02:19 PM
(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/antitwister/chris.jpg)
Cristina Rad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGbynOi9tIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTUNh7Goiu8
Mmmmmmmm.....
Quote from: Faust on November 08, 2011, 07:21:33 PM
Anyone see any of The Amazing Atheist's videos? He's some disgusting windbag and the textbook case of the militant atheist and all the moronic behaviour that entails.
Here's some videos to get a sample of his magnetic personality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KoBwiPzRFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l13fqVna5no&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fc2Y1wxne8&feature=relmfu
We'll the internet found this:
Not safe for work.
http://i.imgur.com/779Aa.jpg
Under no circumstances is this safe for work.
It made me chuckle no end. I guess having micropenis is what drives atheists off the deep end.
wowwwwww thank you for sharing that?
I know this was exactly what I was looking for ITT, and yet, I am left feeling unsettled. Like maybe we should contact this guy or something. PD should really have a trophy or something it awards to asshats of such caliber.
The only appropriate trophy would be some kind of letter bomb or anthrax.
Sorry for sharing the pain.
Quote from: Faust on November 09, 2011, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 09, 2011, 12:22:06 AM
DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE NO FIRM MORAL COMPASS DERIVED FROM SCRIPTURE? YOU PUT BANANAS IN ORIFICES THAT THE GOOD LORD DID NOT INTEND. THIS ATHEIST OWNED HIMSELF!! TURN BACK FROM YOUR WAYS OR THE SAME FATE WILL BE UPON YOU!!!
Because it is entirely impossible that other athiests would think he is retarded and love the fact that he is now a joke in the eyes of the world.
Oh I heard him call his situation "Bananagate" on one of the vids on his channel. I'm still trying to shake the spontaneous chuckles it gave me.
I am not truly an Atheist myself. It seems like an unwarranted certainty that mirrors every other religion I've encountered. I just felt very spirited and posted obnoxiously as a result. I can't even watch his vids, he's far too whiny. About everything. And he clearly stuck a banana in his butt without proper training or personal protective equipment.
Your trophy should be a bronze cast of his tiny cock on a large pedestal that sprays coffee-scented ricin, rigged up with a photosensitive trigger. You earned it sir. :)
I know that hope springs eternal, but wouldn't it be brilliant if the whole thing is a troll?
I mean, if that guy is totally just an invented character by an extremely shameless troll. Because pouring coffee and milk on yourself, smearing your ass with... god I hope that wasn't shit... and sticking a banana up your ass on video is something that seems to really cross the line between "guy who takes himself totally seriously" and "full on performance troll".
Quote from: Nigel on November 09, 2011, 09:59:38 PM
I know that hope springs eternal, but wouldn't it be brilliant if the whole thing is a troll?
If by troll you mean, dramawhoring then maybe. He constantly needs to be the centre of attention or he starts posting mopey and depressed stuff.
He has not the mental capacity and wit to run it as a troll, also probably not. Not after some of people who knew him in real life professed him being a stalker.
Quote from: Faust on November 09, 2011, 10:38:42 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 09, 2011, 09:59:38 PM
I know that hope springs eternal, but wouldn't it be brilliant if the whole thing is a troll?
If by troll you mean, dramawhoring then maybe. He constantly needs to be the centre of attention or he starts posting mopey and depressed stuff.
He has not the mental capacity and wit to run it as a troll, also probably not. Not after some of people who knew him in real life professed him being a stalker.
Well, it's almost as awesome that someone exists who is
actually that pathetic. :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on November 09, 2011, 10:55:48 PM
Quote from: Faust on November 09, 2011, 10:38:42 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 09, 2011, 09:59:38 PM
I know that hope springs eternal, but wouldn't it be brilliant if the whole thing is a troll?
If by troll you mean, dramawhoring then maybe. He constantly needs to be the centre of attention or he starts posting mopey and depressed stuff.
He has not the mental capacity and wit to run it as a troll, also probably not. Not after some of people who knew him in real life professed him being a stalker.
Well, it's almost as awesome that someone exists who is actually that pathetic. :lulz:
Hmm... I wonder if there's a secret group out there dedicated to defaming Atheists by making them look like weak, degenerate, obnoxious, so&so's.
There could be a whole new sector of conspiracy lore built around this. :transmet::hi5::tinfoilhat::1fap:
But yeah, he seems genuinely that sad & crazy. It's hard to fake. He claims that was chocolate sauce on his ass.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 09, 2011, 11:09:00 PM
Hmm... I wonder if there's a secret group out there dedicated to defaming Atheists by making them look like weak, degenerate, obnoxious, so&so's.
There is. They're called "atheists."
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on November 10, 2011, 12:48:57 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 09, 2011, 11:09:00 PM
Hmm... I wonder if there's a secret group out there dedicated to defaming Atheists by making them look like weak, degenerate, obnoxious, so&so's.
There is. They're called "atheists."
OFUK cheladamonitor :lulz:
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on November 10, 2011, 12:48:57 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 09, 2011, 11:09:00 PM
Hmm... I wonder if there's a secret group out there dedicated to defaming Atheists by making them look like weak, degenerate, obnoxious, so&so's.
There is. They're called "atheists."
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: Ahhh.. makes me laugh.
At least as much as The Unicorn In A Box (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFzySgrTFH8) defense of Atheism. He did the right thing and cut the caller off to explain the source of the butthurt.
Truth is that I would be an Atheist if it was useful to me. It's not. If I truly went there as a paradigmatic choice I would probably just give up on the species entirely, and would have to deny my own experiences of Something from several differing perspectives. For me the best choice is clear.
Empty your cup. You know nothing. From there do what seems right and good at all times. If it seems that there's a supernatural influence in your world, go with it and don't freak out. I've seen and experienced pretty intense things that my intellectual integrity will
NOT allow me to call proof of God(or Whatever), but also won't allow me to write off my previous experiences and say I know what's up with the cosmos.
Atheistic Materialism only allows you the limited experiences of the senses and the intellect. It cannot account for the totality of human experience. It is irrational; we are irrational. These gods of ours, "real" or not, affect human behavior in ways that change and sometimes end lives. What could be more real than something that can cause another, or you yourself, to kill you?
Of course, I could be wrong. If so it doesn't matter and we don't either.
You've had non-materialistic experiences, then?
Quote from: Cain on November 10, 2011, 03:21:46 AM
You've had non-materialistic experiences, then?
I don't know. Maybe.
It's hard to account for things that defy my understanding. I've seen possession phenomena of a few different flavors like Demonic, Pentecostal, Santerian, and miscellaneous. They are neurologically and phenomenologically distinct from fakers. I'm no neurologist, but It's my understanding that there's "nobody home" in the cortex when these things happen. I'll try to find links to the study.
As phenomena the question becomes "Are the people reporting them reliable?" If a person displays super strength and identifies itself as a known entity that the "victim" could know nothing about like Ishbaal(a demon's name meaning "man or servant of Baal") speaking through some ignorant ex-con and correcting the people questioning it angrily when they miss-hear the speech said as Isabel (the girl's name meaning "God's promise" in Hebrew) it makes me wonder. (true personal story and not the scariest I've had) People seem to also display knowledge of people or events happening in another room and languages that they had no opportunity to learn in these states.
I know that the material is all that my brain has to work with. I know that our understanding and ability to measure the material world is limited and the interpretation of the data likely flawed because of this. I think it's less that I've had non-materialistic experiences than that there's a material physics to the "spiritual" world. If there is such a thing. If there isn't then it would seem the mind is powerful enough to make it real for multiple participants.
Have you ever had a questionably-materialistic experience Cain?
I am an atheist, but everything said in this thread about them is absolutely true.
And, hilarious.
I'm not an atheist.
Because being something indicates a set of values and beliefs, as PZ Myers has pointed out before.
I just say, "There is no god", and go on with my life.
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 10, 2011, 06:20:14 AM
I'm not an atheist.
Because being something indicates a set of values and beliefs, as PZ Myers has pointed out before.
I just say, "There is no god", and go on with my life.
I think I do have a set of values and beliefs, though I am not overly rigid about most of them. But I am pretty much what your last line states anyway, Kai.
Quote from: Hoopla on November 10, 2011, 06:25:21 AM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 10, 2011, 06:20:14 AM
I'm not an atheist.
Because being something indicates a set of values and beliefs, as PZ Myers has pointed out before.
I just say, "There is no god", and go on with my life.
I think I do have a set of values and beliefs, though I am not overly rigid about most of them. But I am pretty much what your last line states anyway, Kai.
Oh, I have a set of values and beliefs. I just don't think they fall under the label 'atheist' as it is used today. And I don't care to cast myself into the great Sea of Argument under that guise. I think it's a waste of my time.
Naturalist? Now that's a label I can get under. Not that I describe myself as such, I just think it's more akin to my interests than the aforementioned atheist label. It also describes my scientific interests as well (as in, Darwin was a naturalist).
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 10, 2011, 06:32:38 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 10, 2011, 06:25:21 AM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on November 10, 2011, 06:20:14 AM
I'm not an atheist.
Because being something indicates a set of values and beliefs, as PZ Myers has pointed out before.
I just say, "There is no god", and go on with my life.
I think I do have a set of values and beliefs, though I am not overly rigid about most of them. But I am pretty much what your last line states anyway, Kai.
Oh, I have a set of values and beliefs. I just don't think they fall under the label 'atheist' as it is used today. And I don't care to cast myself into the great Sea of Argument under that guise. I think it's a waste of my time.
Naturalist? Now that's a label I can get under. Not that I describe myself as such, I just think it's more akin to my interests than the aforementioned atheist label. It also describes my scientific interests as well (as in, Darwin was a naturalist).
When I was in about 2nd or 3rd grade, people asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up, and I said, "a naturalist."
True story.
I don't self-identify as an atheist for similar reasons. It just gives people the wrong idea. I may not believe in god and the supernatural, but I don't think such beliefs preclude one from being a decent human being. That's what "Atheist" seems to convey.
I'm god, and I don't see sufficient evidence of atheists.
I'm a pedantheist, which means I will religiously argue over the definition of whether an atheist and somebody that doesn't believe in God is or is not actually being religious or not basing their ideas on evidence or belief, maybe, strictly, from a contrarian point of view.
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 10, 2011, 03:03:11 PM
I'm a pedantheist, which means I will religiously argue over the definition of whether an atheist and somebody that doesn't believe in God is or is not actually being religious or not basing their ideas on evidence or belief, maybe, strictly, from a contrarian point of view.
:lulz:
Maybe you can explain the difference between someone who does believe that God doesn't exist and someone who doesn't believe that God does exist. I have seen several instances of people trying to split that hair. It seems to be point is a crucial distinction between different types of atheism.
The first one involves having a belief, and the other one doesn't, necessarily.
The second one can then be broken down further into at least two more categories:
1.) people who believe that the existence or non-existence of a god is inherently unknowable
2.) people who don't believe that they have enough information to determine whether the existence or non-existence of a god is inherently unknowable or not
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 10, 2011, 10:21:12 PM
The first one involves having a belief, and the other one doesn't, necessarily.
The second one can then be broken down further into at least two more categories:
1.) people who believe that the existence or non-existence of a god is inherently unknowable
2.) people who don't believe that they have enough information to determine whether the existence or non-existence of a god is inherently unknowable or not
Isn't (1) an Agnostic?
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on November 10, 2011, 10:32:13 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 10, 2011, 10:21:12 PM
The first one involves having a belief, and the other one doesn't, necessarily.
The second one can then be broken down further into at least two more categories:
1.) people who believe that the existence or non-existence of a god is inherently unknowable
2.) people who don't believe that they have enough information to determine whether the existence or non-existence of a god is inherently unknowable or not
Isn't (1) an Agnostic?
One is an assumption, the second is closer to proper analysis and deduction.
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 09, 2011, 02:02:19 PM
(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/antitwister/chris.jpg)
Cristina Rad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGbynOi9tIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTUNh7Goiu8
After watching a few of her videos I can honestly say that girl is incredibly well spoken and capable of speaking on athiesm without using the language of absolutes that the militant athiests use. I'm impressed and that has
nothing to do with how beautiful she looks.
Quote from: Faust on November 10, 2011, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 09, 2011, 02:02:19 PM
(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad195/antitwister/chris.jpg)
Cristina Rad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGbynOi9tIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTUNh7Goiu8
After watching a few of her videos I can honestly say that girl is incredibly well spoken and capable of speaking on athiesm without using the language of absolutes that the militant athiests use. I'm impressed and that has nothing to do with how beautiful she looks.
I agree.
I know several atheists IRL, and none of them speak in absolutes. All of the militant atheists I know, I only know through the internet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ijRn6JORs&feature=related
Here's my question to you atheists: If god doesn't exist .... who wrote the bible?
Think about that one, she tells us, think about it.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 11, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ijRn6JORs&feature=related
Here's my question to you atheists: If god doesn't exist .... who wrote the bible?
Think about that one, she tells us, think about it.
She MUST be trolling. It's the only conclusion I'm ok with.
If she's not then my one comfort is that she is a she and can only produce just so many offspring in a lifetime.
Now this guy would be a great match for Mr. Hovind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tKw-WWfpZo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tKw-WWfpZo&feature=related)
Since neither of them really debate, Hovind because he's running material and this guy because he's smart enough not to try, they could just have a jailhouse tussle. My money's on the new guy, he's stylish!
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 11, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 11, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ijRn6JORs&feature=related
Here's my question to you atheists: If god doesn't exist .... who wrote the bible?
Think about that one, she tells us, think about it.
She MUST be trolling. It's the only conclusion I'm ok with.
I'm afraid you'll have to be not okay, then. I know for a fact that there are those out there who don't believe that they can make decisions on their own, it's God that makes them make those decisions, after they pray for guidance. It stands to reason people actually think God wrote the bible.
And before we jump down that sewer, I'm not specifically meaning "Look what he MADE me do," it's more like "God made me make the right decision of not beating the ever loving snot out of my child when he he talked back to me."
Quote from: Science me, babby on November 11, 2011, 07:23:21 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 11, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 11, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ijRn6JORs&feature=related
Here's my question to you atheists: If god doesn't exist .... who wrote the bible?
Think about that one, she tells us, think about it.
She MUST be trolling. It's the only conclusion I'm ok with.
I'm afraid you'll have to be not okay, then. I know for a fact that there are those out there who don't believe that they can make decisions on their own, it's God that makes them make those decisions, after they pray for guidance. It stands to reason people actually think God wrote the bible.
And before we jump down that sewer, I'm not specifically meaning "Look what he MADE me do," it's more like "God made me make the right decision of not beating the ever loving snot out of my child when he he talked back to me."
Guys, you're missing the point.
Think about it,
just think about it.
Don't actually come to any conclusions, or critically examine the statement. You think you're so smart, don't you? Just
think about it.
Also, I was having a very strange dream, but that's not important.
Quote from: Cain on November 11, 2011, 07:26:09 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on November 11, 2011, 07:23:21 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 11, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 11, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ijRn6JORs&feature=related
Here's my question to you atheists: If god doesn't exist .... who wrote the bible?
Think about that one, she tells us, think about it.
She MUST be trolling. It's the only conclusion I'm ok with.
I'm afraid you'll have to be not okay, then. I know for a fact that there are those out there who don't believe that they can make decisions on their own, it's God that makes them make those decisions, after they pray for guidance. It stands to reason people actually think God wrote the bible.
And before we jump down that sewer, I'm not specifically meaning "Look what he MADE me do," it's more like "God made me make the right decision of not beating the ever loving snot out of my child when he he talked back to me."
Guys, you're missing the point. Think about it, just think about it.
Don't actually come to any conclusions, or critically examine the statement. You think you're so smart, don't you? Just think about it.
Also, I was having a very strange dream, but that's not important.
You know something? You're
right. Now let's hear about that dream, too, I bet it makes sense if you talk it out.
Quote from: Science me, babby on November 11, 2011, 07:23:21 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 11, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 11, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ijRn6JORs&feature=related
Here's my question to you atheists: If god doesn't exist .... who wrote the bible?
Think about that one, she tells us, think about it.
She MUST be trolling. It's the only conclusion I'm ok with.
I'm afraid you'll have to be not okay, then. I know for a fact that there are those out there who don't believe that they can make decisions on their own, it's God that makes them make those decisions, after they pray for guidance. It stands to reason people actually think God wrote the bible.
And before we jump down that sewer, I'm not specifically meaning "Look what he MADE me do," it's more like "God made me make the right decision of not beating the ever loving snot out of my child when he he talked back to me."
Quote from: Cain on November 11, 2011, 07:26:09 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on November 11, 2011, 07:23:21 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 11, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 11, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ijRn6JORs&feature=related
Here's my question to you atheists: If god doesn't exist .... who wrote the bible?
Think about that one, she tells us, think about it.
She MUST be trolling. It's the only conclusion I'm ok with.
I'm afraid you'll have to be not okay, then. I know for a fact that there are those out there who don't believe that they can make decisions on their own, it's God that makes them make those decisions, after they pray for guidance. It stands to reason people actually think God wrote the bible.
And before we jump down that sewer, I'm not specifically meaning "Look what he MADE me do," it's more like "God made me make the right decision of not beating the ever loving snot out of my child when he he talked back to me."
Guys, you're missing the point. Think about it, just think about it.
Don't actually come to any conclusions, or critically examine the statement. You think you're so smart, don't you? Just think about it.
Also, I was having a very strange dream, but that's not important.
:cry: I don't wanna
think about it.
God doesn't
want me to!
God said so,
just now, God said, "Joe, that chick's not one of my proudest moments, but I need her to exist for this traffic accident I'm planning in a few years that will ultimately lead to a chain of events that I can't explain to you now or you head will bust that aneurysm I've been working on in there. Chill out and sit down."
Take a look at the expression on her face in this picture:
(http://i.imgur.com/YFQrz.jpg)
Looks an awful lot like this facial expression to me:
(http://i.imgur.com/0zO04.png)
Quote from: Science me, babby on November 11, 2011, 07:23:21 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 11, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 11, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ijRn6JORs&feature=related
Here's my question to you atheists: If god doesn't exist .... who wrote the bible?
Think about that one, she tells us, think about it.
She MUST be trolling. It's the only conclusion I'm ok with.
I'm afraid you'll have to be not okay, then. I know for a fact that there are those out there who don't believe that they can make decisions on their own, it's God that makes them make those decisions, after they pray for guidance. It stands to reason people actually think God wrote the bible.
And before we jump down that sewer, I'm not specifically meaning "Look what he MADE me do," it's more like "God made me make the right decision of not beating the ever loving snot out of my child when he he talked back to me."
My Catholic relatives in South Bend evidently do this. And if you're upset, they send you to the bathroom to pray. :lulz: It's part of the reason why my mother was absolutely against me applying to Notre Dame.
Of course, it's Indiana. I'm pretty sure it's never produced a sensible person, ever. (Wasn't the black doe poet guy from there? I want to say he was)
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on November 11, 2011, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: Science me, babby on November 11, 2011, 07:23:21 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 11, 2011, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 11, 2011, 06:53:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ijRn6JORs&feature=related
Here's my question to you atheists: If god doesn't exist .... who wrote the bible?
Think about that one, she tells us, think about it.
She MUST be trolling. It's the only conclusion I'm ok with.
I'm afraid you'll have to be not okay, then. I know for a fact that there are those out there who don't believe that they can make decisions on their own, it's God that makes them make those decisions, after they pray for guidance. It stands to reason people actually think God wrote the bible.
And before we jump down that sewer, I'm not specifically meaning "Look what he MADE me do," it's more like "God made me make the right decision of not beating the ever loving snot out of my child when he he talked back to me."
My Catholic relatives in South Bend evidently do this. And if you're upset, they send you to the bathroom to pray. :lulz: It's part of the reason why my mother was absolutely against me applying to Notre Dame.
Of course, it's Indiana. I'm pretty sure it's never produced a sensible person, ever. (Wasn't the black doe poet guy from there? I want to say he was)
My only regret from the last couple of years was that South Bend wasn't in the fallout pattern from Indianapolis.
TGRR,
Doesn't give a damn if it's too soon. I spend a month in South Bend, one week.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on November 10, 2011, 10:32:13 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 10, 2011, 10:21:12 PM
The first one involves having a belief, and the other one doesn't, necessarily.
The second one can then be broken down further into at least two more categories:
1.) people who believe that the existence or non-existence of a god is inherently unknowable
2.) people who don't believe that they have enough information to determine whether the existence or non-existence of a god is inherently unknowable or not
Isn't (1) an Agnostic?
Wikipedia sez:
QuoteIn the strict sense, however, agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify knowledge whether God exists or does not.
Not sure who decided that, though. I'm cool with calling the second group
"The Shrugs"