This is a pretty good dissection of the differing views on welfare held by anti-statists. The quoted bit is from an article called "Neither State Nor Market: An Anarchist Perspective on Social Welfare" by Steve Millet that is not available online and basically sums up the Anarchist view on it (if anarchism is defined in the traditional, socialist way rather than anarcho capitalism) the article is clearly written from a left-anarchist perspective but the libertarians are quoted in context and their perspective is, IMO fairly well enunciated.
http://propertyistheft.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/anarchist-communism-public-services-and-the-welfare-state/
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Any definition of society should include an ability to take care of the welfare of its members, not just those members who have a privileged place in the social hierarchy. Welfare should be an intrinsic part of any society, therefore, not simply a functional extra. This requires that society is organized first and foremost to provide welfare. What anarchism calls for is the re-absorption of the provision of welfare into the daily lives of the citizens of the community. Welfare thus becomes not simply a function—something provided by a system or the workers in a system—but part of the everyday life of the community and its citizens.
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The failure of the State to provide social welfare should not be seen as undermining the idea of social welfare itself, but of invalidating the role of the State; welfare is inextricably linked to empowerment, which is why State-provided welfare is always going to have minimal success. At the same time we should be under no illusions as to what the effects on the poor will be of the paring down of what State provision there is in the name of the market: without a viable alternative, the market simply means sink or swim, and to sink means poverty, destitution, homelessness, even death. The attempt to free welfare from the State cannot be left to the free marketeers of the Right. The need for a democratic and participatory alternative to the Welfare State has never been more urgent.
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:tldr:
i think they just speak thru their ideals and needs goggles...
welfare cant be done even if the state wanted to right now. the state has been weakened after decades of neoliberal politics.
even if it was possible, welfare should be structured within a logic of being used for reintegration to society and to overcome exclusion, not just handouts that dont help people get anywhere
:lulz:
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 02, 2012, 07:20:57 PM
i think they just speak thru their ideals and needs goggles...
welfare cant be done even if the state wanted to right now. the state has been weakened after decades of neoliberal politics.
even if it was possible, welfare should be structured within a logic of being used for reintegration to society and to overcome exclusion, not just handouts that dont help people get anywhere
I would agree that welfare isn't really possible at the moment because of neoliberalism, however I don't think that is somthing that is left out of the article or that the idea of welfare as integration into society is left out of it.
The anarchist ideal of welfare as a universal value doesn't exclude reintegration and training and so forth. Also, some people do actually require handouts, those in poverty shouldn't for longer than it takes to climb out of it but the handicapped still do.
Johnny, you are aware that Babylon is a snuff freak, right?
What's that got to do with anything?
I mean, we're all free to ignore him for being such a disgusting individual, but it doesn't mean we should expect some sort of orthodoxy in the matter.
Oh, wow. I thought the "corpsefucker" thing was just a new tag we were throwing around now...like asshat. I didn't realize you were describing someone who really likes to insert his peenoid into expired meat friends.
Quote from: navkat on May 03, 2012, 11:16:37 PM
Oh, wow. I thought the "corpsefucker" thing was just a new tag we were throwing around now...like asshat. I didn't realize you were describing someone who really likes to insert his peenoid into expired meat friends.
Oh no, it is directly tied to sickfuck muderrapist BH. I can't think of any instances in which that tag was directed at anyone who wasn't murderrapist.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 10:20:41 PM
Johnny, you are aware that Babylon is a snuff freak, right?
Wait, like
ACTUAL snuff?
What the fecal? Why isn't he like, in jail? Why is he even here? I'm pretty sure killing and raping motherfuckers is grounds for bannination, no?
Or
:?
He isn't in jail because he presumably hasn't done anything to land him there. He did mention it, though, and the fact that he wrote snuff porn to deal with it. It was in an unrelated conversation, so I'm not sure what made him do it, other than to gross out/disturb everyone.
where's the thread?
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
He isn't in jail because he presumably hasn't done anything to land him there. He did mention it, though, and the fact that he wrote snuff porn to deal with it. It was in an unrelated conversation, so I'm not sure what made him do it, other than to gross out/disturb everyone.
He made his disgusting sexual kink made public, knowing that people would be disgusted AND defends his sick kink.
And then his dumbass called me a mass murderer that joined the Army because killing people turned me on.
Quote from: navkat on May 03, 2012, 11:26:50 PM
where's the thread?
I could not even begin to tell you. He made a comment in thread drift.
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 03, 2012, 11:33:40 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
He isn't in jail because he presumably hasn't done anything to land him there. He did mention it, though, and the fact that he wrote snuff porn to deal with it. It was in an unrelated conversation, so I'm not sure what made him do it, other than to gross out/disturb everyone.
He made his disgusting sexual kink made public, knowing that people would be disgusted AND defends his sick kink.
And then his dumbass called me a mass murderer that joined the Army because killing people turned me on.
And later on called me a pedo defender when I got into it with Wyldkat.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 11:38:58 PM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 03, 2012, 11:33:40 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
He isn't in jail because he presumably hasn't done anything to land him there. He did mention it, though, and the fact that he wrote snuff porn to deal with it. It was in an unrelated conversation, so I'm not sure what made him do it, other than to gross out/disturb everyone.
He made his disgusting sexual kink made public, knowing that people would be disgusted AND defends his sick kink.
And then his dumbass called me a mass murderer that joined the Army because killing people turned me on.
And later on called me a pedo defender when I got into it with Wyldkat.
I remember that. Can't go around attacking his internet girlfriend can we.
Quote from: navkat on May 03, 2012, 11:23:06 PM
What the fecal? Why isn't he like, in jail? Why is he even here? I'm pretty sure killing and raping motherfuckers is grounds for bannination, no?
Or
:?
No. Why would it be? Our bannable offenses are pretty strictly limited to things that could cause legal trouble for me or Faust, or people who snitch us out on trolls. I know that relative to the weight of other bannable offenses the snitching thing seems out of place but I just have no tolerance for snitches.
And while we're on the subject (and this isn't directed specifically at you, Nav, this is something that comes up periodically and has always bugged me), why the fuck are people always looking for reasons to ban people from PD just because they don't like that person?
Correct me if I'm wrong (I assure you I'm not), but authoritarianism and personality politics are pretty antithetical to the nature of this place.
This being a place where trolls get organized sometimes, the snitch banning rule seems pretty reasonable to me.
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 03, 2012, 11:33:40 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
He isn't in jail because he presumably hasn't done anything to land him there. He did mention it, though, and the fact that he wrote snuff porn to deal with it. It was in an unrelated conversation, so I'm not sure what made him do it, other than to gross out/disturb everyone.
He made his disgusting sexual kink made public, knowing that people would be disgusted AND defends his sick kink.
And then his dumbass called me a mass murderer that joined the Army because killing people turned me on.
Holy fucking projection. :lulz:
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 04, 2012, 12:21:19 AM
This being a place where trolls get organized sometimes, the snitch banning rule seems pretty reasonable to me.
Oh it totally is. I was just saying that it would be reasonable anyway under the "snitches get stitches" clause in the constitution.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 01:24:43 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 04, 2012, 12:21:19 AM
This being a place where trolls get organized sometimes, the snitch banning rule seems pretty reasonable to me.
Oh it totally is. I was just saying that it would be reasonable anyway under the "snitches get stitches" clause in the constitution.
:lulz:
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on May 04, 2012, 12:27:10 AM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 03, 2012, 11:33:40 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
He isn't in jail because he presumably hasn't done anything to land him there. He did mention it, though, and the fact that he wrote snuff porn to deal with it. It was in an unrelated conversation, so I'm not sure what made him do it, other than to gross out/disturb everyone.
He made his disgusting sexual kink made public, knowing that people would be disgusted AND defends his sick kink.
And then his dumbass called me a mass murderer that joined the Army because killing people turned me on.
Holy fucking projection. :lulz:
Double irony is that he was accusing me of projection on him.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 11:36:22 PM
Quote from: navkat on May 03, 2012, 11:26:50 PM
where's the thread?
I could not even begin to tell you. He made a comment in thread drift.
I think he started a whole thread about his snuff porn writing.
He also made a comment about how if his daughter is ever raped, he hoped they would kill her, so she wouldn't have to live with the horrible shame. Or something like that. He did, however, later say that he changed his mind.
Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 06:57:17 AM
He also made a comment about how if his daughter is ever raped, he hoped they would kill her, so she wouldn't have to live with the horrible shame. Or something like that. He did, however, later say that he changed his mind.
I think it was he would rather his daughter was murdered than raped, because rape according to him is much worse. In other words he didn't want to deal with counseling and emotional support for his daughter in this hypothetical situation.
He did recant his position though.
He is still a fucking sick fuck for thinking it's ok to have sexual fantasies involving the violent death of a partner.
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 04, 2012, 07:02:25 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 06:57:17 AM
He also made a comment about how if his daughter is ever raped, he hoped they would kill her, so she wouldn't have to live with the horrible shame. Or something like that. He did, however, later say that he changed his mind.
I think it was he would rather his daughter was murdered than raped, because rape according to him is much worse. In other words he didn't want to deal with counseling and emotional support for his daughter in this hypothetical situation.
He did recant his position though.
He is still a fucking sick fuck for thinking it's ok to have sexual fantasies involving the violent death of a partner.
No, it was definitely that he hoped that if someone raped her that they would murder her.
I keep thinking the title of this thread is "Anarchism and Warfare", which I would personally find a lot more interesting.
Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 07:27:20 AM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 04, 2012, 07:02:25 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 06:57:17 AM
He also made a comment about how if his daughter is ever raped, he hoped they would kill her, so she wouldn't have to live with the horrible shame. Or something like that. He did, however, later say that he changed his mind.
I think it was he would rather his daughter was murdered than raped, because rape according to him is much worse. In other words he didn't want to deal with counseling and emotional support for his daughter in this hypothetical situation.
He did recant his position though.
He is still a fucking sick fuck for thinking it's ok to have sexual fantasies involving the violent death of a partner.
No, it was definitely that he hoped that if someone raped her that they would murder her.
You are probably right.
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 04, 2012, 07:50:02 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 07:27:20 AM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 04, 2012, 07:02:25 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 06:57:17 AM
He also made a comment about how if his daughter is ever raped, he hoped they would kill her, so she wouldn't have to live with the horrible shame. Or something like that. He did, however, later say that he changed his mind.
I think it was he would rather his daughter was murdered than raped, because rape according to him is much worse. In other words he didn't want to deal with counseling and emotional support for his daughter in this hypothetical situation.
He did recant his position though.
He is still a fucking sick fuck for thinking it's ok to have sexual fantasies involving the violent death of a partner.
No, it was definitely that he hoped that if someone raped her that they would murder her.
You are probably right.
She is, I remember that, too.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 12:10:43 AM
And while we're on the subject (and this isn't directed specifically at you, Nav, this is something that comes up periodically and has always bugged me), why the fuck are people always looking for reasons to ban people from PD just because they don't like that person?
Correct me if I'm wrong (I assure you I'm not), but authoritarianism and personality politics are pretty antithetical to the nature of this place.
Yeah but it's yet another thing to disagree and argue about, really REALLY disagree about and discuss how hateworthy stupid and disgusting something is, SO much that we're in almost
unanimous disagreement with eachother.
Either way, I agree with the disagreement that being a complete and utter disgusting shithead in parts of one's life pretty much unrelated to this board can in no way really be a bannable offense.
Quote from: Cain on May 04, 2012, 07:42:12 AM
I keep thinking the title of this thread is "Anarchism and Warfare", which I would personally find a lot more interesting.
If I didn't know it would turn into a thread about my sexual fantasies, just like this one, I'd start a thread on that. Anarchists played a fairly important part in both the Spanish civil war and the Soviet revolution.
One is forced to wonder why you bother starting threads at all, knowing that.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 06:33:09 PM
One is forced to wonder why you bother starting threads at all, knowing that.
This one was because Dok persists in harping on the "Anarchist on Welfare" thing as if welfare is against Anarchist principles.
That way I have a thread to link to every time he does that.
Bollocks. Anyone dumb enough to be an anarchist is too dumb to have prinicples worth caring about anyway.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
Bollocks. Anyone dumb enough to be an anarchist is too dumb to have principles worth caring about anyway.
For you maybe, he seems to care enough about the contradiction that he perceives to mention it fairly often.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 12:10:43 AM
And while we're on the subject (and this isn't directed specifically at you, Nav, this is something that comes up periodically and has always bugged me), why the fuck are people always looking for reasons to ban people from PD just because they don't like that person?
Correct me if I'm wrong (I assure you I'm not), but authoritarianism and personality politics are pretty antithetical to the nature of this place.
You're not wrong. Usually I would never even suggest such a thing but it sounds like this guy admitted to committing a serious crime and bragged about it on here. From an admin/former PR Assistant/leadership perspective, that's problematic from a couple of angles:
1. The obvious: if someone's committed a serious crime that has not yet been prosecuted and we are made aware of these acts, every single member who has opened the thread is now potentially laden with the responsibility to report it. Additionally, the admin, the forum owner and the host, using your good judgement, are all potentially responsible to lock the thread, remove it from view/disable edits, save a copy of it and deliver it to the authorities as evidence.
2. Some of our members on here (for whom we care) have been the victims of rape and other violent violations (I hesitate to use the word "crime" because lawfulness is not at issue here) who (depending on the circumstances and according to your good judgement, of course) may be construed to suffer egregious offense proximately akin to harassment. I'm not talking about butthurt here. I'm not talking about short-circuiting our mutually shared belief that we all need to "get over" the bars in our cages composed of that which deeply "offends" us. What I'm talking about is the fact that there is genuine and measurable damage when someone has been the victim of these violations and an ongoing cycle of self-loathing-->vulnerability-->injustice-->FEAR-->living with having to "suck it up" that you can not inflict some sort of agony on the responsible party. Being exposed to another violent "responsible party" who is openly and brazenly
flaunting his (criminal) violent, malevolent incursions is a little much to ask people to bear. It hits a little too close to home for someone who continues to have bi-monthly panic attacks and pillow-screaming, crying jags over their personal ordeal. I think it more than reasonable/fair to judge that as akin to the same packet of fear-->vulnerability-->helplessness-->anger that is delivered to a member who has been harassed, stalked or threatened by another member which is
why we deem it as a bannable offense. Bannination, to my understanding, is not a
punitive measure, but one of
prevention and protection: nobody should have to eat that shit and we aren't going to facilitate it here.
Now you may think the second is a slippery slope and I concede that there is a good reason to see it that way. From the viewpoint of strict adherence to our policy that we don't ban people for being
offensive, my second point would be moot. But we do not believe in strict, senseless adherence to anything. Our preservation of the right to be a scourge-of-the-earth offensive fuck is, at its very
core, based on the dearly held belief that you should not hold a belief so dear, you are unwilling to part with it in the name of good common sense. I strongly believe this is one of those common sense moments.
Now, here are some "differential diagnoses" to demarcate some subtle differences in category:
- For all I know, half you guys could be on the sex-offenders list. Many of you have probably been in fights, gone to jail, done some fucked up things to past girlfriends, whatever. I don't care. It's none of my business because you don't
make it my business. If someone were to disclose in the spirit of "I realize this is fucked up but I smacked my girlfriend last night and I'm not proud of it." Okay. I'm sure some people would respond angrily to that but disclosing that in the spirit of making amends/seeking advice/decompressing is a lot different than disclosing violent acts in an effort to make this audience
unwilling party to self-masturbatory, exhibitionist thrill-motivated disclosure.
- Telling jokes about dead hookers, dead babies, Korean sex slaves, paedophillia, rape and a wealth of other shocking topics is also not the same because it's
hypothetical. A reasonably intelligent human being--even if they are not amused, do not see the humour and find such talk offensive--could assume that no one is implying they have done, are doing or plan to commit these acts nor are we soliciting, promoting or propagating the commission of such malevolence by ourselves or others. Let me put this clearly: no one (such as I believe may also be true of the case that sparked this discussion) is attempting to put out a "smoke signal" to see what "friendlies" may be in the audience who may respond positively (privately or not) to these admissions and possibly derive pleasure from/join in the perpetuation of these activities (thereby, making PD party to conspiracy as well, but that falls under #1).
I agree that you can not censor people for being
offensive but I assert that it is
not censorship to chuck someone out on his ass as a preventative measure to end his gleeful usury of our members to validate, exhibit and possibly propagate his malevolent, violent (criminal) activities.
I know this got long but I felt your question (and this matter) deserved a thorough, intelligent reply. Thank you for allowing me to present this/taking the time to read and consider.
Given we have no dead members posting, I see no threat to any existing members.
Quote from: Cain on May 04, 2012, 08:15:33 PM
Given we have no dead members posting, I see no threat to any existing members.
Are you being facetious?
The problem, nav, is that BH only admitted to reading and writing snuff fiction. No actual acts of violence sexual or otherwise that i know of.
Quote from: navkat on May 04, 2012, 08:26:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 04, 2012, 08:15:33 PM
Given we have no dead members posting, I see no threat to any existing members.
Are you being facetious?
Yes, but I'm also right. Which is the
best way to be facetious.
You, on the other hand, really haven't done the research and are going to feel very silly about your post up there.
Quote from: navkat on May 04, 2012, 08:14:21 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 12:10:43 AM
And while we're on the subject (and this isn't directed specifically at you, Nav, this is something that comes up periodically and has always bugged me), why the fuck are people always looking for reasons to ban people from PD just because they don't like that person?
Correct me if I'm wrong (I assure you I'm not), but authoritarianism and personality politics are pretty antithetical to the nature of this place.
You're not wrong. Usually I would never even suggest such a thing but it sounds like this guy admitted to committing a serious crime and bragged about it on here. From an admin/former PR Assistant/leadership perspective, that's problematic from a couple of angles:
1. The obvious: if someone's committed a serious crime that has not yet been prosecuted and we are made aware of these acts, every single member who has opened the thread is now potentially laden with the responsibility to report it. Additionally, the admin, the forum owner and the host, using your good judgement, are all potentially responsible to lock the thread, remove it from view/disable edits, save a copy of it and deliver it to the authorities as evidence.
2. Some of our members on here (for whom we care) have been the victims of rape and other violent violations (I hesitate to use the word "crime" because lawfulness is not at issue here) who (depending on the circumstances and according to your good judgement, of course) may be construed to suffer egregious offense proximately akin to harassment. I'm not talking about butthurt here. I'm not talking about short-circuiting our mutually shared belief that we all need to "get over" the bars in our cages composed of that which deeply "offends" us. What I'm talking about is the fact that there is genuine and measurable damage when someone has been the victim of these violations and an ongoing cycle of self-loathing-->vulnerability-->injustice-->FEAR-->living with having to "suck it up" that you can not inflict some sort of agony on the responsible party. Being exposed to another violent "responsible party" who is openly and brazenly flaunting his (criminal) violent, malevolent incursions is a little much to ask people to bear. It hits a little too close to home for someone who continues to have bi-monthly panic attacks and pillow-screaming, crying jags over their personal ordeal. I think it more than reasonable/fair to judge that as akin to the same packet of fear-->vulnerability-->helplessness-->anger that is delivered to a member who has been harassed, stalked or threatened by another member which is why we deem it as a bannable offense. Bannination, to my understanding, is not a punitive measure, but one of prevention and protection: nobody should have to eat that shit and we aren't going to facilitate it here.
Now you may think the second is a slippery slope and I concede that there is a good reason to see it that way. From the viewpoint of strict adherence to our policy that we don't ban people for being offensive, my second point would be moot. But we do not believe in strict, senseless adherence to anything. Our preservation of the right to be a scourge-of-the-earth offensive fuck is, at its very core, based on the dearly held belief that you should not hold a belief so dear, you are unwilling to part with it in the name of good common sense. I strongly believe this is one of those common sense moments.
Now, here are some "differential diagnoses" to demarcate some subtle differences in category:
- For all I know, half you guys could be on the sex-offenders list. Many of you have probably been in fights, gone to jail, done some fucked up things to past girlfriends, whatever. I don't care. It's none of my business because you don't make it my business. If someone were to disclose in the spirit of "I realize this is fucked up but I smacked my girlfriend last night and I'm not proud of it." Okay. I'm sure some people would respond angrily to that but disclosing that in the spirit of making amends/seeking advice/decompressing is a lot different than disclosing violent acts in an effort to make this audience unwilling party to self-masturbatory, exhibitionist thrill-motivated disclosure.
- Telling jokes about dead hookers, dead babies, Korean sex slaves, paedophillia, rape and a wealth of other shocking topics is also not the same because it's hypothetical. A reasonably intelligent human being--even if they are not amused, do not see the humour and find such talk offensive--could assume that no one is implying they have done, are doing or plan to commit these acts nor are we soliciting, promoting or propagating the commission of such malevolence by ourselves or others. Let me put this clearly: no one (such as I believe may also be true of the case that sparked this discussion) is attempting to put out a "smoke signal" to see what "friendlies" may be in the audience who may respond positively (privately or not) to these admissions and possibly derive pleasure from/join in the perpetuation of these activities (thereby, making PD party to conspiracy as well, but that falls under #1).
I agree that you can not censor people for being offensive but I assert that it is not censorship to chuck someone out on his ass as a preventative measure to end his gleeful usury of our members to validate, exhibit and possibly propagate his malevolent, violent (criminal) activities.
I know this got long but I felt your question (and this matter) deserved a thorough, intelligent reply. Thank you for allowing me to present this/taking the time to read and consider.
Nav, I love ya....but you're so far off-base with this that I can't even come up with a cogent reply other than to just say "uhh, no."
Furthermore, I seem to remember a time on PD that, if we found someone's actions and/or morally objectionable but not actually against the rules, we didn't sit around and whinge, looking for excuses to use the banhammer.
We had other ways of dealing with the problem.
Nav, nobody said he did anything illegal, nor admitted to it. I said that further upthread. He hasn't done anything except for write snuff porn and possibly done some consensual if not safe things with his wife.
I loathe the piece of shit, and am disgusted by him, but he hasn't done anything that we know of, other than be a nasty gross disgusting individual.
Quote from: Phox, Mistress of Many Names on May 04, 2012, 08:31:36 PM
The problem, nav, is that BH only admitted to reading and writing snuff fiction. No actual acts of violence sexual or otherwise that i know of.
That's right, also none planned, or condoned.
Everyone fantasizes about things which would be wrong if they actually did them, my "don't talk about that shit" filter is just rather weaker than most and my fantasies about things that are wrong are of a sort that hits some people's freak out button.
Anyone who feels violated by my having those fantasies isn't being violated by me though, I'm not the one who keeps bringing them up. I also stay out of threads about sexual violence of any kind even if I have something to say about what is being discussed because I know my presence there isn't going to be helpful. That point was, admittedly, driven home rather hard by Nigel, but even if it took me a minute to learn I have learned it.
QuoteEveryone fantasizes about things which would be wrong if they actually did them
Don't bring the entire human race down to your level, you sick fuck.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 04, 2012, 10:20:14 PM
QuoteEveryone fantasizes about things which would be wrong if they actually did them
Don't bring the entire human race down to your level, you sick fuck.
I know you aren't a counter example because you've mentioned fantasizing about setting your asshole ex on fire.
Quote from: Cain on May 04, 2012, 08:15:33 PM
Given we have no dead members posting, I see no threat to any existing members.
If he was a necrophiliac, I would find him less objectionable. But it's not that he wants to fuck dead people; it's that he wants to fuck people while he kills them.
I also think that one thing everyone should keep in mind when tempted to heap abuse on him is that
he likes the abuse. It's attention, and he likes any kind of attention.
Quote from: navkat on May 03, 2012, 11:16:37 PM
Oh, wow. I thought the "corpsefucker" thing was just a new tag we were throwing around now...like asshat. I didn't realize you were describing someone who really likes to insert his peenoid into expired meat friends.
No, that's necrophilia. His kink is the idea of killing his partner during sex.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on May 04, 2012, 10:35:22 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 04, 2012, 10:20:14 PM
QuoteEveryone fantasizes about things which would be wrong if they actually did them
Don't bring the entire human race down to your level, you sick fuck.
I know you aren't a counter example because you've mentioned fantasizing about setting your asshole ex on fire.
Link or STFU.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 04, 2012, 10:20:14 PM
QuoteEveryone fantasizes about things which would be wrong if they actually did them
Don't bring the entire human race down to your level, you sick fuck.
Interesting... that's the same justification rapists use.
Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 04, 2012, 10:20:14 PM
QuoteEveryone fantasizes about things which would be wrong if they actually did them
Don't bring the entire human race down to your level, you sick fuck.
Interesting... that's the same justification rapists use.
That's exactly my point.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on May 04, 2012, 10:35:22 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 04, 2012, 10:20:14 PM
QuoteEveryone fantasizes about things which would be wrong if they actually did them
Don't bring the entire human race down to your level, you sick fuck.
I know you aren't a counter example because you've mentioned fantasizing about setting your asshole ex on fire.
No. I haven't.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 04, 2012, 11:33:58 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on May 04, 2012, 10:35:22 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 04, 2012, 10:20:14 PM
QuoteEveryone fantasizes about things which would be wrong if they actually did them
Don't bring the entire human race down to your level, you sick fuck.
I know you aren't a counter example because you've mentioned fantasizing about setting your asshole ex on fire.
Link or STFU.
I couldn't find the post I was thinking of, Freeky is a prolific poster, but I did find this one fantasizing about harpooning fat people.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,32343.msg1169864.html#msg1169864
I'm not trying to pick on Freeky, actually scrolling through her posts and trying to find an example I found way less than I had expected, it took ten pages to find one. She's either got way less violent thoughts than most people or she expresses them way less.
I call Poe's law on the rapist thing. Everyone excuses things that they do as part of being human, we all think we are normal, or at least close to normal.
I don't care if it was me that said "Don't bring the entire human race down to your level," A) I wasn't talking about myself, and B) I'm still not at the level of creepitude that you are, and C) I'm not the entire human race.
Having cartoony over-the-top thoughts about harpooning fat people or setting an ex on fire is very, very, very different from masturbating while imagining doing so, or writing explicit pornography with graphic descriptions of harpooning fat people and setting people on fire.
I have gotten turned on watching animals fuck. You know what I DIDN'T do with that? Go off and masturbate while thinking about fucking animals. Because that's sick.
And, no, what she was doing there was not Poe's Law. You invoked the excuse that "everyone does it" to justify/excuse indulging your fantasies of murder/rape perversion. WRONG. Yes, everyone thinks about doing things they would never really do. But most people don't deliberately indulge sexual fantasies about things that are genuinely abhorrent, because to do so would be to disgust themselves. Most people avoid indulging those kinds of fantasies, because they don't want to feed the grotesque, less-than-human parts of themselves. You feed them, and then brag about it.
You are not like most people. You are different, and you are a nasty sticky thing stuck to the bottom of humanity's shoe.
I want to say something while trying to avoid fueling the drama
I do know that Babylon has some deviant sexual stuff going on.
I also know that hes given and taken within a lot of flame threads.
I know people hate anarchy threads.
What i do not know is if hes jacked threads and that has caused other members to anger and jack BH's own threads in retaliation.
If he indeed has jacked threads, i guess its fair punishment to ruin his threads; if he has not jacked threads, i find it unfair to ruin the ones he creates.
I dont mind arguing with people with deviant or opposing ideas or ideology, because i can learn a lot from how they position themselves on a certain issue, i only shun or just stop participating in threads where the OP is being obnoxious or trolling (if you hadnt noticed, i never participate in troll/drama threads).
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 08:40:14 PM
Nav, I love ya....but you're so far off-base with this that I can't even come up with a cogent reply other than to just say "uhh, no."
Wrong about the case itself or wrong in theory? Because the way it was described gave me the impression that he implied he was
doing these things or seeking them or whatever and that, to me is a very fucking dangerous thing to ignore. I tried to express that as clearly as possible without using ridiculous rhetoric or excessively emotional speech.
Two things:
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd
like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who
think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
I think it's completely possible to fantasize about something which you know in the back of your mind would actually make you quite ill if ever confronted with it in real life. I think the mechanism is much the same as emo teenagers fantasizing their own beautiful, bloodless suicides where their skin is unblemished, everyone cries over their perfect lifeless body and no one shits their pance.
2. If indeed this guy
had admitted to actually doing or conspiring to do this type of thing, my post and the reasons I gave still stand. Just because I was misinformed, doesn't mean I don't make a valid point. Y'all are not a squeamish bunch. I don't feel silly or stupid for saying what I said at all in light of the fact that the strong reactions of disgust on here led me to believe he'd done something truly malevolent.
If someone ever
does get on here and brag about raping women, I would say the same things.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 05, 2012, 03:53:23 AM
I want to say something while trying to avoid fueling the drama
I do know that Babylon has some deviant sexual stuff going on.
I also know that hes given and taken within a lot of flame threads.
I know people hate anarchy threads.
What i do not know is if hes jacked threads and that has caused other members to anger and jack BH's own threads in retaliation.
If he indeed has jacked threads, i guess its fair punishment to ruin his threads; if he has not jacked threads, i find it unfair to ruin the ones he creates.
I dont mind arguing with people with deviant or opposing ideas or ideology, because i can learn a lot from how they position themselves on a certain issue, i only shun or just stop participating in threads where the OP is being obnoxious or trolling (if you hadnt noticed, i never participate in troll/drama threads).
Sounds reasonable.
I don't remember if his intentional insulting led to thread jackery, but he has grievously insulted Coyote and I on separate occasions, which led to pages and pages of people jumping on other people and completely disrupting whatever thread it was in.
I would just be ignoring him normally, but I was feeling informative (my initial posts are neutral) and then BH was being an outright liar again. Well, back to ignoring him.
I've got kind of a wild, wild west attitude about these things: You have the right to post what ever offensive shit you want and in turn, people have the right to react authentically.
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
The thing is, I didn't join the Army to blow shit up or kill people. All my choices of jobs in the Army were ones that were relatively non-violent, and I've been rather honest about what I did in the Army. That is particularly why I got pissed about murderrapist's personal attack.
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 04:41:11 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
The thing is, I didn't join the Army to blow shit up or kill people. All my choices of jobs in the Army were ones that were relatively non-violent, and I've been rather honest about what I did in the Army. That is particularly why I got pissed about murderrapist's personal attack.
Yeah, that attack was completely out of line, especially because everyone knew by then Coyote was mostly an administrater type.
And then he called me a pedophile defender, which I patently am not and everybody knows it, but he wasn't even being facetious about it, and since this was on TSC there were strangers who believed him.
And then, just recently, he said that Khara molests her children.
Her own damn children.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 05, 2012, 04:45:18 AM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 04:41:11 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
The thing is, I didn't join the Army to blow shit up or kill people. All my choices of jobs in the Army were ones that were relatively non-violent, and I've been rather honest about what I did in the Army. That is particularly why I got pissed about murderrapist's personal attack.
Yeah, that attack was completely out of line, especially because everyone knew by then Coyote was mostly an administrater type.
And then he called me a pedophile defender, which I patently am not and everybody knows it, but he wasn't even being facetious about it, and since this was on TSC there were strangers who believed him.
And then, just recently, he said that Khara molests her children. Her own damn children.
THAT I saw. It was just dumb. Everyone knows that's not true. Kind of trollish.
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 04:41:11 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
The thing is, I didn't join the Army to blow shit up or kill people. All my choices of jobs in the Army were ones that were relatively non-violent, and I've been rather honest about what I did in the Army. That is particularly why I got pissed about murderrapist's personal attack.
Two points:
1. Of COURSE you didn't join to kill anyone, neither have you said or done anything to indicate that you would enjoy taking lives. Troll account is trollish.
2. That said, the military is inherently violent and you are an adult, of legal age and entered willingly into a contract whose terms imply that you will likely, at some point, be required to take a life to not be in breach of that contract. I did it, you did it, I understand. There a level of disconnect from the following truth: "the purpose of the military is to kill people in a situation wherein my elected officials have determined they will not listen to reason." It's easy to forget when you're in your early 20s and indulging fantasies in your head of decoding intel and jumping out of airplanes but it is nonetheless true and your own fault/responsibility if, after jumping out of airplanes, your orders include putting a slug into the head of a 12 year old child, pointing a gun at you.
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 05:26:54 AM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 04:41:11 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
The thing is, I didn't join the Army to blow shit up or kill people. All my choices of jobs in the Army were ones that were relatively non-violent, and I've been rather honest about what I did in the Army. That is particularly why I got pissed about murderrapist's personal attack.
Two points:
1. Of COURSE you didn't join to kill anyone, neither have you said or done anything to indicate that you would enjoy taking lives. Troll account is trollish.
2. That said, the military is inherently violent and you are an adult, of legal age and entered willingly into a contract whose terms imply that you will likely, at some point, be required to take a life to not be in breach of that contract. I did it, you did it, I understand. There a level of disconnect from the following truth: "the purpose of the military is to kill people in a situation wherein my elected officials have determined they will not listen to reason." It's easy to forget when you're in your early 20s and indulging fantasies in your head of decoding intel and jumping out of airplanes but it is nonetheless true and your own fault/responsibility if, after jumping out of airplanes, your orders include putting a slug into the head of a 12 year old child, pointing a gun at you.
Well you see, I've been aware of that the entire time I've been. Are you trying to say that I shouldn't take umbrage to a fucked up pervert lumping me in with him, or accusing me of projecting my self disgust at my supposed sexual deviancy on to him?
That sick fuck deserves every ounce of scorn and mockery he gets, and deserves to be fucking marginalized every time he thinks he gets to side step all that sickness and make a contribution of any type here.
What Coyote said.
Especially the bit about lumping everyone on earth, every single human being, in with him and his nasty gross badwrong.
And this shitting all over any attempt he makes to slime his way back in as a contributing member is the next best thing to banning him. Sure we might be doing exactly what he wants, and sure he might even get off on the abuse heaped on him, but fuck it, he doesn't deserve rational conversation. I will shit all over any thread he starts that looks like someone might be holding a conversation with him. I ignore his posts in most any other case, because I don't want to jack up someone else's thread.
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 05:15:52 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 05, 2012, 04:45:18 AM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 04:41:11 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
The thing is, I didn't join the Army to blow shit up or kill people. All my choices of jobs in the Army were ones that were relatively non-violent, and I've been rather honest about what I did in the Army. That is particularly why I got pissed about murderrapist's personal attack.
Yeah, that attack was completely out of line, especially because everyone knew by then Coyote was mostly an administrater type.
And then he called me a pedophile defender, which I patently am not and everybody knows it, but he wasn't even being facetious about it, and since this was on TSC there were strangers who believed him.
And then, just recently, he said that Khara molests her children. Her own damn children.
THAT I saw. It was just dumb. Everyone knows that's not true. Kind of trollish.
He didn't seem like he was trolling to me, just trying to make an over the top joke which he for some reason didn't think would be completely and utterly out of line, considering who
he is, what
she went through, etc.
Also, I don't know about Coyote, but the thing that made me feel utter contempt for him was when he said I was a defender of pedophiles, not his sexual deviancy.
I kind of wish you would stop ignoring my posts, woman. I said three times that he hadn't done anything wrong, and you ignored it, and I mentioned that my problem with him is not his gross badwrong, and it seems like you ignored that, too, in favor of defending him.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 05, 2012, 03:53:23 AM
I want to say something while trying to avoid fueling the drama
I do know that Babylon has some deviant sexual stuff going on.
I also know that hes given and taken within a lot of flame threads.
I know people hate anarchy threads.
What i do not know is if hes jacked threads and that has caused other members to anger and jack BH's own threads in retaliation.
If he indeed has jacked threads, i guess its fair punishment to ruin his threads; if he has not jacked threads, i find it unfair to ruin the ones he creates.
I dont mind arguing with people with deviant or opposing ideas or ideology, because i can learn a lot from how they position themselves on a certain issue, i only shun or just stop participating in threads where the OP is being obnoxious or trolling (if you hadnt noticed, i never participate in troll/drama threads).
Depends on how you define jacking threads. I try not to do so, sometimes my presence in threads causes them to get derailed into discussions of my depravity. After someone else starts it I generally don't stop it.
I don't feel that I am being treated unfairly, if that makes any difference.
I made this thread to make a point about something Dok said, that he chooses to derail it in response is not unfair.
That Nigel and Freeky choose to join in is not unfair either.
Navkat was clearly misinformed about me, but her impression has been corrected, by several people.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 05, 2012, 04:45:18 AM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 04:41:11 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
The thing is, I didn't join the Army to blow shit up or kill people. All my choices of jobs in the Army were ones that were relatively non-violent, and I've been rather honest about what I did in the Army. That is particularly why I got pissed about murderrapist's personal attack.
Yeah, that attack was completely out of line, especially because everyone knew by then Coyote was mostly an administrater type.
And then he called me a pedophile defender, which I patently am not and everybody knows it, but he wasn't even being facetious about it, and since this was on TSC there were strangers who believed him.
And then, just recently, he said that Khara molests her children. Her own damn children.
No, I wasn't being facetious, you were defending the character of a pedophile.
Cain has the archives I believe, nobody else does, so I can't link to the discussion in question, but you absolutely were defending a pedophile, you said he did not strike you as a bad person.
I did not mean to seriously imply that Khara molests her children. It was stated that she felt people who are accused of molesting children should be lynched. I accused her, in a way that I assumed nobody could take as a serious accusation, to point out what I saw as moral hypocrisy on her part. Her response was closer to suggesting that I should be lynched for the accusation than that she should be for being accused. (Note, she did not literally suggest my lynching, she did say she hoped I died miserable and alone, and that if she found me god would not be able to save me, showing that Khara is also someone who fantasizes about doing things that she knows would be wrong)
Also, I do not know what Khara went through. I don't know her well, and wherever her history (presumably with child abuse) was posted I have not read it. I'd prefer not to, stories of child abuse really disturb me and are painful for me to read and I avoid them unless reading them is going to give me some knowledge that will be useful. As Khara has asked me never to speak to her again and I intend to honor that request I can't see knowledge of what she's been through being of any use to me at all.
If you can find a counter example, of a human being who honestly does not fantasize about things that they know are wrong, then I'll accept your assertion, but I sincerely doubt that you can.
My attack on Coyote was absolutely a personal attack in a moment of anger, informed by my upbringing. I was taught, as a child, that soldiers were killers, who either chose to be killers or who were deluded into thinking they were doing something noble, or were victims who had been drafted. I know that Coyote doesn't get off on killing people, I was just pissed and lashing out.
He does fantasize about killing people, at least I'm fairly certain he does based on his posts (shovel tarp, being the most easily conjured up example, sorry, no link, Coyote is even more prolific than Freeky)
You admitted to fucking with her on purpose already, dimbass. I don't need a database.
Why the fuck are you people arguing with this piece of shit?
He likes it.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 05, 2012, 06:13:21 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 05:15:52 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 05, 2012, 04:45:18 AM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 04:41:11 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
The thing is, I didn't join the Army to blow shit up or kill people. All my choices of jobs in the Army were ones that were relatively non-violent, and I've been rather honest about what I did in the Army. That is particularly why I got pissed about murderrapist's personal attack.
Yeah, that attack was completely out of line, especially because everyone knew by then Coyote was mostly an administrater type.
And then he called me a pedophile defender, which I patently am not and everybody knows it, but he wasn't even being facetious about it, and since this was on TSC there were strangers who believed him.
And then, just recently, he said that Khara molests her children. Her own damn children.
THAT I saw. It was just dumb. Everyone knows that's not true. Kind of trollish.
He didn't seem like he was trolling to me, just trying to make an over the top joke which he for some reason didn't think would be completely and utterly out of line, considering who he is, what she went through, etc.
Also, I don't know about Coyote, but the thing that made me feel utter contempt for him was when he said I was a defender of pedophiles, not his sexual deviancy.
I kind of wish you would stop ignoring my posts, woman. I said three times that he hadn't done anything wrong, and you ignored it, and I mentioned that my problem with him is not his gross badwrong, and it seems like you ignored that, too, in favor of defending him.
Ack! I'm sorry if I came off that way. I really didn't have a clear picture and from some of your original responses, I got the impression that the connotation was that he didn't out-and-out admit to having committed a crime, he just sort of
implied it gleefully.
I don't think any of my posts defend him at all. I don't know him and the one thing he did that I
have witnessed (the khara thing) makes him seem like a bit of a douche but I'm
trying not to formulate my replies from a position of bias.
I don't know what the fuck I keep doing wrong to imply or come off as though I'm taking sides
against people every time I open my fucking face-hole. It's happened like three times in the last two months: something I said in the C Utopia thread came off as if I was condoning stalking and harassment and there was something else...I can't remember.
I'm pretty damned oblivious of how I the things I say are perceived. I realize this and try to be careful of my wording but lately, I just feel like no matter how many quality ingredients I throw into a thing, I always end up making a shit-sandwich somehow.
I'm sorry if something I said implied I was taking sides with someone for calling coyote a murderer or you a paedophile or Khara one for that matter. Not my intended message. Of COURSE I don't think those things about you guys, nor would I think it's cool that anyone else did. I guess what I was trying to say is: you can't really stop them so why sweat it at all? That's all I was trying to say.
I feel like maybe I just need to pare down my involvement here until I figure out what the fuck I'm doing that's making me come off like such a douche. Again, sorry for any douchiness on my part.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 05, 2012, 03:53:23 AM
I want to say something while trying to avoid fueling the drama
I do know that Babylon has some deviant sexual stuff going on.
I also know that hes given and taken within a lot of flame threads.
I know people hate anarchy threads.
What i do not know is if hes jacked threads and that has caused other members to anger and jack BH's own threads in retaliation.
If he indeed has jacked threads, i guess its fair punishment to ruin his threads; if he has not jacked threads, i find it unfair to ruin the ones he creates.
I dont mind arguing with people with deviant or opposing ideas or ideology, because i can learn a lot from how they position themselves on a certain issue, i only shun or just stop participating in threads where the OP is being obnoxious or trolling (if you hadnt noticed, i never participate in troll/drama threads).
Pretty much this. Everyone is free to ignore BH and think he's a disgusting motherfucker, but turning EVERY thread that he starts into a flamefest about his sexual issues is stupid, annoying, juvenile, and hypocritical. If you want to ignore him then fucking IGNORE him for fuck's sake.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 05, 2012, 03:53:23 AM
I want to say something while trying to avoid fueling the drama
I do know that Babylon has some deviant sexual stuff going on.
I also know that hes given and taken within a lot of flame threads.
I know people hate anarchy threads.
What i do not know is if hes jacked threads and that has caused other members to anger and jack BH's own threads in retaliation.
If he indeed has jacked threads, i guess its fair punishment to ruin his threads; if he has not jacked threads, i find it unfair to ruin the ones he creates.
I dont mind arguing with people with deviant or opposing ideas or ideology, because i can learn a lot from how they position themselves on a certain issue, i only shun or just stop participating in threads where the OP is being obnoxious or trolling (if you hadnt noticed, i never participate in troll/drama threads).
Yes, he has jacked threads. And, he is a piece of shit crapweasel who tags along on trolls and then ruins them, he said something viciously horrific about how women's lives are worthless once they've been raped, he's said other equally wretched and wrongheaded shit, and anyone who thinks he should get a fair shake or deserves to be treated like a human being on any level can GO FUCK THEMSELVES.
Seriously, the ONLY reason I advocate ignoring him is because he prefers abuse to silence, he likes the attention. Otherwise, and I repeat, if you think everyone should shut up about how vile and repulsive he is and how much they hate him because for some reason you think that's against some imaginary bullshit PD code of ethics, GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Quote from: Alty on May 05, 2012, 09:30:33 AM
You admitted to fucking with her on purpose already, dimbass. I don't need a database.
Why the fuck are you people arguing with this piece of shit?
He likes it.
Annnd BAM. Alty lays the truth.
Fuck that piece of shit. He is so desperate to believe that everyone else is just like him that he tries desperately to taint others with his fucked-up perversion brush. He deserves nothing more than to be ignored.
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 08:40:14 PM
Nav, I love ya....but you're so far off-base with this that I can't even come up with a cogent reply other than to just say "uhh, no."
Wrong about the case itself or wrong in theory? Because the way it was described gave me the impression that he implied he was doing these things or seeking them or whatever and that, to me is a very fucking dangerous thing to ignore. I tried to express that as clearly as possible without using ridiculous rhetoric or excessively emotional speech.
Two things:
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
I think it's completely possible to fantasize about something which you know in the back of your mind would actually make you quite ill if ever confronted with it in real life. I think the mechanism is much the same as emo teenagers fantasizing their own beautiful, bloodless suicides where their skin is unblemished, everyone cries over their perfect lifeless body and no one shits their pance.
2. If indeed this guy had admitted to actually doing or conspiring to do this type of thing, my post and the reasons I gave still stand. Just because I was misinformed, doesn't mean I don't make a valid point. Y'all are not a squeamish bunch. I don't feel silly or stupid for saying what I said at all in light of the fact that the strong reactions of disgust on here led me to believe he'd done something truly malevolent.
If someone ever does get on here and brag about raping women, I would say the same things.
Dude, you don't know.
So SHUT THE FUCK UP.
What is with all these assholes having opinions about shit they weren't here for?
What, a bunch of people you normally respect have a virulent immune-system reaction to a self-admitted snuff fetishist based on their shared history, and you fuckers' reaction is to QUESTION WHETHER THEY'RE BEING REASONABLE?
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Go read his post history from start to finish, and THEN form a fucking opinion. FFS.
Of course, you can't actually read all of his fucked-up bullshit because a lot of it was on a now-extinct board that he co-founded with a mod from a board we were trolling at the time.
Which makes him somehow "technically" exempt from the rule against outing trolls. Which, honestly, is a rule we should just get rid of because there's too much gray area around it.
What's the gray area?
If you are a member of PD and out a PD trolling mission at another board you get banned. Unless you are acting in an official administrative capacity at that other board. Same reason Fomento wasn't banned. There's no gray area, it's always been a pretty clear policy.
And I still maintain that following someone around the board jacking up any thread they start or post in into a discussion about their offensive sexual preferences is juvenile and annoying. Perhaps Johnyx is actually interested in discussing with BH how Anarchism relates to welfare. So now it's not just BH that people are fucking with, it's anyone who wants to have a discussion with him about things completely unrelated to what disgusts us about him. It's like some kindergarten playground bullshit, only it's being perpetuated by people who are supposed to be grown-ass adults.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 05:59:30 PM
What's the gray area?
If you are a member of PD and out a PD trolling mission at another board you get banned. Unless you are acting in an official administrative capacity at that other board. Same reason Fomento wasn't banned. There's no gray area, it's always been a pretty clear policy.
And I still maintain that following someone around the board jacking up any thread they start or post in into a discussion about their offensive sexual preferences is juvenile and annoying. Perhaps Johnyx is actually interested in discussing with BH how Anarchism relates to welfare. So now it's not just BH that people are fucking with, it's anyone who wants to have a discussion with him about things completely unrelated to what disgusts us about him. It's like some kindergarten playground bullshit, only it's being perpetuated by people who are supposed to be grown-ass adults.
The gray area is that if someone joins us on a troll and then becomes mod/admin at the target board, they're exempt from the rule. So perhaps it's not "gray" so much as "stupid".
And yeah, the constant kneejerk responses to babs annoy the shit out of me, too, but claiming it's wrong because some kind of PD ethic blah blah is bullshit. The ethic here, for as long as I've been around, has been "harass the shit out of people you don't like". I'm not sure why Babs would get to be the exception just because SO MANY people can't stand him.
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 05:25:02 PM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 08:40:14 PM
Nav, I love ya....but you're so far off-base with this that I can't even come up with a cogent reply other than to just say "uhh, no."
Wrong about the case itself or wrong in theory? Because the way it was described gave me the impression that he implied he was doing these things or seeking them or whatever and that, to me is a very fucking dangerous thing to ignore. I tried to express that as clearly as possible without using ridiculous rhetoric or excessively emotional speech.
Two things:
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
I think it's completely possible to fantasize about something which you know in the back of your mind would actually make you quite ill if ever confronted with it in real life. I think the mechanism is much the same as emo teenagers fantasizing their own beautiful, bloodless suicides where their skin is unblemished, everyone cries over their perfect lifeless body and no one shits their pance.
2. If indeed this guy had admitted to actually doing or conspiring to do this type of thing, my post and the reasons I gave still stand. Just because I was misinformed, doesn't mean I don't make a valid point. Y'all are not a squeamish bunch. I don't feel silly or stupid for saying what I said at all in light of the fact that the strong reactions of disgust on here led me to believe he'd done something truly malevolent.
If someone ever does get on here and brag about raping women, I would say the same things.
Dude, you don't know.
So SHUT THE FUCK UP.
What is with all these assholes having opinions about shit they weren't here for?
What, a bunch of people you normally respect have a virulent immune-system reaction to a self-admitted snuff fetishist based on their shared history, and you fuckers' reaction is to QUESTION WHETHER THEY'RE BEING REASONABLE?
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Go read his post history from start to finish, and THEN form a fucking opinion. FFS.
Wow. Okay.
Basically, the rule maintains that as long as someone goes ALL THE WAY turncoat, it's cool. Only halfway? You're banned.
Nav, basically any time anyone starts a post with "I don't really know what's going on, but I'm gonna question alla you all's judgement" it's a really good sign that they shouldn't be talking.
Basically, SHUT THE FUCK UP until you do know what's going on and what happened. It's not hard. Maybe ask someone.
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 06:11:39 PM
Basically, the rule maintains that as long as someone goes ALL THE WAY turncoat, it's cool. Only halfway? You're banned.
There's the quid pro quo rule for admins who ban Discordians for being Discordians. Seems like that covers overly aggressive actions against trolls too.
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 06:11:39 PM
Basically, the rule maintains that as long as someone goes ALL THE WAY turncoat, it's cool. Only halfway? You're banned.
Yeah, sorry our little trolling missions end up not taking precedence over people's legal liability for a website. I'd probably care more about the tiny loophole in the rule if, y'know, it had been less than 4 or 5 years since PD went on a trolling expedition that was actually interesting or potentially useful rather than just "HAY GUISE LETS GO BE MEAN TO MORE PAGANS AGAIN!"
To be perfectly fair, Nigel, TSC was started by BH, Wyldkat, and curiosity. Given that BH was an admin from the beginning of that site (and I believe a few of us went over in good faith without the intention of trolling), I don't really think that reporting that we were dicking around on a dead site to the owner of the server space is an out of line action. Nor, really, is stripping people of the admin status that had been granted, seeing as how, ya know, we really had no business with it anyway.
I don't remember him ever telling Wyldkat about any sooper-sekrit troll plans that we had for TSC, since I don't remember having any sooper-sekrit plans, and Wyldkat, as far as I am aware, was still able to see OMF anyway.
I guess I don't really understand where the idea that BH outed an ongoing troll is coming from.
It's coming from people desperately looking for ANY excuse to have that sick fuck banned just because it offends them so much that he's such a sick fuck.
But at PD, as in life, if you come in with the expectation that you have the right to not be offended you are going to be sorely disappointed.
You guys are completely evading/ignoring the point that it's a STUPID FUCKING RULE.
I am not exactly sure where you are getting the idea that I'm advocating banning BH. I am saying that the outing rule IS FUCKING USELESS AND STUPID.
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 06:08:42 PM
The gray area is that if someone joins us on a troll and then becomes mod/admin at the target board, they're exempt from the rule. So perhaps it's not "gray" so much as "stupid".
And yeah, the constant kneejerk responses to babs annoy the shit out of me, too, but claiming it's wrong because some kind of PD ethic blah blah is bullshit. The ethic here, for as long as I've been around, has been "harass the shit out of people you don't like". I'm not sure why Babs would get to be the exception just because SO MANY people can't stand him.
Just to reiterate, because apparently some people missed it.
Well, when it's your turn to make the rules you can do whatever you want with that one.
As it currently exerts zero influence on your (or anyone else's) daily life, I'm having trouble seeing why I should care.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 07:06:23 PM
Well, when it's your turn to make the rules you can do whatever you want with that one.
As it currently exerts zero influence on your (or anyone else's) daily life, I'm having trouble seeing why I should care.
Well, you've been whining about it like you give a fuck, and you seemed to think I was advocating banning Babs based on it, so I thought I would clarify
what I was actually saying.
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 05:16:39 PM
Yes, he has jacked threads. And, he is a piece of shit crapweasel who tags along on trolls and then ruins them, he said something viciously horrific about how women's lives are worthless once they've been raped, he's said other equally wretched and wrongheaded shit, and anyone who thinks he should get a fair shake or deserves to be treated like a human being on any level can GO FUCK THEMSELVES.
Seriously, the ONLY reason I advocate ignoring him is because he prefers abuse to silence, he likes the attention. Otherwise, and I repeat, if you think everyone should shut up about how vile and repulsive he is and how much they hate him because for some reason you think that's against some imaginary bullshit PD code of ethics, GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Just gonna reiterate. I normally ignore him, but if I do respond, it will solely be to jack his threads and shit all over them. No matter how much it hurts someone's delicate feelings.
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 07:24:19 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 07:06:23 PM
Well, when it's your turn to make the rules you can do whatever you want with that one.
As it currently exerts zero influence on your (or anyone else's) daily life, I'm having trouble seeing why I should care.
Well, you've been whining about it like you give a fuck, and you seemed to think I was advocating banning Babs based on it, so I thought I would clarify what I was actually saying.
I missed the part where I said you were advocating banning BH.
I did make a general statement about people who want to ban people or find excuses to ban people based on odious personality traits. This may fall under the "if you assumed I was talking about you then maybe I was" clause.
I also missed the part where I was whining, or the part where I gave a fuck whether or not people think the rules are stupid.
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 06:52:42 PM
I am not exactly sure where you are getting the idea that I'm advocating banning BH. I am saying that the outing rule IS FUCKING USELESS AND STUPID.
This is true, I'm not arguing against that. It seemed to me from the way you phrased your original post about that rule that you wanted BH to be banned, and the fact that he was "technically exempt" was the grounds for throwing it out. Sorry, my bad.
I don't really have a problem with BH on the grounds of his fucked-up turn ons. I am not going to go out of my way to insult him on those grounds. I will say that he DID say some fucked up things on TSC in regards to Freeky and Coyote, and I'm not okay with that. But on the other hand, I really don't know what I would have said or done were I in his position, I mean, that occurred after he was consistently being shat on by various people, and some of those same people were now invading and systematically dismantling a board that he helped build. I cannot honestly say that I wouldn't lash out at someone in that situation.
What he said to Khara, I don't recall seeing. I don't know anything about Khara, really, and I have no idea what she's been through. I won't say anything about that.
Now that TSC is gone, and the war's over, and there was much rejoicing, I see no reason why I should follow Babel Whore around just for the sake of shitting on him. And hey, maybe he might actually have something interesting to say.
While I certainly don't think that there is some sort of PD code of ethics, I don't think that the position you are taking is reasonable, productive, or correct, Nigel. Not that I'll hold it against you. You are free to post in whatever manner you see fit in response to anyone else, and you are free to ignore the fact that certain things get on other people's nerves or other people take issue with your actions if you so choose, but hey, they have as much right to state that this sort of behavior is annoying, stupid, and unbecoming as you do. (And hey, this goes for Dok, Freeky, Coyote, Johny'x, Navkat, Babylon, ECH, and everyone else as much as you, Nigel, I'm not trying to single you out).
Well, that's what I have to say about it, so now continue posting as you please. :lulz:
Also, Nigel, I assume that when someone who doesn't like you insists on jacking your threads there will be no complaints.
Quote from: Phox, Mistress of Many Names on May 05, 2012, 07:49:09 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 06:52:42 PM
I am not exactly sure where you are getting the idea that I'm advocating banning BH. I am saying that the outing rule IS FUCKING USELESS AND STUPID.
This is true, I'm not arguing against that. It seemed to me from the way you phrased your original post about that rule that you wanted BH to be banned, and the fact that he was "technically exempt" was the grounds for throwing it out. Sorry, my bad.
I don't really have a problem with BH on the grounds of his fucked-up turn ons. I am not going to go out of my way to insult him on those grounds. I will say that he DID say some fucked up things on TSC in regards to Freeky and Coyote, and I'm not okay with that. But on the other hand, I really don't know what I would have said or done were I in his position, I mean, that occurred after he was consistently being shat on by various people, and some of those same people were now invading and systematically dismantling a board that he helped build. I cannot honestly say that I wouldn't lash out at someone in that situation.
What he said to Khara, I don't recall seeing. I don't know anything about Khara, really, and I have no idea what she's been through. I won't say anything about that.
Now that TSC is gone, and the war's over, and there was much rejoicing, I see no reason why I should follow Babel Whore around just for the sake of shitting on him. And hey, maybe he might actually have something interesting to say.
While I certainly don't think that there is some sort of PD code of ethics, I don't think that the position you are taking is reasonable, productive, or correct, Nigel. Not that I'll hold it against you. You are free to post in whatever manner you see fit in response to anyone else, and you are free to ignore the fact that certain things get on other people's nerves or other people take issue with your actions if you so choose, but hey, they have as much right to state that this sort of behavior is annoying, stupid, and unbecoming as you do. (And hey, this goes for Dok, Freeky, Coyote, Johny'x, Navkat, Babylon, ECH, and everyone else as much as you, Nigel, I'm not trying to single you out).
Well, that's what I have to say about it, so now continue posting as you please. :lulz:
Sorry, Phox, we can't have people acting all
reasonable towards people we don't like.
But yeah, pretty much this entire post. Do I think BH's kink is disgusting? yes. Would I invite him over for dinner? no. Do I wish he would just go away and stop posting at PD? certainly. Do I think anyone has the right to enforce some bizzarre moral majority-type censorship of his other ideas just because they're squicked out by his sexual fantasies? Grow the fuck up.
Well then. have fun with muderrapist.
I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of sulking and butthurt. I mean, you can see who started a thread before you click on it. If you don't want to hear anything BH has to say, just don't go to his threads.
NO ECH HE HAS SICK FANTASIES AND HE INSULTED ME THAT ONE TIME, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW HIM AROUND AND PUNISH HIM OR OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT THINK WE'RE CONDONING HIS REPULSIVENESS!
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:joshua:
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 07:55:58 PM
Well then. have fun with muderrapist.
Hey man, you have every right to be righteously pissed at him for what he said about you. I had your back when he said that shit, and I still have it now. I honestly don't know what you are driving at here, or who it is addressed to?
HEY GUISE ECH IS TAKING A PRINCIPLED STANCE THAT DOESN'T FIT WITH MY KNEE-JERK EMOTIONAL REACTIONS! HE MUST BE FRIENDS WITH BH AND/OR BE A SECRET SICKO HIMSELF!
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:joshua:
Quote from: Phox, Mistress of Many Names on May 05, 2012, 08:01:52 PM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 07:55:58 PM
Well then. have fun with muderrapist.
Hey man, you have every right to be righteously pissed at him for what he said about you. I had your back when he said that shit, and I still have it now. I honestly don't know what you are driving at here, or who it is addressed to?
Because I am defending the right of ANYONE (including BH) to not have their threads endlessly jacked because of interpersonal drama, I must be agreeing with that thing BH said to Coyote. Nevermind that it was one of the most abhorrent, nasty, and personal things I've seen said to ANYONE here, or that had it been said to me or one of my friends in my physical presence the person who said it would probably get the shit kicked out of them, and nevermind the fact that it has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with what we're talking about right now.
Are people here actually getting in a fight over BH?
For real?
Oh dear, it appears I have provoked a flounce. :lulz:
I swear, if butthurt could be converted into electricity this forum could power the entire eastern seaboard.
Quote from: Nigel on May 04, 2012, 11:32:38 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 04, 2012, 08:15:33 PM
Given we have no dead members posting, I see no threat to any existing members.
If he was a necrophiliac, I would find him less objectionable. But it's not that he wants to fuck dead people; it's that he wants to fuck people while he kills them.
True.
Correction: given we have no
fictional members posting, except LMNO, GIGGLES and trix, I see no threat to any existing members.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 05, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
Are people here actually getting in a fight over BH?
For real?
Some people might be. I'm just trying to point out that if your principles don't apply to people you don't like, then you shouldn't bother having principles.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 08:18:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 05, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
Are people here actually getting in a fight over BH?
For real?
Some people might be. I'm just trying to point out that if your principles don't apply to people you don't like, then you shouldn't bother having principles.
Oh, I agree that he hasn't done anything ban-worthy, and shouldn't be banned. I'm just having a giggle that after all this time, we still get in gigantic arguments over someone who patently came here to start just that very thing.
I'm also more than a little amused by Navcat stating that joining the military is equivalent to being a snuff porn freak. That has to be the stupidest Goddamn thing I've heard all year, and I've heard some stupid Goddamn things.
Also, flouncing over shit like this? WTF?
In any case, there's only two take-aways from this thread:
1. BH is a fat, disgusting pervert who should probably kill himself, and
2. PD never learns.
"The only thing we learn from PD is that we do not learn from PD" - definitely not Hegel.
Quote from: Cain on May 05, 2012, 08:31:37 PM
"The only thing we learn from PD is that we do not learn from PD" - definitely not Hegel.
I knew that Herpaderp
TM upgrade to the software was gonna pay off.
Actually, I took it a step further than saying he shouldn't be banned. I posited that people shouldn't go to his threads for the express purpose of trashing the thread simply because they find him personally objectionable (unless perhaps the thread in question is about the thing which so many people find so objectionable), as it's not just BH that's being censored at that point but anyone else who wants to actually have a legitimate discussion about the subject matter of the thread. And that many of the people doing that are the same people who have a complete shit-fit when someone trashes one of their threads. And that it's just juvenile and retarded to do that anyway since simply ignoring him is the easiest thing in the world.
Fuck, if everyone who posts at PD decided to go around trashing threads started by people they don't like then there wouldn't be much point to even having a PD.com.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 08:34:27 PM
Actually, I took it a step further than saying he shouldn't be banned. I posited that people shouldn't go to his threads for the express purpose of trashing the thread simply because they find him personally objectionable (unless perhaps the thread in question is about the thing which so many people find so objectionable), as it's not just BH that's being censored at that point but anyone else who wants to actually have a legitimate discussion about the subject matter of the thread. And that many of the people doing that are the same people who have a complete shit-fit when someone trashes one of their threads. And that it's just juvenile and retarded to do that anyway since simply ignoring him is the easiest thing in the world.
Fuck, if everyone who posts at PD decided to go around trashing threads started by people they don't like then there wouldn't be much point to even having a PD.com.
I agree with what you say in general. However, it isn't a matter of principle with me. Everyone has the right to speak. Nobody has the right to be listened to, or not to be heckled. I fucking hate BH, and I enjoy fucking with him.
There's plenty of people I don't like or am not happy with, and I don't see a need to trash their threads. BH, OTOH, is worth going that extra distance. If that makes me a bad person, then I don't want to be a good one.
The point is that when you (or anyone) trashes a thread that BH (or anyone) starts with intent to have a serious and thoughtful discussion, it's not only the person who started the thread that you're fucking with.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 08:46:36 PM
The point is that when you (or anyone) trashes a thread that BH (or anyone) starts with intent to have a serious and thoughtful discussion, it's not only the person who started the thread that you're fucking with.
Yeah, I've had that happen to me. It's a little infuriating.
In fact, I remember DJ Rubberducky, Badges, and Agent Compassion doing it to me all the time, any time I posted something other than drama.
But what can I do? I fucking hate him, and I feel a deep-seated need to fuck with him. I won't trash other peoples' threads that he posts in, but that's really as far as I can go with this.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure as hell not telling anybody what they can or can't do. And I appreciate you being able to disagree with me without flouncing, getting all butthurt, or yelling at me in boldcaps about what a moran I am.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 07:50:04 PM
Also, Nigel, I assume that when someone who doesn't like you insists on jacking your threads there will be no complaints.
I'll do exactly what I usually do, which is ask to have the thread split. It's happened a couple of times.
Like I said, I normally just ignore the fucker, and I suggested earlier that others do the same. A couple of people seem to have gotten the impression that I jumped on the ban bandwagon, so I wanted to clarify that I didn't.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 08:18:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 05, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
Are people here actually getting in a fight over BH?
For real?
Some people might be. I'm just trying to point out that if your principles don't apply to people you don't like, then you shouldn't bother having principles.
Are you talking about me? :lulz:
My principles TOTALLY include shitting on people I despise.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 05, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
Are people here actually getting in a fight over BH?
For real?
He's probably fapping to it.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 05, 2012, 08:43:15 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 08:34:27 PM
Actually, I took it a step further than saying he shouldn't be banned. I posited that people shouldn't go to his threads for the express purpose of trashing the thread simply because they find him personally objectionable (unless perhaps the thread in question is about the thing which so many people find so objectionable), as it's not just BH that's being censored at that point but anyone else who wants to actually have a legitimate discussion about the subject matter of the thread. And that many of the people doing that are the same people who have a complete shit-fit when someone trashes one of their threads. And that it's just juvenile and retarded to do that anyway since simply ignoring him is the easiest thing in the world.
Fuck, if everyone who posts at PD decided to go around trashing threads started by people they don't like then there wouldn't be much point to even having a PD.com.
I agree with what you say in general. However, it isn't a matter of principle with me. Everyone has the right to speak. Nobody has the right to be listened to, or not to be heckled. I fucking hate BH, and I enjoy fucking with him.
There's plenty of people I don't like or am not happy with, and I don't see a need to trash their threads. BH, OTOH, is worth going that extra distance. If that makes me a bad person, then I don't want to be a good one.
A fucking men.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 08:06:27 PM
Quote from: Phox, Mistress of Many Names on May 05, 2012, 08:01:52 PM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 07:55:58 PM
Well then. have fun with muderrapist.
Hey man, you have every right to be righteously pissed at him for what he said about you. I had your back when he said that shit, and I still have it now. I honestly don't know what you are driving at here, or who it is addressed to?
Because I am defending the right of ANYONE (including BH) to not have their threads endlessly jacked because of interpersonal drama, I must be agreeing with that thing BH said to Coyote. Nevermind that it was one of the most abhorrent, nasty, and personal things I've seen said to ANYONE here, or that had it been said to me or one of my friends in my physical presence the person who said it would probably get the shit kicked out of them, and nevermind the fact that it has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with what we're talking about right now.
Okay, it's not just me, then.
I'm having a difficult time understanding how I was coming across as condoning that thing when all I was trying to do was not condemn someone else for no good reason.
This is where I got all confused. The way people reacted with so much visceral rage and disgust...
Look:
Quote from: Out for now on May 03, 2012, 11:19:09 PM
Quote from: navkat on May 03, 2012, 11:16:37 PM
Oh, wow. I thought the "corpsefucker" thing was just a new tag we were throwing around now...like asshat. I didn't realize you were describing someone who really likes to insert his peenoid into expired meat friends.
Oh no, it is directly tied to sickfuck muderrapist BH. I can't think of any instances in which that tag was directed at anyone who wasn't murderrapist.
Okay, here is where I fucked up and should have known to get clarification. This is what Freeky WROTE:
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
He isn't in jail because he presumably hasn't done anything to land him there. He did mention it, though, and the fact that he wrote snuff porn to deal with it. It was in an unrelated conversation, so I'm not sure what made him do it, other than to gross out/disturb everyone.
This is what I processed in my mind:
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
He isn't in jail because he hasn't out-and-out admitted to having done anything to land him there. He did imply it though, and the fact that he wrote snuff porn about it. It was in an unrelated conversation, so I'm not sure what made him do it, other than to gross out/disturb everyone.
DERP.
Then this happened:
Quote from: Out for now on May 03, 2012, 11:33:40 PM
He made his disgusting sexual kink made public, knowing that people would be disgusted AND defends his sick kink.
And then his dumbass called me a mass murderer that joined the Army because killing people turned me on.
Which I took as confirmation from a second witness.
Then this:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 12:06:21 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 03, 2012, 11:23:06 PM
What the fecal? Why isn't he like, in jail? Why is he even here? I'm pretty sure killing and raping motherfuckers is grounds for bannination, no?
Or
:?
No. Why would it be? Our bannable offenses are pretty strictly limited to things that could cause legal trouble for me or Faust, or people who snitch us out on trolls. I know that relative to the weight of other bannable offenses the snitching thing seems out of place but I just have no tolerance for snitches.
So at this point, I'm already feeling the Righteous Vitriol welling up and thinking "That's seriously fucked up. No one should have to put up with a murderer bragging about his crimes with impunity. These cats are being really fucking tolerant. I'd be livid too." and I'm trying to squash it down and say to myself "Chill out and BE REASONABLE. Formulate a rational argument."
And awaaaay I went. So yeah, Cain was right in that I feel silly that I went off because I failed to completely read the fucking manual but not silly or ashamed of my stance if this cat really
did turn out to be a "murderrapist."
Actions speak louder than words. Until BH turns out to
be a murderrapist...I mean, this is basically a conviction in a social kangaroo court. I mean it's an ugly world where thoughtcrime is the same convictable offense as murder.
Also: shout outs to Phox for her calm voice of reason. <3 <3 <3.
I am sorry for being an asshat, ECH. I have backpeddaled out of that as honestly as possible, have shaken some Tony Chachere's on my big plate of crow and am now backing away from the thread in an attempt to quit while I'm behind.
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 07:50:04 PM
Also, Nigel, I assume that when someone who doesn't like you insists on jacking your threads there will be no complaints.
I'll do exactly what I usually do, which is ask to have the thread split. It's happened a couple of times.
Like I said, I normally just ignore the fucker, and I suggested earlier that others do the same. A couple of people seem to have gotten the impression that I jumped on the ban bandwagon, so I wanted to clarify that I didn't.
I'd say you made your point extremely and painfully clear to me. I can only hope that the people to whom you are referring were similarly receptive.
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 08:59:08 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 08:18:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 05, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
Are people here actually getting in a fight over BH?
For real?
Some people might be. I'm just trying to point out that if your principles don't apply to people you don't like, then you shouldn't bother having principles.
Are you talking about me? :lulz:
My principles TOTALLY include shitting on people I despise.
You're quickly using up your daily allotment of "If you think that broad statement was directed at you, then there's a good chance I was".
And for the 4th or 5th time now....
Shitting on people you despise is fine. Doing so in a manner that gets some of the shit on other people who are not your target is an asshole move. Jacking threads intended as serious discussion about a serious topic for no other reason than that thread was started by BH falls into the latter category.
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 09:03:15 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 08:06:27 PM
Quote from: Phox, Mistress of Many Names on May 05, 2012, 08:01:52 PM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 07:55:58 PM
Well then. have fun with muderrapist.
Hey man, you have every right to be righteously pissed at him for what he said about you. I had your back when he said that shit, and I still have it now. I honestly don't know what you are driving at here, or who it is addressed to?
Because I am defending the right of ANYONE (including BH) to not have their threads endlessly jacked because of interpersonal drama, I must be agreeing with that thing BH said to Coyote. Nevermind that it was one of the most abhorrent, nasty, and personal things I've seen said to ANYONE here, or that had it been said to me or one of my friends in my physical presence the person who said it would probably get the shit kicked out of them, and nevermind the fact that it has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with what we're talking about right now.
Okay, it's not just me, then.
I'm having a difficult time understanding how I was coming across as condoning that thing when all I was trying to do was not condemn someone else for no good reason.
This is where I got all confused. The way people reacted with so much visceral rage and disgust...
Look:
Quote from: Out for now on May 03, 2012, 11:19:09 PM
Quote from: navkat on May 03, 2012, 11:16:37 PM
Oh, wow. I thought the "corpsefucker" thing was just a new tag we were throwing around now...like asshat. I didn't realize you were describing someone who really likes to insert his peenoid into expired meat friends.
Oh no, it is directly tied to sickfuck muderrapist BH. I can't think of any instances in which that tag was directed at anyone who wasn't murderrapist.
Okay, here is where I fucked up and should have known to get clarification. This is what Freeky WROTE:
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
He isn't in jail because he presumably hasn't done anything to land him there. He did mention it, though, and the fact that he wrote snuff porn to deal with it. It was in an unrelated conversation, so I'm not sure what made him do it, other than to gross out/disturb everyone.
This is what I processed in my mind:
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
He isn't in jail because he hasn't out-and-out admitted to having done anything to land him there. He did imply it though, and the fact that he wrote snuff porn about it. It was in an unrelated conversation, so I'm not sure what made him do it, other than to gross out/disturb everyone.
DERP.
Then this happened:
Quote from: Out for now on May 03, 2012, 11:33:40 PM
He made his disgusting sexual kink made public, knowing that people would be disgusted AND defends his sick kink.
And then his dumbass called me a mass murderer that joined the Army because killing people turned me on.
Which I took as confirmation from a second witness.
Then this:
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 12:06:21 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 03, 2012, 11:23:06 PM
What the fecal? Why isn't he like, in jail? Why is he even here? I'm pretty sure killing and raping motherfuckers is grounds for bannination, no?
Or
:?
No. Why would it be? Our bannable offenses are pretty strictly limited to things that could cause legal trouble for me or Faust, or people who snitch us out on trolls. I know that relative to the weight of other bannable offenses the snitching thing seems out of place but I just have no tolerance for snitches.
So at this point, I'm already feeling the Righteous Vitriol welling up and thinking "That's seriously fucked up. No one should have to put up with a murderer bragging about his crimes with impunity. These cats are being really fucking tolerant. I'd be livid too." and I'm trying to squash it down and say to myself "Chill out and BE REASONABLE. Formulate a rational argument."
And awaaaay I went. So yeah, Cain was right in that I feel silly that I went off because I failed to completely read the fucking manual but not silly or ashamed of my stance if this cat really did turn out to be a "murderrapist."
Actions speak louder than words. Until BH turns out to be a murderrapist...I mean, this is basically a conviction in a social kangaroo court. I mean it's an ugly world where thoughtcrime is the same convictable offense as murder.
Also: shout outs to Phox for her calm voice of reason. <3 <3 <3.
I am sorry for being an asshat, ECH. I have backpeddaled out of that as honestly as possible, have shaken some Tony Chachere's on my big plate of crow and am now backing away from the thread in an attempt to quit while I'm behind.
Actually, I'd say you were being one of the most reasonable people ITT, even if you did misinterpret Freeky's post. And you're dead right about this being a social kangaroo court, which frankly I find as disgusting or possibly MORE disgusting than BH's fucked-up kink.
That said, we still don't ban people for crimes they commit that have no bearing on PD. I might pass someone's information on to the appropriate people if I actually were 100% certain that a poster was bragging about a murder or rape that they had actually committed, but I still wouldn't ban them from PD for it.
That's why I asked whether it was. 'Cause, you know, I gots principles. :lulz:
This thread was going nowhere. There was no serious discussion happening; that's a red herring. Babs has alienated so many people with his grotesqueries and threadjacking and insults and attempts to defend his "kink" by telling other people they do the same thing (did you not get a load of him trying to insist that Freeky is essentially a snuff fetishist because she's commented about setting her ex on fire and harpooning fat people?) that there is no chance of one of his threads getting off the ground here, ever, and the thing is, it's not "unfair" because he earned it. Not merely by having a snuff fetish, but through his own abhorrent behavior and treatment of others.
Boo fucking hoo.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 05, 2012, 08:28:11 PM
I'm also more than a little amused by Navcat stating that joining the military is equivalent to being a snuff porn freak. That has to be the stupidest Goddamn thing I've heard all year, and I've heard some stupid Goddamn things.
Right. Cause THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
Now
I'm pissed off and offended. You just assigned me the role of shitting on everyone who's ever been in the military including myself WHICH IS THE ANTITHESIS OF HOW I FEEL.
That is precisely the kind of mindfuckery that I've spent a life being vulnerable to: Someone's inaccurate definition of something I said, felt or did being forced upon me as FACT until I wonder if I'm completely fucking crazy and I really
did say/do/think it.
Explain to me how this:
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 05:26:54 AM
2. That said, the military is inherently violent and you are an adult, of legal age and entered willingly into a contract whose terms imply that you will likely, at some point, be required to take a life to not be in breach of that contract. I did it, you did it, I understand. There a level of disconnect from the following truth: "the purpose of the military is to kill people in a situation wherein my elected officials have determined they will not listen to reason." It's easy to forget when you're in your early 20s and indulging fantasies in your head of decoding intel and jumping out of airplanes but it is nonetheless true and your own fault/responsibility if, after jumping out of airplanes, your orders include putting a slug into the head of a 12 year old child, pointing a gun at you.
Equates to THIS:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 05, 2012, 08:28:11 PM
Navcat stating that joining the military is equivalent to being a snuff porn freak.
?
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 05:16:39 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 05, 2012, 03:53:23 AM
I want to say something while trying to avoid fueling the drama
I do know that Babylon has some deviant sexual stuff going on.
I also know that hes given and taken within a lot of flame threads.
I know people hate anarchy threads.
What i do not know is if hes jacked threads and that has caused other members to anger and jack BH's own threads in retaliation.
If he indeed has jacked threads, i guess its fair punishment to ruin his threads; if he has not jacked threads, i find it unfair to ruin the ones he creates.
I dont mind arguing with people with deviant or opposing ideas or ideology, because i can learn a lot from how they position themselves on a certain issue, i only shun or just stop participating in threads where the OP is being obnoxious or trolling (if you hadnt noticed, i never participate in troll/drama threads).
Yes, he has jacked threads. And, he is a piece of shit crapweasel who tags along on trolls and then ruins them, he said something viciously horrific about how women's lives are worthless once they've been raped, he's said other equally wretched and wrongheaded shit, and anyone who thinks he should get a fair shake or deserves to be treated like a human being on any level can GO FUCK THEMSELVES.
Seriously, the ONLY reason I advocate ignoring him is because he prefers abuse to silence, he likes the attention. Otherwise, and I repeat, if you think everyone should shut up about how vile and repulsive he is and how much they hate him because for some reason you think that's against some imaginary bullshit PD code of ethics, GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Telling me to go fuck myself i think is uncalled for and unrespectful.
If you perceive he jacks threads and you dish out the same in retaliation, fine, but say, if he had a neo-con ideology and would be mannered in his posting style i wouldnt support ostracizing him because i can get out of arguing or just plain talking to him valuable information.
I dont mind people's ideological positionings, i just mind thread mannerisms.
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 06:08:42 PM
The ethic here, for as long as I've been around, has been "harass the shit out of people you don't like". I'm not sure why Babs would get to be the exception just because SO MANY people can't stand him.
See, i dont agree with that "ethic", fuck THAT, i dont care if its the consensus or how it has worked out throughout the years, and if thats how everyone agrees it should be, might as well enact a majority vote banning system
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 05, 2012, 10:32:25 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 05:16:39 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 05, 2012, 03:53:23 AM
I want to say something while trying to avoid fueling the drama
I do know that Babylon has some deviant sexual stuff going on.
I also know that hes given and taken within a lot of flame threads.
I know people hate anarchy threads.
What i do not know is if hes jacked threads and that has caused other members to anger and jack BH's own threads in retaliation.
If he indeed has jacked threads, i guess its fair punishment to ruin his threads; if he has not jacked threads, i find it unfair to ruin the ones he creates.
I dont mind arguing with people with deviant or opposing ideas or ideology, because i can learn a lot from how they position themselves on a certain issue, i only shun or just stop participating in threads where the OP is being obnoxious or trolling (if you hadnt noticed, i never participate in troll/drama threads).
Yes, he has jacked threads. And, he is a piece of shit crapweasel who tags along on trolls and then ruins them, he said something viciously horrific about how women's lives are worthless once they've been raped, he's said other equally wretched and wrongheaded shit, and anyone who thinks he should get a fair shake or deserves to be treated like a human being on any level can GO FUCK THEMSELVES.
Seriously, the ONLY reason I advocate ignoring him is because he prefers abuse to silence, he likes the attention. Otherwise, and I repeat, if you think everyone should shut up about how vile and repulsive he is and how much they hate him because for some reason you think that's against some imaginary bullshit PD code of ethics, GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Telling me to go fuck myself i think is uncalled for and unrespectful.
If you perceive he jacks threads and you dish out the same in retaliation, fine, but say, if he had a neo-con ideology and would be mannered in his posting style i wouldnt support ostracizing him because i can get out of arguing or just plain talking to him valuable information.
I dont mind people's ideological positionings, i just mind thread mannerisms.
I perceive that he is an utter piece of shit and your argument that basically started with "I don't know what I'm talking about" and ended with "If he was something that he totally isn't I don't think this would be fair" is utterly meaningless. Good job. You made a bunch of words on a screen without even once knowing what you were talking about.
PS. go fuck yourself. :)
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 05, 2012, 10:37:26 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 06:08:42 PM
The ethic here, for as long as I've been around, has been "harass the shit out of people you don't like". I'm not sure why Babs would get to be the exception just because SO MANY people can't stand him.
See, i dont agree with that "ethic", fuck THAT, i dont care if its the consensus or how it has worked out throughout the years, and if thats how everyone agrees it should be, might as well enact a majority vote banning system
Oh, good, I'm the majority again. Just because I'm an angry mob!
One thing that might occur to you, if you took a moment to actually think instead of playing Miss Manners of Peedee, is that everyone Babs has pissed off, he did all by himself on an individual basis. Every single fucking one of them. This is not some groupthink hivemind action.
http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
AND this whole thread was a blatant troll. FFS. So is the other one.
But I guess because your personal code of ethics requires us to be mannerly to everyone, regardless of all influencing factors, the angry mob was badwrong to "derail" it.
K, i got the memo now, it is not allowed for others to discuss with people i dont like, and one is entitled to jack someones thread because of personal disgust.
Sounds like a great plan, one wonders if that mentality isnt whats driving people off
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 10:49:54 PM
AND this whole thread was a blatant troll. FFS. So is the other one.
But I guess because your personal code of ethics requires us to be mannerly to everyone, regardless of all influencing factors, the angry mob was badwrong to "derail" it.
which other one?
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 05, 2012, 10:50:15 PM
K, i got the memo now, it is not allowed for others to discuss with people i dont like, and one is entitled to jack someones thread because of personal disgust.
Sounds like a great plan, one wonders if that mentality isnt whats driving people off
Christ, you're a whiny little bitch. :lulz:
Yeah, people having an intense immune-system reaction to Babylon Horuv is totally oppressing you.
(http://www.myemohairstyles.com/gallery/files/6/8/8/6/emo_hair_6.3.jpg)
Being mean to Babs is ruining the internet.
Maybe work on your reading comprehension and make fewer sweeping generalities. Babs is a special case. It's rare for anyone to get this many people to absolutely loathe them, he had to work hard at it.
But you can go on pretending it's something else if it makes you happy.
BH is practically banned for all practical reasons, he cant do anything besides read the threads, because if he posts anything in any context he gets flooded with negative feedback and insults
If everyone hates him so much and hes gonna keep being hounded, make a vote and ban him; i know "pd doesnt do that", but might as well given the circumstance, and we could avoid a lot of drama.
But it's not Babs. It's the "Kangaroo court". :lol:
While he didn't do anything worth banning I can't say I'm going to cry about it if that piece of shit finds a hostile environment here. He did it to himself. No, he did things to OTHERS, and these are the consequences. Tough. Fucking. Titty.
Personally I make every effort to ignore him completely, including his content. Especially his content.
That said I agree 100% that it's worth having the rules we have if it means we have to put up with him, which isnt exactly arduous, is it?
Quote from: Alty on May 05, 2012, 11:05:35 PM
While he didn't do anything worth banning I can't say I'm going to cry about it if that piece of shit finds a hostile environment here. He did it to himself. No, he did things to OTHERS, and these are the consequences. Tough. Fucking. Titty.
Personally I make every effort to ignore him completely, including his content. Especially his content.
That said I agree 100% that it's worth having the rules we have if it means we have to put up with him, which isnt exactly arduous, is it?
He's really just an annoyance and I definitely don't think the rules should be changed in order to ban him.
Right now though, I am far more annoyed that Joh'Nyx looked at how many people hate his guts, and instead of wondering why they feel that way about him, decided to tell them they're being unfair and unreasonable.
OK, fine; maybe he'll enjoy it if he gets chosen the next time BH decides it'll be funny to accuse someone of pedophilia.
Im not condoning BHs behaviour or insults to other PD members, im approaching this from board functionality
I think i wouldnt have had any problem with what happened if the thread was split
Also, just as a thought experiment, imagine i had a personal fight with someone and would start hounding them all over the board about it, ruining any thread where with whom i had the fight was the OP; surely others that had any vague interest in the thread, which was jacked by my personal vendetta, would have a problem with the vendetta interfering with the thread
Now maybe u can say "but its BH", which makes it easier to target him because a lot of people hate his guts, but the principle is flawed; say if Freeky and me had a problem and we hounded each other, how would that look? or how would it look if it was between Alty and Nigel?
Im just saying its a flawed and disruptive principle from which to act
This is now a pony thread
(http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/pics/5/8102/how-to-draw-my-little-pony,-friendship-is-magic-style-tutorial-drawing.jpg)
(http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/pics/5/9136/how-to-draw-luna,-princess-luna,-my-little-pony-tutorial-drawing.jpg)
(http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens19141723_a5bfacedebb4ac95eacb29e7b31e1641.png)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DMDWozKVisI/T1jX9mzug0I/AAAAAAAAC4Q/hqZ663Uy-yQ/s1600/ponies-1.jpg)
(seriously, I think everyone's made their points and no one's in a mood to have their minds changed)
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 05, 2012, 11:39:41 PM
Im not condoning BHs behaviour or insults to other PD members, im approaching this from board functionality
I think i wouldnt have had any problem with what happened if the thread was split
Also, just as a thought experiment, imagine i had a personal fight with someone and would start hounding them all over the board about it, ruining any thread where with whom i had the fight was the OP; surely others that had any vague interest in the thread, which was jacked by my personal vendetta, would have a problem with the vendetta interfering with the thread
Now maybe u can say "but its BH", which makes it easier to target him because a lot of people hate his guts, but the principle is flawed; say if Freeky and me had a problem and we hounded each other, how would that look? or how would it look if it was between Alty and Nigel?
Im just saying its a flawed and disruptive principle from which to act
Flawed analogy. You and Freeky aren't BH.
But what do ponies think about Anarchism and Welfare? Or BH? Or threadjacking?
THE PEOPLE DEMAND THEY ADD THEIR VIEWS.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 05, 2012, 11:39:41 PM
Im not condoning BHs behaviour or insults to other PD members, im approaching this from board functionality
I think i wouldnt have had any problem with what happened if the thread was split
Also, just as a thought experiment, imagine i had a personal fight with someone and would start hounding them all over the board about it, ruining any thread where with whom i had the fight was the OP; surely others that had any vague interest in the thread, which was jacked by my personal vendetta, would have a problem with the vendetta interfering with the thread
Now maybe u can say "but its BH", which makes it easier to target him because a lot of people hate his guts, but the principle is flawed; say if Freeky and me had a problem and we hounded each other, how would that look? or how would it look if it was between Alty and Nigel?
Im just saying its a flawed and disruptive principle from which to act
It's happened. It'll probably happen again, too.
What do you want to have happen? A new rule instituted?
When people do it, what invariably happens is that they get a bunch of people pissed at them. They may even find that everyone starts ignoring them, or that a few people start shitting all over them every time they post. It tends to be a self-correcting condition.
"it's disruptive". :lulz:
Quote from: Cain on May 06, 2012, 01:02:10 AM
But what do ponies think about Anarchism and Welfare? Or BH? Or threadjacking?
(http://files.sharenator.com/92_animated_balloon_balloon_inflation_cap_cartoon_female_Friendship_Is_Magic_gif_inflation_My_Little_Pony_Pinkie_Pie_pony_Brony_Gifs-s640x360-220772-580.gif)
(http://images.wikia.com/mlp/images/8/8a/DerpyCompetition1.png)
(http://m5.paperblog.com/i/5/52250/becoming-a-brony-L-WCZTpy.png)
Quote from: Cain on May 06, 2012, 01:02:10 AM
But what do ponies think about Anarchism and Welfare? Or BH? Or threadjacking?
THE PEOPLE DEMAND THEY ADD THEIR VIEWS.
This thread accidentally the whole Anarchism AND the Welfare....
The only "rules" discussion happening is about
how to kick people out of the tribe and we have freaking
MAGICAL FAIRY PONIES.
It's the only way Anarchy could
possibly manifest. Nice material example guys.
Where's my fucking pony. :evilmad:
Quote from: Telarus on May 06, 2012, 03:21:29 AM
Where's my fucking pony. :evilmad:
(http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/my-little-pony-hasbro.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Navkat/PLURpony.gif)
This board is run on mostly-anarchistic principles, which is totally functional for a small community.
A threat emerges, the tribe responds.
A lot of people imagine that in an anarchist or libertarian society, they would not have to face social pressures. The opposite is true, and if they ever fucking bothered reading up on history and the philosophies they claim to espouse, they would know that in the absence of governmental pressure, social pressure becomes the law of the land. FFS, we experienced that not all that long ago during the "Wild West" days.
But some people is stupid and can't learn.
I think a whole lot of people are missing the point.
The point is not "don't be mean to BH". FFS, we all hate him and he's a shitty human being, although being mean to him is just giving him what he wants anyway. The point is "if you're going to ignore BH, then fucking IGNORE him and that way if he does start a thread that someone else is actually interested in you don't have to get your panties all in a bunch and shit all over the thread because you're fucking IGNORING him, remember?"
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 06, 2012, 08:48:40 PM
I think a whole lot of people are missing the point.
The point is not "don't be mean to BH". FFS, we all hate him and he's a shitty human being, although being mean to him is just giving him what he wants anyway. The point is "if you're going to ignore BH, then fucking IGNORE him and that way if he does start a thread that someone else is actually interested in you don't have to get your panties all in a bunch and shit all over the thread because you're fucking IGNORING him, remember?"
That might be YOUR point. You are welcome to it, too.
I was gonna say something but I thought better of it.
(http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/myspace-graphics/glitter-graphics/pink-my-little-pony.gif)
I mean, I agree that shitting on him just makes him happy, so it's a bit counter productive, as I pointed out early on in this thread.
But what I was specifically objecting to is Joh'Nyx's odd proposal that somehow shitting on someone you find repugnant runs counter to some imaginary PD ethic (and the fact that he later tried to transfer the concept of a PD ethic onto me when I responded to him) and Nav's (apparent, if I understood) idea that if he is bad, he should be banned, and if he's not bad enough to be banned, we shouldn't be mean to him.
Seriously, wat?
Everyone shitting on him, he has all on his own gone out of his way to insult, with some pretty heinous stuff. And then to have some people who weren't even there to see it getting up in arms and telling them they're wrong for jumping his stupid shit?
Sorry, that's complete and utter baloney. And it's really a little insulting to have someone say "I'M NOT REALLY AROUND MUCH AND I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON BUT I THINK ALL OF YOU PEOPLE ARE REMISS FOR PICKING ON THIS ONE GUY. ALSO I AM GOING TO IGNORE EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT HOW HE HAS INSULTED AND ALIENATED EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND INSTEAD PIN IT ON SOME SORT OF HIVE MIND THING."
For perspective, I am a person who feels annoyed when certain predictable members here just can't resist trying to one-up one of the resident trolls. I mean, just leave it already, right? But in this case, the troll in question has personally and individually insulted the shit out of each of the participants.
Oh, and add to that the fact that until he was more or less abused out of the habit, he used to jack the shit out of other people's threads. Fuck that guy.
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
But what I was specifically objecting to is Joh'Nyx's odd proposal that somehow shitting on someone you find repugnant runs counter to some imaginary PD ethic (and the fact that he later tried to transfer the concept of a PD ethic onto me when I responded to him) and Nav's (apparent, if I understood) idea that if he is bad, he should be banned, and if he's not bad enough to be banned, we shouldn't be mean to him.
Seriously, wat?
It's simple. They have to display disapproval of your (and my) Wrong Behavior.
Even if it means sticking up for a nasty fucking deviant like BH. They don't WANT to, Nigel, but YOU'RE JUST NOT VERY SHINY SO WHAT CHOICE DID THEY HAVE?
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:15:01 PM
Oh, and add to that the fact that until he was more or less abused out of the habit, he used to jack the shit out of other people's threads. Fuck that guy.
He still does it. That's why I don't usually answer him in other peoples' threads.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
But what I was specifically objecting to is Joh'Nyx's odd proposal that somehow shitting on someone you find repugnant runs counter to some imaginary PD ethic (and the fact that he later tried to transfer the concept of a PD ethic onto me when I responded to him) and Nav's (apparent, if I understood) idea that if he is bad, he should be banned, and if he's not bad enough to be banned, we shouldn't be mean to him.
Seriously, wat?
It's simple. They have to display disapproval of your (and my) Wrong Behavior.
Even if it means sticking up for a nasty fucking deviant like BH. They don't WANT to, Nigel, but YOU'RE JUST NOT VERY SHINY SO WHAT CHOICE DID THEY HAVE?
WE
MADE THEM DO IT.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 09:16:52 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:15:01 PM
Oh, and add to that the fact that until he was more or less abused out of the habit, he used to jack the shit out of other people's threads. Fuck that guy.
He still does it. That's why I don't usually answer him in other peoples' threads.
Yeah, I try to give him a wide berth. In other people's threads. If you give him a nibble he'll run with it.
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
But what I was specifically objecting to is Joh'Nyx's odd proposal that somehow shitting on someone you find repugnant runs counter to some imaginary PD ethic (and the fact that he later tried to transfer the concept of a PD ethic onto me when I responded to him) and Nav's (apparent, if I understood) idea that if he is bad, he should be banned, and if he's not bad enough to be banned, we shouldn't be mean to him.
Seriously, wat?
It's simple. They have to display disapproval of your (and my) Wrong Behavior.
Even if it means sticking up for a nasty fucking deviant like BH. They don't WANT to, Nigel, but YOU'RE JUST NOT VERY SHINY SO WHAT CHOICE DID THEY HAVE?
WE MADE THEM DO IT.
We have machines at work, that destroy themselves if they are started without process fluid in them.
Push the button, destroy the machine.
Here, with some people, we push the button just by existing.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
But what I was specifically objecting to is Joh'Nyx's odd proposal that somehow shitting on someone you find repugnant runs counter to some imaginary PD ethic (and the fact that he later tried to transfer the concept of a PD ethic onto me when I responded to him) and Nav's (apparent, if I understood) idea that if he is bad, he should be banned, and if he's not bad enough to be banned, we shouldn't be mean to him.
Seriously, wat?
It's simple. They have to display disapproval of your (and my) Wrong Behavior.
Even if it means sticking up for a nasty fucking deviant like BH. They don't WANT to, Nigel, but YOU'RE JUST NOT VERY SHINY SO WHAT CHOICE DID THEY HAVE?
WE MADE THEM DO IT.
We have machines at work, that destroy themselves if they are started without process fluid in them.
Push the button, destroy the machine.
Here, with some people, we push the button just by existing.
We're
bad people.
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
But what I was specifically objecting to is Joh'Nyx's odd proposal that somehow shitting on someone you find repugnant runs counter to some imaginary PD ethic (and the fact that he later tried to transfer the concept of a PD ethic onto me when I responded to him) and Nav's (apparent, if I understood) idea that if he is bad, he should be banned, and if he's not bad enough to be banned, we shouldn't be mean to him.
Seriously, wat?
It's simple. They have to display disapproval of your (and my) Wrong Behavior.
Even if it means sticking up for a nasty fucking deviant like BH. They don't WANT to, Nigel, but YOU'RE JUST NOT VERY SHINY SO WHAT CHOICE DID THEY HAVE?
WE MADE THEM DO IT.
We have machines at work, that destroy themselves if they are started without process fluid in them.
Push the button, destroy the machine.
Here, with some people, we push the button just by existing.
We're bad people.
I'm okay with that. It's kind of fun, pushing the button. I make predictions on the outcome, and then congratulate myself when it happens the way I called it.
For example, I KNEW Babylon Horuv would go after one of the women on this board when I started fucking with him in this thread, because he ALWAYS does that. He did it with Khara, Stella, etc, before, and he went after Freeky this time. Because he's a worthless & cowardly piece of shit...But it IS kind of funny watching him be so fucking predictable.
Likewise, there are people who will take the exact opposite side from me on any argument, no matter how fucking ridiculously it makes them behave. I enjoy that. A lot.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
But what I was specifically objecting to is Joh'Nyx's odd proposal that somehow shitting on someone you find repugnant runs counter to some imaginary PD ethic (and the fact that he later tried to transfer the concept of a PD ethic onto me when I responded to him) and Nav's (apparent, if I understood) idea that if he is bad, he should be banned, and if he's not bad enough to be banned, we shouldn't be mean to him.
Seriously, wat?
It's simple. They have to display disapproval of your (and my) Wrong Behavior.
Even if it means sticking up for a nasty fucking deviant like BH. They don't WANT to, Nigel, but YOU'RE JUST NOT VERY SHINY SO WHAT CHOICE DID THEY HAVE?
That's some high quality Herpaderp you've got yourself there, mister.
Because that's EXACTLY what's happening. Everyone is sticking up for BH and trying to put you down.
LOOK AT ME, MISTER BAD GUY! LOOK HOW FURIOUSLY I IGNORE YOU! IN EVERY THREAD YOU START OR POST IN!
\
:lord:
I hate the guy as much as you do. But I hate having to wade through pages of this shit every time he makes a post just as much as I hate him. So all I'm asking is that people get with the program (hell, it's YOUR program) and just SHUT UP.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 06, 2012, 10:20:12 PM
LOOK AT ME, MISTER BAD GUY! LOOK HOW FURIOUSLY I IGNORE YOU! IN EVERY THREAD YOU START OR POST IN!
\
:lord:
I hate the guy as much as you do. But I hate having to wade through pages of this shit every time he makes a post just as much as I hate him. So all I'm asking is that people get with the program (hell, it's YOUR program) and just SHUT UP.
Wait, "having to"?
:lulz:
Also, the vast majority of threads he starts end up dying short and painless deaths, so it's far from "every time".
But still.....everyone needs to SHUT UP.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 06, 2012, 10:31:18 PM
But still.....everyone needs to SHUT UP.
Well, I'll grant you that.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 06, 2012, 10:31:18 PM
But still.....everyone needs to SHUT UP.
I would have thought that was obvious.
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
Nav's (apparent, if I understood) idea that if he is bad, he should be banned, and if he's not bad enough to be banned, we shouldn't be mean to him.
To clarify: my idea wasn't really an idea at all. It was a series of reactions that went like this:
1. [ME]: "Wait. You guys have been calling this dude a Corpsefucker NOT because it's the new, satirical, PD-meme insule like "asshat," but because HE REALLY FUCKS CORPSES???"
2. [SOMEONE]: "He doesn't fuck
corpses, he's into the ones that are still alive before he starts a-fuckin' an' a-rapin'."
3. [ME] "OH MY GOD HOLY FUCK FOR REALS???"
4. [SOME PEOPLE] "Yeah. He posted all about it and was sooooo proud of himself. We were all completely disgusted, of course but he's still here. Errybody knows...and he also called me names and called her names and him names too. THE NERVE."
5. [ME] "WATE WAT? ECH, ISN'T KILLING PEOPLE A GOOD REASON TO BAN THEM?"
6. [ECH]: "*shrug* I don't see why it
should be...wait. Is he a snitch? Because if he's a snitch...oh, just the killin thing still? Yeah, no. Get over it."
7. [ME]: (To myself OMFGSOFUCKEDUPNONOCALMDOWN!) To ECH: *WALL OF TEXT*
8. [FREEKY & ERRYBODY]: "NO, NO, NO, dummy! He didn't
do it for reals, just
wants to do it for reals and now we hate him. Also, he called us names. THE NERVE."
Also: "I didn't join the army to kill anyone. Not a soul. Nope, not a killer, not ever gonna be a killer. Never thought there was a
chance I'd ever kill in the army because I'm really smart and got the one recruiter who never lies and he told me that if I wasn't in the band, I'd be tapped to go into advertising shortly after I get out of bootcamp where they gratuitously teach me how to march with a backpack full of survival gear and handle a firearm. MILITary is a misnomer in my case. Yep."
9. [ME] "WATE WAT? If he isn't for
reals a killer? So basically, he's just another boring name-caller who said some really disgusting things that were (to validate you)
really disgusting, yes. WHY ARE YOU GUYS GETTING SO SERIOUSLY UPSET ABOUT THIS??? AVERAGE RETARD, HELLO."
Also: "That military thing is ridiculous. You're a grown-up who entered into a contract and took an oath with an employer who is allowed to make you kill people. I did it too. That doesn't mean we like a-rapin an a-killin though. It just means we made choices that could have put us in a situation where we would have to choose to end a life...otherwise we could have been killed OR WORSE."
Also: "ECH, I'm sorry I gave you *WALL OF TEXT* before. I thought it was something else. You right, nigga. CARRY ON."
QuoteSorry, that's complete and utter baloney. And it's really a little insulting to have someone say "I'M NOT REALLY AROUND MUCH AND I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON BUT I THINK ALL OF YOU PEOPLE ARE REMISS FOR PICKING ON THIS ONE GUY. ALSO I AM GOING TO IGNORE EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT HOW HE HAS INSULTED AND ALIENATED EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND INSTEAD PIN IT ON SOME SORT OF HIVE MIND THING."
Not what I said. Try this:
"I'M NOT REALLY AROUND MUCH AND HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THIS GUY...WHAT'S GOIN...WHAT? KILLING WIMMINZ? THAT'S SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP! WAIT...WHAT? NOT ACTUALLY
KILLIN? WELL THEN WHY HAVE YOU TRIED, CONVICTED AND EXECUTED HIS CHARACTER AS THOUGH HE DID? SAYING IS NOT THE SAME AS DOING."
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
It's simple. They have to display disapproval of your (and my) Wrong Behavior.
Even if it means sticking up for a nasty fucking deviant like BH. They don't WANT to, Nigel, but YOU'RE JUST NOT VERY SHINY SO WHAT CHOICE DID THEY HAVE?
Yeah, starting to pick up on the whole "SHINY" thing being aimed at me.
I have a personal sense of responsibility about at least
trying to change the shit way we humans treat each other on a day-to-day basis because if I can't be in the FBI and I can't be a wealthy philanthropist and I feel really powerless and small and it's going to be YEARS before I'm an actual doctor, THE ONLY THING LEFT TO DO IS TRY TO REDUCE THE GRATUITOUS SHITTY THINGS AROUND ME AND TRY NOT TO WASTE OPPORTUNITIES TO BEHAVE WITH KINDNESS AND INTEGRITY. That's it. If that makes me look like this:(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.spinner.com/media/2011/10/black-hole-sun-456.jpg) to you, there really ain't much I can do about that. I try to conduct myself in a manner that maybe makes the net sum of my existence here maybe a TINY bit more good than shit...or if I can't add more
good, at
least I can try not to add any more shit.
And your judging me for that, you in the midst of all your (valid) complaints about how humans are so shitty to one another and how nobody's decent anymore, how the whole
world has turned to shitty, shit, shit makes
you look to
me like a guy, stuck at the bottom of a deep shithole, taking a shit, smearing shit, throwing
wads of shit at anyone who comes by to try to help you
out of the shit and complaining loudly and angrily about how the world is just
shit. I don't know whether to try to put on a tyvek bodysuit and try to forcibly hug you, retaliate with a marshmallow gun or just decon myself and walk away from you for awhile. I fucking hurts so bad it's making me cry because if have any hope of anyone here fucking getting the meaning and value in what I'm trying to do here, it's you. And you know it. And you're shitting on it anyway.
Fuck it. I've been staring at this entry for a half-hour. I'm gonna hit Post and...fuck it. Needs to be let out. Setting off nuclear bombs and cussing in the dark and all that, right? I guess this make me less SHINY now since I'm not even making the EFFORT anymore do edit this one and keep my childishness to mySELF.
Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 12:00:36 AM
Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.
I give up.
Whatever, Nav. Just whatever.
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:38:09 AM
I've got kind of a wild, wild west attitude about these things: You have the right to post what ever offensive shit you want and in turn, people have the right to react authentically.
You say this, but then you were right there on page one calling for The Authority to ban. There is nothing else that concerns me in this thread, legally, morally, BH motives or peoples reactions.
But why bring it up when the people who actually have to ban users weren't considering it or even discussing it. We're here to make sure the forum runs ok, not hold your hand when someone says something horrible.
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 12:00:36 AM
Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.
I give up.
You know, if you think a little bit of namecalling is going to hurt my feeewings that much, to the point where I openly despise BH, maybe you should give up. And then you can stop talking to me, because apparently some little whiny bitch admin, I don't know who, turned the ignore feature off.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 09:10:50 PM
I might pass someone's information on to the appropriate people if I actually were 100% certain that a poster was bragging about a murder or rape that they had actually committed, but I still wouldn't ban them from PD for it.
There are even hypothetical situations where you could be interfering in a police investigation by doing so.
4chan generally hands over all data requested on its users but it doesn't ban them, it builds up a portfolio.
Quote from: Faust on May 07, 2012, 12:14:18 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:38:09 AM
I've got kind of a wild, wild west attitude about these things: You have the right to post what ever offensive shit you want and in turn, people have the right to react authentically.
You say this, but then you were right there on page one calling for The Authority to ban. There is nothing else that concerns me in this thread, legally, morally, BH motives or peoples reactions.
But why bring it up when the people who actually have to ban users weren't considering it or even discussing it. We're here to make sure the forum runs ok, not hold your hand when someone says something horrible.
Did you actually read why that was?
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:24:38 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 07, 2012, 12:14:18 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:38:09 AM
I've got kind of a wild, wild west attitude about these things: You have the right to post what ever offensive shit you want and in turn, people have the right to react authentically.
You say this, but then you were right there on page one calling for The Authority to ban. There is nothing else that concerns me in this thread, legally, morally, BH motives or peoples reactions.
But why bring it up when the people who actually have to ban users weren't considering it or even discussing it. We're here to make sure the forum runs ok, not hold your hand when someone says something horrible.
Did you actually read why that was?
Yes, and I am familiar with what BH actually said. I'm not basing my Judgements on second hand hearsay.
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 07, 2012, 12:15:35 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 12:00:36 AM
Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.
I give up.
You know, if you think a little bit of namecalling is going to hurt my feeewings that much, to the point where I openly despise BH, maybe you should give up. And then you can stop talking to me, because apparently some little whiny bitch admin, I don't know who, turned the ignore feature off.
Let me get this straight: To paraphrase the above (if I'm getting this right), if I call you butthurt, we are no longer friends and that is grounds for you to cease contact with me?
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 07, 2012, 12:15:35 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 12:00:36 AM
Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.
I give up.
You know, if you think a little bit of namecalling is going to hurt my feeewings that much, to the point where I openly despise BH, maybe you should give up. And then you can stop talking to me, because apparently some little whiny bitch admin, I don't know who, turned the ignore feature off.
Nope, I can safely say it still works fine. In fact, I would advise folks who really get in a twist over BH to add him to the ignore list. Problem solved! People are really easy to avoid here, if you want to.
Quote from: Faust on May 07, 2012, 12:26:54 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:24:38 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 07, 2012, 12:14:18 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:38:09 AM
I've got kind of a wild, wild west attitude about these things: You have the right to post what ever offensive shit you want and in turn, people have the right to react authentically.
You say this, but then you were right there on page one calling for The Authority to ban. There is nothing else that concerns me in this thread, legally, morally, BH motives or peoples reactions.
But why bring it up when the people who actually have to ban users weren't considering it or even discussing it. We're here to make sure the forum runs ok, not hold your hand when someone says something horrible.
Did you actually read why that was?
Yes, and I am familiar with what BH actually said. I'm not basing my Judgements on second hand hearsay.
Okay, but I had a mistaken perception of the situation. I admitted my mistake, accepted responsibility for it and corrected myself. The above quote is based on that redirect. I'm puzzled, is something I'm saying coming across as otherwise?
I can't help but think I missed something or left something out somewhere that I thought I covered, etc...I have no idea why but people seem to be getting
really angry with me now and I'm boggled. I didn't even realize I was
fighting with anyone. I certainly have no ill-will and aside from some deeply hurt feelings from some of the things Dok has said, I wasn't really emotional about any of it after I found out this Babylon guy didn't actually kill anyone.
I even tried to join Gogira in letting it drop with the whole pony thing but my name keeps getting pulled into it and I don't know why.
What, if anything, did I do that was so abhorrent? I mean, if I did something actually
wrong, show me. If it's not just a misunderstanding, I'll take responsibility for it and apologize. I'm not going to huff off or hurl insults.
Let's be reasonable.
Quote from: navkat on May 06, 2012, 11:33:38 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
Nav's (apparent, if I understood) idea that if he is bad, he should be banned, and if he's not bad enough to be banned, we shouldn't be mean to him.
To clarify: my idea wasn't really an idea at all. It was a series of reactions that went like this:
1. [ME]: "Wait. You guys have been calling this dude a Corpsefucker NOT because it's the new, satirical, PD-meme insule like "asshat," but because HE REALLY FUCKS CORPSES???"
2. [SOMEONE]: "He doesn't fuck corpses, he's into the ones that are still alive before he starts a-fuckin' an' a-rapin'."
3. [ME] "OH MY GOD HOLY FUCK FOR REALS???"
4. [SOME PEOPLE] "Yeah. He posted all about it and was sooooo proud of himself. We were all completely disgusted, of course but he's still here. Errybody knows...and he also called me names and called her names and him names too. THE NERVE."
5. [ME] "WATE WAT? ECH, ISN'T KILLING PEOPLE A GOOD REASON TO BAN THEM?"
6. [ECH]: "*shrug* I don't see why it should be...wait. Is he a snitch? Because if he's a snitch...oh, just the killin thing still? Yeah, no. Get over it."
7. [ME]: (To myself OMFGSOFUCKEDUPNONOCALMDOWN!) To ECH: *WALL OF TEXT*
8. [FREEKY & ERRYBODY]: "NO, NO, NO, dummy! He didn't do it for reals, just wants to do it for reals and now we hate him. Also, he called us names. THE NERVE."
Also: "I didn't join the army to kill anyone. Not a soul. Nope, not a killer, not ever gonna be a killer. Never thought there was a chance I'd ever kill in the army because I'm really smart and got the one recruiter who never lies and he told me that if I wasn't in the band, I'd be tapped to go into advertising shortly after I get out of bootcamp where they gratuitously teach me how to march with a backpack full of survival gear and handle a firearm. MILITary is a misnomer in my case. Yep."
9. [ME] "WATE WAT? If he isn't for reals a killer? So basically, he's just another boring name-caller who said some really disgusting things that were (to validate you) really disgusting, yes. WHY ARE YOU GUYS GETTING SO SERIOUSLY UPSET ABOUT THIS??? AVERAGE RETARD, HELLO."
Also: "That military thing is ridiculous. You're a grown-up who entered into a contract and took an oath with an employer who is allowed to make you kill people. I did it too. That doesn't mean we like a-rapin an a-killin though. It just means we made choices that could have put us in a situation where we would have to choose to end a life...otherwise we could have been killed OR WORSE."
Also: "ECH, I'm sorry I gave you *WALL OF TEXT* before. I thought it was something else. You right, nigga. CARRY ON."
QuoteSorry, that's complete and utter baloney. And it's really a little insulting to have someone say "I'M NOT REALLY AROUND MUCH AND I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON BUT I THINK ALL OF YOU PEOPLE ARE REMISS FOR PICKING ON THIS ONE GUY. ALSO I AM GOING TO IGNORE EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT HOW HE HAS INSULTED AND ALIENATED EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND INSTEAD PIN IT ON SOME SORT OF HIVE MIND THING."
Not what I said. Try this:
"I'M NOT REALLY AROUND MUCH AND HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THIS GUY...WHAT'S GOIN...WHAT? KILLING WIMMINZ? THAT'S SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP! WAIT...WHAT? NOT ACTUALLY KILLIN? WELL THEN WHY HAVE YOU TRIED, CONVICTED AND EXECUTED HIS CHARACTER AS THOUGH HE DID? SAYING IS NOT THE SAME AS DOING."
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
It's simple. They have to display disapproval of your (and my) Wrong Behavior.
Even if it means sticking up for a nasty fucking deviant like BH. They don't WANT to, Nigel, but YOU'RE JUST NOT VERY SHINY SO WHAT CHOICE DID THEY HAVE?
Yeah, starting to pick up on the whole "SHINY" thing being aimed at me.
I have a personal sense of responsibility about at least trying to change the shit way we humans treat each other on a day-to-day basis because if I can't be in the FBI and I can't be a wealthy philanthropist and I feel really powerless and small and it's going to be YEARS before I'm an actual doctor, THE ONLY THING LEFT TO DO IS TRY TO REDUCE THE GRATUITOUS SHITTY THINGS AROUND ME AND TRY NOT TO WASTE OPPORTUNITIES TO BEHAVE WITH KINDNESS AND INTEGRITY. That's it. If that makes me look like this:(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.spinner.com/media/2011/10/black-hole-sun-456.jpg) to you, there really ain't much I can do about that. I try to conduct myself in a manner that maybe makes the net sum of my existence here maybe a TINY bit more good than shit...or if I can't add more good, at least I can try not to add any more shit.
And your judging me for that, you in the midst of all your (valid) complaints about how humans are so shitty to one another and how nobody's decent anymore, how the whole world has turned to shitty, shit, shit makes you look to me like a guy, stuck at the bottom of a deep shithole, taking a shit, smearing shit, throwing wads of shit at anyone who comes by to try to help you out of the shit and complaining loudly and angrily about how the world is just shit. I don't know whether to try to put on a tyvek bodysuit and try to forcibly hug you, retaliate with a marshmallow gun or just decon myself and walk away from you for awhile. I fucking hurts so bad it's making me cry because if have any hope of anyone here fucking getting the meaning and value in what I'm trying to do here, it's you. And you know it. And you're shitting on it anyway.
Fuck it. I've been staring at this entry for a half-hour. I'm gonna hit Post and...fuck it. Needs to be let out. Setting off nuclear bombs and cussing in the dark and all that, right? I guess this make me less SHINY now since I'm not even making the EFFORT anymore do edit this one and keep my childishness to mySELF.
Fuck you.
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:49:04 AM
I certainly have no ill-will and aside from some deeply hurt feelings from some of the things Dok has said, I wasn't really emotional about any of it after I found out this Babylon guy didn't actually kill anyone.
Yeah, well, you made your choice.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:49:04 AM
I certainly have no ill-will and aside from some deeply hurt feelings from some of the things Dok has said, I wasn't really emotional about any of it after I found out this Babylon guy didn't actually kill anyone.
Yeah, well, you made your choice.
What choice? I didn't realize I was choosing anything. Choice between what and what?
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:56:11 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:49:04 AM
I certainly have no ill-will and aside from some deeply hurt feelings from some of the things Dok has said, I wasn't really emotional about any of it after I found out this Babylon guy didn't actually kill anyone.
Yeah, well, you made your choice.
What choice? I didn't realize I was choosing anything. Choice between what and what?
Between these two options:
1. Chide me like I'm your fucking kid, or
2. Not chide me like I'm your fucking kid.
Now, fuck off.
Quote from: navkat on May 06, 2012, 11:33:38 PM
QuoteSorry, that's complete and utter baloney. And it's really a little insulting to have someone say "I'M NOT REALLY AROUND MUCH AND I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON BUT I THINK ALL OF YOU PEOPLE ARE REMISS FOR PICKING ON THIS ONE GUY. ALSO I AM GOING TO IGNORE EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT HOW HE HAS INSULTED AND ALIENATED EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND INSTEAD PIN IT ON SOME SORT OF HIVE MIND THING."
Not what I said.
Yeah, I was talking about the person who DID say that, who was Joh'Nyx. And semi-combining your two issues, which is why I didn't specifically name one or the other of you. Which, if you have noticed, I am not shy about doing at all.
Also, the "shiny" thing isn't directed at you.
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:49:04 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 07, 2012, 12:26:54 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:24:38 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 07, 2012, 12:14:18 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:38:09 AM
I've got kind of a wild, wild west attitude about these things: You have the right to post what ever offensive shit you want and in turn, people have the right to react authentically.
You say this, but then you were right there on page one calling for The Authority to ban. There is nothing else that concerns me in this thread, legally, morally, BH motives or peoples reactions.
But why bring it up when the people who actually have to ban users weren't considering it or even discussing it. We're here to make sure the forum runs ok, not hold your hand when someone says something horrible.
Did you actually read why that was?
Yes, and I am familiar with what BH actually said. I'm not basing my Judgements on second hand hearsay.
Okay, but I had a mistaken perception of the situation. I admitted my mistake, accepted responsibility for it and corrected myself. The above quote is based on that redirect. I'm puzzled, is something I'm saying coming across as otherwise?
I can't help but think I missed something or left something out somewhere that I thought I covered, etc...I have no idea why but people seem to be getting really angry with me now and I'm boggled. I didn't even realize I was fighting with anyone. I certainly have no ill-will and aside from some deeply hurt feelings from some of the things Dok has said, I wasn't really emotional about any of it after I found out this Babylon guy didn't actually kill anyone.
I even tried to join Gogira in letting it drop with the whole pony thing but my name keeps getting pulled into it and I don't know why.
What, if anything, did I do that was so abhorrent? I mean, if I did something actually wrong, show me. If it's not just a misunderstanding, I'll take responsibility for it and apologize. I'm not going to huff off or hurl insults.
Let's be reasonable.
I'm not angry, nor do I care for an apology, acknowledging that calling for a ban for most any reason isn't in the spirit of things is sufficient. Nothing else concerns me, if you have disagreements with others or have angered people that is your business.
Well it's like this as far as I am fucking concerned you are stated that corpsefucker lumping me in the same category as him is o-fucking-k because I joined the Army, because in the Army I might have to put a few rounds into people, which means that according to you, I joined because I secretly want to kill people, and that makes it ok for corpsefucker to say I have violent murderous sexual urges and killing people turns me on.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 12:57:43 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:56:11 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:49:04 AM
I certainly have no ill-will and aside from some deeply hurt feelings from some of the things Dok has said, I wasn't really emotional about any of it after I found out this Babylon guy didn't actually kill anyone.
Yeah, well, you made your choice.
What choice? I didn't realize I was choosing anything. Choice between what and what?
Between these two options:
1. Chide me like I'm your fucking kid, or
2. Not chide me like I'm your fucking kid.
Now, fuck off.
I'm not even sure what to say to that. I feel that you are being unfair. I also feel like no matter what I say right now, it's just going to get worse and worse and worse so what can I say except "Okay?"
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 01:06:31 AM
Well it's like this as far as I am fucking concerned you are stated that corpsefucker lumping me in the same category as him is o-fucking-k because I joined the Army, because in the Army I might have to put a few rounds into people, which means that according to you, I joined because I secretly want to kill people, and that makes it ok for corpsefucker to say I have violent murderous sexual urges and killing people turns me on.
More to the point: She's been in the fucking military, and knows better.
What this is, is she saw a room full of people that can't stand BH. For some reason, this makes her take up the corpsefucker's cause, and start writing stupid shit like that. It was calculated to upset you, and it did. Why does she do this sort of shit? I have no idea, and I don't actually care anymore. As far as I'm concerned, she can go hang out with BH on whatever Pagan board he's slithering around on these days.
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 12:00:36 AM
Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.
I give up.
Kind of seems past time for that.
Here's the thing; you are talking down to everyone who has a legitimate beef with Babs. You don't know what happened, yet you are assuming that at least four of us are being shit-flinging monkeys because we can't stand the guy. You LITERALLY SAID AS MUCH in that post up there.
So, essentially you have decided that me, Coyote, Dok, and Freeky are all unreasonably attacking poor Babs for no real reason, just to make the world a little less nice.
And stop blaming your poor reading comprehension on Freeky or anyone else. You jumped to yet ANOTHER demeaning conclusion, not about the four of us but about every mod and admin on this board and particularly ECH, which is that for some reason they would for even a split second willingly harbor someone who claimed to actually have raped or murdered anyone. Really?
The way you are behaving right now, it's coming across as if you have a really, really abysmally low opinion of just about everyone here. Stop for a moment. Consider the possibility that we might all have brains in our heads.
Quote from: Faust on May 07, 2012, 01:03:49 AM
I'm not angry, nor do I care for an apology, acknowledging that calling for a ban for most any reason isn't in the spirit of things is sufficient. Nothing else concerns me, if you have disagreements with others or have angered people that is your business.
Okay. Thank you.
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:29:02 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 07, 2012, 12:15:35 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 12:00:36 AM
Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.
I give up.
You know, if you think a little bit of namecalling is going to hurt my feeewings that much, to the point where I openly despise BH, maybe you should give up. And then you can stop talking to me, because apparently some little whiny bitch admin, I don't know who, turned the ignore feature off.
Let me get this straight: To paraphrase the above (if I'm getting this right), if I call you butthurt, we are no longer friends and that is grounds for you to cease contact with me?
Why in the hell would any reasonable person with any measure of self-esteem want to maintain friendship or contact with someone who treats them with open contempt? :? That doesn't even make any sense.
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 01:09:32 AM
I'm not even sure what to say to that. I feel that you are being unfair. I also feel like no matter what I say right now, it's just going to get worse and worse and worse so what can I say except "Okay?"
I don't think it can get worse, to be perfectly honest with you. As far as you're concerned, I joined the army because I wanted some weird sexual thrill out of killing people. Which was said, apparently, to make Coyote somehow equivalent with BH, and shit, looks like you nailed a bunch of other people along with him. You're a Goddamn genius. You should be a brain surgeon, or a rocket scientist.
Also, you didn't seem to have any problem with BH making up shit about Freeky. Something about her "defending a pedophile", which is utter and complete shit. But that's who you've pissed everyone off to go all fucking mama bear over, so I imagine you have some contrived reason for it.
Quote from: Nigel on May 07, 2012, 01:10:45 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 12:00:36 AM
Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.
I give up.
Kind of seems past time for that.
Here's the thing; you are talking down to everyone who has a legitimate beef with Babs. You don't know what happened, yet you are assuming that at least four of us are being shit-flinging monkeys because we can't stand the guy. You LITERALLY SAID AS MUCH in that post up there.
So, essentially you have decided that me, Coyote, Dok, and Freeky are all unreasonably attacking poor Babs for no real reason, just to make the world a little less nice.
And stop blaming your poor reading comprehension on Freeky or anyone else. You jumped to yet ANOTHER demeaning conclusion, not about the four of us but about every mod and admin on this board and particularly ECH, which is that for some reason they would for even a split second willingly harbor someone who claimed to actually have raped or murdered anyone. Really?
The way you are behaving right now, it's coming across as if you have a really, really abysmally low opinion of just about everyone here. Stop for a moment. Consider the possibility that we might all have brains in our heads.
Fuck, why should she stop now?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 01:09:45 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 01:06:31 AM
Well it's like this as far as I am fucking concerned you are stated that corpsefucker lumping me in the same category as him is o-fucking-k because I joined the Army, because in the Army I might have to put a few rounds into people, which means that according to you, I joined because I secretly want to kill people, and that makes it ok for corpsefucker to say I have violent murderous sexual urges and killing people turns me on.
More to the point: She's been in the fucking military, and knows better.
What this is, is she saw a room full of people that can't stand BH. For some reason, this makes her take up the corpsefucker's cause, and start writing stupid shit like that. It was calculated to upset you, and it did. Why does she do this sort of shit? I have no idea, and I don't actually care anymore. As far as I'm concerned, she can go hang out with BH on whatever Pagan board he's slithering around on these days.
That is what really pissed me off.
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 01:16:36 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 01:09:45 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 01:06:31 AM
Well it's like this as far as I am fucking concerned you are stated that corpsefucker lumping me in the same category as him is o-fucking-k because I joined the Army, because in the Army I might have to put a few rounds into people, which means that according to you, I joined because I secretly want to kill people, and that makes it ok for corpsefucker to say I have violent murderous sexual urges and killing people turns me on.
More to the point: She's been in the fucking military, and knows better.
What this is, is she saw a room full of people that can't stand BH. For some reason, this makes her take up the corpsefucker's cause, and start writing stupid shit like that. It was calculated to upset you, and it did. Why does she do this sort of shit? I have no idea, and I don't actually care anymore. As far as I'm concerned, she can go hang out with BH on whatever Pagan board he's slithering around on these days.
That is what really pissed me off.
Yep. When CU wanted to come back, I was against it, and said why (ie, the bastard spent months trying to find out where I work, etc)...And, she herself having been stalked, decided that it wasn't a big deal and that I was being silly. No real attempt to find out happened at EB&G, it was me, so I was wrong.
Then BH comes along. It was me, so I am wrong again. She had no fucking clue what had gone on, but if Roger is against him, he must be doing SOMETHING right, eh?
Yeah, fuck that shit. She can GTFO as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 01:09:32 AM
I'm not even sure what to say to that. I feel that you are being unfair. I also feel like no matter what I say right now, it's just going to get worse and worse and worse so what can I say except "Okay?"
The "wounded innocent" schtick is not gonna fly, I'll tell you that.
You might want to just admit that you have some kind of social retardation that made you say some pretty unfriendly things to a few people... in fact, the very people who have been most vocal about supporting you through your problems... and try to figure out what about your reaction angered them, and how you might do things differently. That is, IF you don't want to anger and offend people in that way.
You might even consider just not submitting your opinion on banning people. It didn't go too well last time either, in a way that still mystifies the hell out of me.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 01:22:11 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 01:16:36 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 01:09:45 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 01:06:31 AM
Well it's like this as far as I am fucking concerned you are stated that corpsefucker lumping me in the same category as him is o-fucking-k because I joined the Army, because in the Army I might have to put a few rounds into people, which means that according to you, I joined because I secretly want to kill people, and that makes it ok for corpsefucker to say I have violent murderous sexual urges and killing people turns me on.
More to the point: She's been in the fucking military, and knows better.
What this is, is she saw a room full of people that can't stand BH. For some reason, this makes her take up the corpsefucker's cause, and start writing stupid shit like that. It was calculated to upset you, and it did. Why does she do this sort of shit? I have no idea, and I don't actually care anymore. As far as I'm concerned, she can go hang out with BH on whatever Pagan board he's slithering around on these days.
That is what really pissed me off.
Yep. When CU wanted to come back, I was against it, and said why (ie, the bastard spent months trying to find out where I work, etc)...And, she herself having been stalked, decided that it wasn't a big deal and that I was being silly. No real attempt to find out happened at EB&G, it was me, so I was wrong.
Then BH comes along. It was me, so I am wrong again. She had no fucking clue what had gone on, but if Roger is against him, he must be doing SOMETHING right, eh?
Yeah, fuck that shit. She can GTFO as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, there seems to be a trend.
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 01:06:31 AM
Well it's like this as far as I am fucking concerned you are stated that corpsefucker lumping me in the same category as him is o-fucking-k because I joined the Army, because in the Army I might have to put a few rounds into people, which means that according to you, I joined because I secretly want to kill people, and that makes it ok for corpsefucker to say I have violent murderous sexual urges and killing people turns me on.
No, that is not what I said. That would be awful and irrational. I'm sorry if I am coming across that way.
Okay, let me try to clarify by breaking down what you think I was saying and what I was actually trying to say:
Quoteyou are stated that corpsefucker lumping me in the same category as him is o-fucking-k
Absolutely not. I'm assuming that by "same category as him" you intend this part:
Quoteviolent murderous sexual urges and killing people turns me on.
I agree that that is pretty insulting and I don't blame you for being appalled that someone would categorize you that way.
Let's take the next part:
Quotebecause in the Army I might have to put a few rounds into people, which means that according to you, I joined because I secretly want to kill people
.
No! That would also be irrational.
I don't want to kill people.
I was in the service in a rate that very well could have put me in a position to:
1. Receive, decode and deliver the orders to the Skipper to fire a nuclear missile OR
2. Travel adjunct to a Spec Ops unit and manage communications somewhere close to where they operate, causing me need to employ SERE tactics and use deadly force to defend myself, evade capture, etc.
I don't
want to kill people but my job in the Navy clearly put me at a higher risk of doing just that than yours, no?
What I was trying to say (and what must have gotten muddled somehow) is that the military, by it's very nature, employs use of deadly force to achieve certain tasks. To say "All my choices when I joined were non-violent ones" is naive. You and I both know that there is a possibility
no matter how remote you think or were told it may be that you may be asked to take a life.
Here's a snap of that conversation:
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 05:26:54 AM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 04:41:11 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
The thing is, I didn't join the Army to blow shit up or kill people. All my choices of jobs in the Army were ones that were relatively non-violent, and I've been rather honest about what I did in the Army. That is particularly why I got pissed about murderrapist's personal attack.
Two points:
1. Of COURSE you didn't join to kill anyone, neither have you said or done anything to indicate that you would enjoy taking lives. Troll account is trollish.
2. That said, the military is inherently violent and you are an adult, of legal age and entered willingly into a contract whose terms imply that you will likely, at some point, be required to take a life to not be in breach of that contract. I did it, you did it, I understand. There a level of disconnect from the following truth: "the purpose of the military is to kill people in a situation wherein my elected officials have determined they will not listen to reason." It's easy to forget when you're in your early 20s and indulging fantasies in your head of decoding intel and jumping out of airplanes but it is nonetheless true and your own fault/responsibility if, after jumping out of airplanes, your orders include putting a slug into the head of a 12 year old child, pointing a gun at you.
I still believe in the bolded part of my post.
Here's where I think things got confused: My reference to people going into the military to blow shit up had
nothing to do with you. It was to illustrate my point that what people
say they want isn't always in agreement with how they'd really react in such a situation if presented with it. Therefore SAYING a thing and actually DOING a thing are to be judged differently. I believe this is an important
idea to defend (NOT that I think BH is an important
person to defend) because it is what keeps "thoughtcrime" from being a convictable offense.
In hindsight, after your having told me that your job was the
source of his insult to you, it was a very poor choice in example on my part. I can easily see how, in your valid upset, you could have mistaken that I was validating, at least in part, BH's deplorable comparison. That is NOT what I meant and I'm sorry for any hurt that may have caused you.
We might just have to agree to disagree, and here's why:
Some percentage of people approach this forum as a community and some percentage approach it as a forum to discuss ideas; i know a good bunch of you know yourselves in real life and been known for years also thru the internet, but i dont have the circumstance to do so (geographical distance, etc.)
From a community perspective you are right, but not from a discussion forum which is the stance in which i am.
I got interfered while i was discussing with BH (thread didnt get splitted, but i guess thats BHs fault for not asking for it do be done); ive seen and remember several ammount of threads ruined by interference like puns, jacking or flame wars and i really dislike it because it demotivates the OP from posting or investing time (might argue "but its BH" but ive seen it happen to almost everyone at one point or another).
On the other hand i know people hate BHs guts and just want to run him off the board and dont care about anything he might have to say.
But I can be genuinely interested in what someone has to say, no matter who they are because i study psychology and im into discourse, no matter the source; David Icke says our government leaders are reptilians? im interested in why those insane positions exist in the first place; why do people think thru the viewpoint of anarchy and related topics? I dont know, and i find it interesting.
Im not sticking up for BH (i dont particularly care), im just trying to discuss shit and analyzing how certain reactions/behaviour interfere with being able to do so.
I'm going to take a bit that particularly pissed me off and see if maybe, SOMEHOW, I can get through to you why.
Quote from: navkat on May 06, 2012, 11:33:38 PM
I have a personal sense of responsibility about at least trying to change the shit way we humans treat each other on a day-to-day basis because if I can't be in the FBI and I can't be a wealthy philanthropist and I feel really powerless and small and it's going to be YEARS before I'm an actual doctor, THE ONLY THING LEFT TO DO IS TRY TO REDUCE THE GRATUITOUS SHITTY THINGS AROUND ME AND TRY NOT TO WASTE OPPORTUNITIES TO BEHAVE WITH KINDNESS AND INTEGRITY.
Condemnation by comparison... here you are establishing yourself as a Good Person. Since you are talking about us and behavior you find objectionable, this part of your post implies that we are Not Being Good People. But it's ok... you're here to
help.
Quote from: navkat on May 06, 2012, 11:33:38 PMI try to conduct myself in a manner that maybe makes the net sum of my existence here maybe a TINY bit more good than shit...or if I can't add more good, at least I can try not to add any more shit.
And your judging me for that, you in the midst of all your (valid) complaints about how humans are so shitty to one another and how nobody's decent anymore, how the whole world has turned to shitty, shit, shit makes you look to me like a guy, stuck at the bottom of a deep shithole, taking a shit, smearing shit, throwing wads of shit at anyone who comes by to try to help you out of the shit and complaining loudly and angrily about how the world is just shit. I don't know whether to try to put on a tyvek bodysuit and try to forcibly hug you, retaliate with a marshmallow gun or just decon myself and walk away from you for awhile. I fucking hurts so bad it's making me cry because if have any hope of anyone here fucking getting the meaning and value in what I'm trying to do here, it's you. And you know it. And you're shitting on it anyway.
Annnd here, you just dive right into it. So apparently, not being nice to Babs makes us shit-flinging monkeys in a shithole. But, being the Good Person that you are, you just want to
help us. Maybe by forcibly hugging us like autistic children having a tantrum... but not until you're safely suited, because you wouldn't want to get any of our shit on you.
THANKS.
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 05:26:54 AM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 04:41:11 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
The thing is, I didn't join the Army to blow shit up or kill people. All my choices of jobs in the Army were ones that were relatively non-violent, and I've been rather honest about what I did in the Army. That is particularly why I got pissed about murderrapist's personal attack.
Two points:
1. Of COURSE you didn't join to kill anyone, neither have you said or done anything to indicate that you would enjoy taking lives. Troll account is trollish.
2. That said, the military is inherently violent and you are an adult, of legal age and entered willingly into a contract whose terms imply that you will likely, at some point, be required to take a life to not be in breach of that contract. I did it, you did it, I understand. There a level of disconnect from the following truth: "the purpose of the military is to kill people in a situation wherein my elected officials have determined they will not listen to reason." It's easy to forget when you're in your early 20s and indulging fantasies in your head of decoding intel and jumping out of airplanes but it is nonetheless true and your own fault/responsibility if, after jumping out of airplanes, your orders include putting a slug into the head of a 12 year old child, pointing a gun at you.
Either this is a direct comparison or it makes no sense in this thread.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 07, 2012, 02:07:55 AM
On the other hand i know people hate BHs guts and just want to run him off the board and dont care about anything he might have to say.
1. Yep. That's it in a nutshell. However:
2. He even said this thread was a troll from the beginning, because I had been laughing at him for being an anarchist collecting welfare from the mean old state.
Quote from: Nigel on May 07, 2012, 01:10:45 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 12:00:36 AM
Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.
I give up.
Kind of seems past time for that.
Here's the thing; you are talking down to everyone who has a legitimate beef with Babs. You don't know what happened, yet you are assuming that at least four of us are being shit-flinging monkeys because we can't stand the guy. You LITERALLY SAID AS MUCH in that post up there.
I don't know where I called at least four of you shit-flinging monkeys. I also agree that you have legitimate reasons why you can't stand the guy.
Quote
So, essentially you have decided that me, Coyote, Dok, and Freeky are all unreasonably attacking poor Babs for no real reason, just to make the world a little less nice.
I have not decided that at all, no.
QuoteAnd stop blaming your poor reading comprehension on Freeky or anyone else.
I am not blaming her, I blame me. I thought I made that clear in my post to ECH where I highlighted where I fucked up in parsing the message (DERP). However, I do realize I didn't apologize to Freeky for that so if she's reading, I'm sorry.
Quote
You jumped to yet ANOTHER demeaning conclusion, not about the four of us but about every mod and admin on this board and particularly ECH, which is that for some reason they would for even a split second willingly harbor someone who claimed to actually have raped or murdered anyone.
Nottt realllly...I guess I can see how it could be taken that way. I realize that the admins and mods are not always in agreement and how often, it comes down to Faust and ECH to make a command decision. That is what I thought was going on and I have now made amends with both of them.
QuoteThe way you are behaving right now, it's coming across as if you have a really, really abysmally low opinion of just about everyone here. Stop for a moment. Consider the possibility that we might all have brains in our heads.
Okay, Thank you. I'm trying to correct how I'm coming across right now. This is a mess but I'm willing to calmly comb through it and get it squared-away. I'm reeeeally trying to not get excited or emotional so please have patience with me while I slowly and carefully address these.
Quote from: Nigel on May 07, 2012, 02:09:13 AM
I'm going to take a bit that particularly pissed me off and see if maybe, SOMEHOW, I can get through to you why.
Quote from: navkat on May 06, 2012, 11:33:38 PM
I have a personal sense of responsibility about at least trying to change the shit way we humans treat each other on a day-to-day basis because if I can't be in the FBI and I can't be a wealthy philanthropist and I feel really powerless and small and it's going to be YEARS before I'm an actual doctor, THE ONLY THING LEFT TO DO IS TRY TO REDUCE THE GRATUITOUS SHITTY THINGS AROUND ME AND TRY NOT TO WASTE OPPORTUNITIES TO BEHAVE WITH KINDNESS AND INTEGRITY.
Condemnation by comparison... here you are establishing yourself as a Good Person. Since you are talking about us and behavior you find objectionable, this part of your post implies that we are Not Being Good People. But it's ok... you're here to help.
Quote from: navkat on May 06, 2012, 11:33:38 PMI try to conduct myself in a manner that maybe makes the net sum of my existence here maybe a TINY bit more good than shit...or if I can't add more good, at least I can try not to add any more shit.
And your judging me for that, you in the midst of all your (valid) complaints about how humans are so shitty to one another and how nobody's decent anymore, how the whole world has turned to shitty, shit, shit makes you look to me like a guy, stuck at the bottom of a deep shithole, taking a shit, smearing shit, throwing wads of shit at anyone who comes by to try to help you out of the shit and complaining loudly and angrily about how the world is just shit. I don't know whether to try to put on a tyvek bodysuit and try to forcibly hug you, retaliate with a marshmallow gun or just decon myself and walk away from you for awhile. I fucking hurts so bad it's making me cry because if have any hope of anyone here fucking getting the meaning and value in what I'm trying to do here, it's you. And you know it. And you're shitting on it anyway.
Annnd here, you just dive right into it. So apparently, not being nice to Babs makes us shit-flinging monkeys in a shithole. But, being the Good Person that you are, you just want to help us. Maybe by forcibly hugging us like autistic children having a tantrum... but not until you're safely suited, because you wouldn't want to get any of our shit on you.
THANKS.
You really should have gone into law, Nigel.
Or journalism.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 07, 2012, 02:07:55 AM
We might just have to agree to disagree, and here's why:
Some percentage of people approach this forum as a community and some percentage approach it as a forum to discuss ideas; i know a good bunch of you know yourselves in real life and been known for years also thru the internet, but i dont have the circumstance to do so (geographical distance, etc.)
From a community perspective you are right, but not from a discussion forum which is the stance in which i am.
I got interfered while i was discussing with BH (thread didnt get splitted, but i guess thats BHs fault for not asking for it do be done); ive seen and remember several ammount of threads ruined by interference like puns, jacking or flame wars and i really dislike it because it demotivates the OP from posting or investing time (might argue "but its BH" but ive seen it happen to almost everyone at one point or another).
On the other hand i know people hate BHs guts and just want to run him off the board and dont care about anything he might have to say.
But I can be genuinely interested in what someone has to say, no matter who they are because i study psychology and im into discourse, no matter the source; David Icke says our government leaders are reptilians? im interested in why those insane positions exist in the first place; why do people think thru the viewpoint of anarchy and related topics? I dont know, and i find it interesting.
Im not sticking up for BH (i dont particularly care), im just trying to discuss shit and analyzing how certain reactions/behaviour interfere with being able to do so.
You can also start threads, you know. And unless you take up jacking other people's threads, it's highly unlikely that anyone would jack yours.
Although, of course, part 2 of why this thread was doomed from the beginning is because all it's about is him getting attention. He's a self-proclaimed Anarchist and he's on welfare, and for some reason he doesn't think there's a conflict.
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 02:13:00 AM
Okay, Thank you. I'm trying to correct how I'm coming across right now. This is a mess but I'm willing to calmly comb through it and get it squared-away. I'm reeeeally trying to not get excited or emotional so please have patience with me while I slowly and carefully address these.
JUST LET ME MAKE A LITTLE CORRECTION, HERE!
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 02:13:28 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 07, 2012, 02:09:13 AM
I'm going to take a bit that particularly pissed me off and see if maybe, SOMEHOW, I can get through to you why.
Quote from: navkat on May 06, 2012, 11:33:38 PM
I have a personal sense of responsibility about at least trying to change the shit way we humans treat each other on a day-to-day basis because if I can't be in the FBI and I can't be a wealthy philanthropist and I feel really powerless and small and it's going to be YEARS before I'm an actual doctor, THE ONLY THING LEFT TO DO IS TRY TO REDUCE THE GRATUITOUS SHITTY THINGS AROUND ME AND TRY NOT TO WASTE OPPORTUNITIES TO BEHAVE WITH KINDNESS AND INTEGRITY.
Condemnation by comparison... here you are establishing yourself as a Good Person. Since you are talking about us and behavior you find objectionable, this part of your post implies that we are Not Being Good People. But it's ok... you're here to help.
Quote from: navkat on May 06, 2012, 11:33:38 PMI try to conduct myself in a manner that maybe makes the net sum of my existence here maybe a TINY bit more good than shit...or if I can't add more good, at least I can try not to add any more shit.
And your judging me for that, you in the midst of all your (valid) complaints about how humans are so shitty to one another and how nobody's decent anymore, how the whole world has turned to shitty, shit, shit makes you look to me like a guy, stuck at the bottom of a deep shithole, taking a shit, smearing shit, throwing wads of shit at anyone who comes by to try to help you out of the shit and complaining loudly and angrily about how the world is just shit. I don't know whether to try to put on a tyvek bodysuit and try to forcibly hug you, retaliate with a marshmallow gun or just decon myself and walk away from you for awhile. I fucking hurts so bad it's making me cry because if have any hope of anyone here fucking getting the meaning and value in what I'm trying to do here, it's you. And you know it. And you're shitting on it anyway.
Annnd here, you just dive right into it. So apparently, not being nice to Babs makes us shit-flinging monkeys in a shithole. But, being the Good Person that you are, you just want to help us. Maybe by forcibly hugging us like autistic children having a tantrum... but not until you're safely suited, because you wouldn't want to get any of our shit on you.
THANKS.
You really should have gone into law, Nigel.
Or journalism.
:lol: It's not too late.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 02:09:21 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 05:26:54 AM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 05, 2012, 04:41:11 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
The thing is, I didn't join the Army to blow shit up or kill people. All my choices of jobs in the Army were ones that were relatively non-violent, and I've been rather honest about what I did in the Army. That is particularly why I got pissed about murderrapist's personal attack.
Two points:
1. Of COURSE you didn't join to kill anyone, neither have you said or done anything to indicate that you would enjoy taking lives. Troll account is trollish.
2. That said, the military is inherently violent and you are an adult, of legal age and entered willingly into a contract whose terms imply that you will likely, at some point, be required to take a life to not be in breach of that contract. I did it, you did it, I understand. There a level of disconnect from the following truth: "the purpose of the military is to kill people in a situation wherein my elected officials have determined they will not listen to reason." It's easy to forget when you're in your early 20s and indulging fantasies in your head of decoding intel and jumping out of airplanes but it is nonetheless true and your own fault/responsibility if, after jumping out of airplanes, your orders include putting a slug into the head of a 12 year old child, pointing a gun at you.
Either this is a direct comparison or it makes no sense in this thread.
The fact that she brings it up says to me that she thinks the
potential for a service member, such as myself, should either not get pissed, or that I should expect shit like this and bear it. As it stands now it sounds like I don't even have the luxury of taking pride in any bit of my service else I be lumped in with sick fucks like bh.
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 02:13:00 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 07, 2012, 01:10:45 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 12:00:36 AM
Well fuck you too navcat. Seems the reason I got pissed at corpsefucker went right over your fucking head.
I give up.
Kind of seems past time for that.
Here's the thing; you are talking down to everyone who has a legitimate beef with Babs. You don't know what happened, yet you are assuming that at least four of us are being shit-flinging monkeys because we can't stand the guy. You LITERALLY SAID AS MUCH in that post up there.
I don't know where I called at least four of you shit-flinging monkeys. I also agree that you have legitimate reasons why you can't stand the guy.
Really?
Quote from: navkat on May 06, 2012, 11:33:38 PMI try to conduct myself in a manner that maybe makes the net sum of my existence here maybe a TINY bit more good than shit...or if I can't add more good, at least I can try not to add any more shit.
And your judging me for that, you in the midst of all your (valid) complaints about how humans are so shitty to one another and how nobody's decent anymore, how the whole world has turned to shitty, shit, shit makes you look to me like a guy, stuck at the bottom of a deep shithole, taking a shit, smearing shit, throwing wads of shit at anyone who comes by to try to help you out of the shit and complaining loudly and angrily about how the world is just shit. I don't know whether to try to put on a tyvek bodysuit and try to forcibly hug you, retaliate with a marshmallow gun or just decon myself and walk away from you for awhile. I fucking hurts so bad it's making me cry because if have any hope of anyone here fucking getting the meaning and value in what I'm trying to do here, it's you. And you know it. And you're shitting on it anyway.
I don't understand why this is so confusing for you.
Jesus Fuck, Navkat... shut the fuck up and let it go.
:facepalm:
You're treading a fine line between naivety and condescension, and the more you try to act "reasonable" the more you are coming off to those who are taking issue with you as pretentious and arrogant.
*I* was around for all the shit that went down with Babs. I saw it first hand.
You, on the other hand, were not, did not, and cannot. Your points stopped being valid a long friggin' time ago, and all you are succeeding in doing is making it seem like you're trying to insert yourself into a situation that have no business being involved in, and insulting three quarters of the participants to boot. WHETHER OR NOT YOU MEAN TO IS NOT RELEVANT AT THIS POINT.
Dok raises a good point about the CU thing. Something else that you were not in command of all the facts of (and could not be reasonably expected to be), and yet you insisted on making your opinion known, and because you don't have all the facts, you end up coming off as sticking your nose in where it honestly doesn't belong, and you seem to be having issues communicating your own points and understandding the points of others lately. You really need to get a handle on that.
Note: I am not knocking you. Believe me, I know the feeling of wanting to comment on everything, especially on issues that you feel strongly about, but seriously, approaching ANY situation and forming an opinion without all of the facts (which in the case of both BH and CU are impossible to come by at this point) is bound to end poorly.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 02:12:43 AM
2. He even said this thread was a troll from the beginning, because I had been laughing at him for being an anarchist collecting welfare from the mean old state.
Well, for sure it wasnt in the OP. Where at he said it was a troll? PMs or another thread?
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 07, 2012, 02:26:25 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 02:12:43 AM
2. He even said this thread was a troll from the beginning, because I had been laughing at him for being an anarchist collecting welfare from the mean old state.
Well, for sure it wasnt in the OP. Where at he said it was a troll? PMs or another thread?
Page two of the thread, IIRC.
ETA: Page 3.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,32371.30/msg,1171213.html
Quote from: Nigel on May 07, 2012, 02:15:34 AM
You can also start threads, you know. And unless you take up jacking other people's threads, it's highly unlikely that anyone would jack yours.
Although, of course, part 2 of why this thread was doomed from the beginning is because all it's about is him getting attention. He's a self-proclaimed Anarchist and he's on welfare, and for some reason he doesn't think there's a conflict.
Fair enough, just note that part of my initial arguments revolved around depending on if he was a constant thread jacker or not (and no, i cannot keep up with the mass volume of threads and everyones behaviour).
See if you only told me that instead of insulting me we coulda saved a lot of time and words. But i think the reaction also came from people perceiveing me as "hes defending BH" or whatever.
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 07, 2012, 02:31:32 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 07, 2012, 02:15:34 AM
You can also start threads, you know. And unless you take up jacking other people's threads, it's highly unlikely that anyone would jack yours.
Although, of course, part 2 of why this thread was doomed from the beginning is because all it's about is him getting attention. He's a self-proclaimed Anarchist and he's on welfare, and for some reason he doesn't think there's a conflict.
Fair enough, just note that part of my initial arguments revolved around depending on if he was a constant thread jacker or not (and no, i cannot keep up with the mass volume of threads and everyones behaviour).
See if you only told me that instead of insulting me we coulda saved a lot of time and words. But i think the reaction also came from people perceiveing me as "hes defending BH" or whatever.
I did tell you that he has a history of jacking threads. You ignored it.
Quote from: Nigel on May 07, 2012, 02:33:14 AM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 07, 2012, 02:31:32 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 07, 2012, 02:15:34 AM
You can also start threads, you know. And unless you take up jacking other people's threads, it's highly unlikely that anyone would jack yours.
Although, of course, part 2 of why this thread was doomed from the beginning is because all it's about is him getting attention. He's a self-proclaimed Anarchist and he's on welfare, and for some reason he doesn't think there's a conflict.
Fair enough, just note that part of my initial arguments revolved around depending on if he was a constant thread jacker or not (and no, i cannot keep up with the mass volume of threads and everyones behaviour).
See if you only told me that instead of insulting me we coulda saved a lot of time and words. But i think the reaction also came from people perceiveing me as "hes defending BH" or whatever.
I did tell you that he has a history of jacking threads. You ignored it.
It's hard to be satisfyingly self-righteous when you go around
listening.
Also, for the record, I derailed this thread BEFORE you posted in it, Johnny. It's not all about you.
Ok, now i can see why it all happened, i just didnt know certain things, its not really on my agenda to gratuitously fuel the drama
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 07, 2012, 02:46:13 AM
Ok, now i can see why it all happened, i just didnt know certain things, its not really on my agenda to gratuitously fuel the drama
I feel like we all learned something today.
:hosrie:
Quote from: Alty on May 07, 2012, 02:58:00 AM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 07, 2012, 02:46:13 AM
Ok, now i can see why it all happened, i just didnt know certain things, its not really on my agenda to gratuitously fuel the drama
I feel like we all learned something today.
:hosrie:
Not me. I'm still dumb as fuck.
:whack:
Note how BH eventually slunk back to the shadows, yet everyone continued to bite each others heads off over him. The presence of the Godess is strong in this thread.
I was getting seeeeriously upset before and needed to walk away for a while. I also needed to sort out some of the information because I just wasn't getting it.
Here it is: I opened my mouth without all of the information. I did it in the Cap't U thread and I did it here and I'm sorry. I am going to try to learn from those mistakes and not do it again.
I have a difficulty parsing some of the input when it comes to people. I also have a huge difficulty understanding how I am coming across by the words I'm selecting to convey my message. I know this is a flaw of mine and I try to do my best to account for it but sometimes, I'm just plain clueless. You guys are not the first ones to get angry at me about it and you probably won't be the last. It's okay, it's just something I have to work around and it just means I have the duty to try harder.
Coyote & Roger: It deeply hurts me that something I said made you feel as though I was in any way validating the idea that either of you, by virtue of your time in the service, had a desire to or got enjoyment from killing or hurting other living people. Out of everything on here, I'm torn up about that. I realize now that that must've felt like a betrayal, also. I hope that I have been able to correct is and illustrate what I meant to the degree where you are no longer carrying that burden--though I know just the fact that it seemed that I was saying so probably stung just the same. I can't undo that. That part will probably stick in my head for a while.
I am not doing any more good for anyone in this thread. I'm just making a bigger mess of things so I need to bow out. However, you have the right to your feelings and to express them without feeling shut down or like I said my peace and flounced without giving you the floor so I will continue to pop over to read what you have to say but I really need to disengage. I feel this is the right thing to do. If there's something you really want answers about, you can PM, call or email me anytime and I'll do my utmost.
I hope you will be able to understand that I am flawed, forgive me these flaws and find value in my participation here again someday. I can't promise I will never make another dumb mistake or run my mouth without all the information but I will try.
Thanks,
-jenn
Nav, I can now better articulate why I am furious with you.
During you recap of the situation, you shorthanded how Coyote and I were describing how and why we detest him. That shorthand was "He's gross [or something like that] and he called me names. THE NERVE!"
That right there is the most offensive, hateful, dismissive thing I've ever heard from someone I considered a friend. If you can't figure out why, then like I said earlier, just stop talking to me.
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 01:06:31 AM
Well it's like this as far as I am fucking concerned you are stated that corpsefucker lumping me in the same category as him is o-fucking-k because I joined the Army, because in the Army I might have to put a few rounds into people, which means that according to you, I joined because I secretly want to kill people, and that makes it ok for corpsefucker to say I have violent murderous sexual urges and killing people turns me on.
Your head.
You should see about getting it extracted from your ass.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 01:09:45 AM
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 01:06:31 AM
Well it's like this as far as I am fucking concerned you are stated that corpsefucker lumping me in the same category as him is o-fucking-k because I joined the Army, because in the Army I might have to put a few rounds into people, which means that according to you, I joined because I secretly want to kill people, and that makes it ok for corpsefucker to say I have violent murderous sexual urges and killing people turns me on.
More to the point: She's been in the fucking military, and knows better.
What this is, is she saw a room full of people that can't stand BH. For some reason, this makes her take up the corpsefucker's cause, and start writing stupid shit like that. It was calculated to upset you, and it did. Why does she do this sort of shit? I have no idea, and I don't actually care anymore. As far as I'm concerned, she can go hang out with BH on whatever Pagan board he's slithering around on these days.
See my above post.
Quote from: Nigel on May 07, 2012, 01:27:41 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 07, 2012, 01:09:32 AM
I'm not even sure what to say to that. I feel that you are being unfair. I also feel like no matter what I say right now, it's just going to get worse and worse and worse so what can I say except "Okay?"
The "wounded innocent" schtick is not gonna fly, I'll tell you that.
You might want to just admit that you have some kind of social retardation that made you say some pretty unfriendly things to a few people... in fact, the very people who have been most vocal about supporting you through your problems... and try to figure out what about your reaction angered them, and how you might do things differently. That is, IF you don't want to anger and offend people in that way.
You might even consider just not submitting your opinion on banning people. It didn't go too well last time either, in a way that still mystifies the hell out of me.
Lest some retard think I'm pulling some sort of white knight schtick because I think some people are WAY overreacting to essentially nothing, I also think this post is riding the correct motorcycle.
Welp looks like me and Dok are in the wrong.
This thread is a bag of dicks. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for getting so wrapped around the axle over anything BH has ever said to you, about you, or otherwise.
You should also probably feel slightly remorseful about the way you treated navkat when it was obvious to any reasonable observer that she wasn't saying or implying the things you were accusing her of saying and/or implying. The fact that she chose some words or analogies poorly shouldn't outweigh the fact that she's a long-time poster who has always appeared to be quite sincere about being a part of the PD community. Taking one miscommunication and running with it as though SHE were BH or DK or some shitneck like that is pretty low.
But hey, digging in and screeching is more fun, amirite?
To summarize: BH called some people names and in spite of the fact that everyone knows what a worthless shitbag BH is, the people who were called names are taking it so personally and holding onto it so tightly that they're willing to trash anybody else who tries to say "hey, guys, maybe this isn't something worth waving your dicks all over the forum for."
And now everyone's getting all butthurt over people pointing out that they're being all butthurt.
In other words since I reacted differently to a situation than you I am being over sensitive and butthurt. Go eat a bag of a dicks.
No, you're being over-sensitive and butthurt because that's what you're being. It has nothing to do with me. But by all means, keep screeching.
Again, in case you missed it the first time: YOU ARE LETTING SOMETHING SOME WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT THAT YOU WOULDN'T PISS ON IF HE WERE ON FIRE SAID TO YOU PROVOKE AN UNREASONABLE STRONG AND MISDIRECTED EMOTIONAL REACTION. WHY THE FUCKING FUCK WOULD YOU GIVE EVEN THE SLIGHTEST SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING BH EVER SAID? PUT SOME FUCKING STARCH IN YOUR BLOOMERS.
Quote from: The 3 wolf moon is a harsh SHUTUP on May 07, 2012, 06:34:30 AM
Welp looks like me and Dok are in the wrong.
Oh goddammit. Wrong about what? Wrong about BH? Nah. Wrong about what navkat was trying to say? Yeah, i can't say that you are correct on that.
What BH said to you is completely, utterly indefensible. And nobody, least of all navkat, is going to try to defend it. All she was saying was that signing up for the military comes with certain expectations, one of which is the possibility of violence.
That, by no means, in her mind, or in anyone else's, means that you, or Dok, or anyone who joins the military, joins the military because they are a sociopath that enjoys killing.
Even the people who sign up to blow shit up find out that it ain't at all what they expected. Dumb kids tend to find out the hard way, don't they?
You
should be proud of your service, and you should count it to your credit that you served in a non-combat capacity. No one thinks that you are on the same level as BH. Do you really think that navkat was saying that? Honestly?
It's a longass thread and I just got back to this and I'm fucking beat, so I could be off track here, but Nav: you were defending BH?
Weren't we just talking about red flags, instincts and The Gift of Fear a week or two ago?
Warning bell: DING DING THE CREEPY ASSHOLE FANTASIZES ABOUT NONCONSENSUAL MURDERSEX AND PROJECTS AT LEAST THE NONSEXUAL PART OF THIS ON EVERYBODY WHO EVER SERVED IN THE ARMED FORCES.
He's on his own until he gets a fuckton of therapy AFAIC. Maybe longer than that.
Nobody in this thread was "defending" BH, you should probably read the thread more thoroughly before you accuse somebody of something like that. I do think a couple of people, and I'll be a third, were making a point that was essentially, "If BH annoys you/pisses you off/creeps you out, just ignore the fucker"
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, it is remarkably easy to avoid people you don't like or people who rub you the wrong way. That is, if you want to avoid all of that. Though, as is PD tradition, I suspect that maybe subconsciously there is some attraction to the drama. And, in a way, that makes this place remarkably easy to troll. I kind of suspect that the original intent of this thread was an honest interest in discussing the topic, and not trolling half of PD. Yet, it happened anyway, and BH didn't really have to do a whole lot to make it happen.
And trust me, I get it. When Rev. Uncle BadTouch was here, that fucker really creeped me the fuck out. And I think I was extra sensitive to it because I have two young children. And I have to admit, sometimes I did go out of my way to find a way for whatever he posted to offend me so I could get all butthurt and start having a go at him. But, that really was a counterproductive use of my time. The best thing to do, the thing I do now with people I don't like, is just ignore them. If they are following you around that's different, but if they are just posting threads, posting comments in other occassional threads, just put them on the ignore list and just forget about them.
You know what I think would really help improve this thread? If everybody would just explain their point just one more time, so I made a handy form letter:
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Can I use a picture of a hippo instead? I don't have any pony pictures.
Quote from: Triple Zero on May 07, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
You know what I think would really help improve this thread? If everybody would just explain their point just one more time, so I made a handy form letter:
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1A. I, TOO, AGREE THAT BH IS A DISGUSTING SHITHEAD.
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Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 07, 2012, 01:31:15 PM
Can I use a picture of a hippo instead? I don't have any pony pictures.
I'm fairly sure this thread is not hippo compliant
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and
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Quote from: Triple Zero on May 07, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
You know what I think would really help improve this thread? If everybody would just explain their point just one more time, so I made a handy form letter:
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1A. I, TOO, AGREE THAT BH IS A DISGUSTING SHITHEAD.
1B. [ ] SO DON'T ASSUME I'M TRYING TO DEFEND HIM
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2A. AND WHILE ________'S POINT IS
(name of previous poster)
2B. [ ] ALSO SOMEWHAT VALID
[ ] DEEPLY OFFENSIVE
(check one)
3A. [ ] THE REAL POINT IS THAT
[ ] WHAT THIS IS REALLY ABOUT
[ ] WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS
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Please use the form, QG.
This thread will never die. :lulz:
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 07, 2012, 04:47:25 PM
Goddammit You People I was away for ONE DAY
We are unable to behave in your absence.
Quote from: Triple Zero on May 07, 2012, 04:56:26 PM
Please use the form, QG.
Please amend my post to read as the following:
1A, 2A
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 05:08:33 PM
This thread will never die. :lulz:
Its not a real PD drama thread until it reaches fifty pages, causes three flounces, ruins the friendships of at least four people, causes one to declare "this is the cancer killing PD" in those terms and without a hint of irony, drags in at least two entirely uninvolved bystanders and leaves everyone who has read the thread with a slightly tarnished feeling.
Quote from: Cain on May 07, 2012, 05:31:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 05:08:33 PM
This thread will never die. :lulz:
Its not a real PD drama thread until it reaches fifty pages, causes three flounces, ruins the friendships of at least four people, causes one to declare "this is the cancer killing PD" in those terms and without a hint of irony, drags in at least two entirely uninvolved bystanders and leaves everyone who has read the thread with a slightly tarnished feeling.
I don't know if I have the stamina to stay with this one for the whole ride.
But nobody can talk to anyone anywhere else, because they've strapped a ton of butthurt to their backs.
Quote from: Cain on May 07, 2012, 05:31:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 05:08:33 PM
This thread will never die. :lulz:
Its not a real PD drama thread until it reaches fifty pages,
Anarchists are the way the are because of marijuana!
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 07, 2012, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 07, 2012, 05:31:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 05:08:33 PM
This thread will never die. :lulz:
Its not a real PD drama thread until it reaches fifty pages,
Anarchists are the way the are because of marijuana!
MAGICK marijuana, and we're good for the next 6 months.
Magick anarchist copyleft marijuana is the cancer that is killing PD.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 07, 2012, 05:35:32 PM
Magick anarchist copyleft marijuana is the cancer that is killing PD.
Oh, right. Forgot the intellectual property bit. :lulz:
Speaking of butthurt,
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 08:17:09 PMI swear, if butthurt could be converted into electricity this forum could power the entire eastern seaboard.
We should investigate how to convert butthurt into powering the forum's Search functionality.
Butt-Search.
Quote from: Triple Zero on May 07, 2012, 05:59:38 PM
Speaking of butthurt,
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 08:17:09 PMI swear, if butthurt could be converted into electricity this forum could power the entire eastern seaboard.
We should investigate how to convert butthurt into powering the forum's Search functionality.
Butt-Search.
I don't want my butt to crash and lock up. :sad:
please don't search my butt.
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 07, 2012, 06:03:05 PM
please don't search my butt.
It won't actually do the search, but it WILL make your butt stop working while everyone's trying to use it.
Quote from: Triple Zero on May 07, 2012, 05:59:38 PM
Speaking of butthurt,
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 05, 2012, 08:17:09 PMI swear, if butthurt could be converted into electricity this forum could power the entire eastern seaboard.
We should investigate how to convert butthurt into powering the forum's Search functionality.
Butt-Search.
This would potentially make a hilarious, though R-rated, sequel to Monsters, Inc.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 06:04:03 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 07, 2012, 06:03:05 PM
please don't search my butt.
It won't actually do the search, but it WILL make your butt stop working while everyone's trying to use it.
I need my butt working :(
The great thing about taking a few weeks off is that I can see the train wreck approaching, and then I can skip to the end, where everyone's talking about ass-play.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on May 07, 2012, 06:52:20 PM
The great thing about taking a few weeks off is that I can see the train wreck approaching, and then I can skip to the end, where everyone's talking about ass-play.
I bet you just skip to the last page of mystery novels, too. I mean, they're just as predictable as we are, and the results are about the same.
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 07, 2012, 06:42:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 06:04:03 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 07, 2012, 06:03:05 PM
please don't search my butt.
It won't actually do the search, but it WILL make your butt stop working while everyone's trying to use it.
I need my butt working :(
Nonsense. That's why we have colostomy bags.
Which, it turns out, are microwave safe. I bet you didn't know that.
Now, I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear: Everyone who posted in this thread - myself included - was being a DUMBFUCK. I think we should all STOP being Dumbfucks now, and I'd also like to suggest that everyone let go of that big case of the ass that we've been carrying around since page 1.
Try it. Just let it go and walk away. If you don't like it, you can always go back and pick it up later.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 07:13:07 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 07, 2012, 06:42:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 06:04:03 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 07, 2012, 06:03:05 PM
please don't search my butt.
It won't actually do the search, but it WILL make your butt stop working while everyone's trying to use it.
I need my butt working :(
Nonsense. That's why we have colostomy bags.
Which, it turns out, are microwave safe. I bet you didn't know that.
Now, I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear: Everyone who posted in this thread - myself included - was being a DUMBFUCK. I think we should all STOP being Dumbfucks now, and I'd also like to suggest that everyone let go of that big case of the ass that we've been carrying around since page 1.
Try it. Just let it go and walk away. If you don't like it, you can always go back and pick it up later.
Awww, even the non-sequitor ponies were dumbfuckery?
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 07, 2012, 07:23:04 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 07:13:07 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 07, 2012, 06:42:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 06:04:03 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 07, 2012, 06:03:05 PM
please don't search my butt.
It won't actually do the search, but it WILL make your butt stop working while everyone's trying to use it.
I need my butt working :(
Nonsense. That's why we have colostomy bags.
Which, it turns out, are microwave safe. I bet you didn't know that.
Now, I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear: Everyone who posted in this thread - myself included - was being a DUMBFUCK. I think we should all STOP being Dumbfucks now, and I'd also like to suggest that everyone let go of that big case of the ass that we've been carrying around since page 1.
Try it. Just let it go and walk away. If you don't like it, you can always go back and pick it up later.
Awww, even the non-sequitor ponies were dumbfuckery?
Yes
Damn
(http://cdn.head-fi.org/b/b2/284x267px-LL-b27c0384_IisSadPony_6142.jpeg)
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 07, 2012, 07:47:44 PM
Damn
(http://cdn.head-fi.org/b/b2/284x267px-LL-b27c0384_IisSadPony_6142.jpeg)
:batman:
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 07, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
Nobody in this thread was "defending" BH, you should probably read the thread more thoroughly before you accuse somebody of something like that. I do think a couple of people, and I'll be a third, were making a point that was essentially, "If BH annoys you/pisses you off/creeps you out, just ignore the fucker"
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 08:40:14 PM
Nav, I love ya....but you're so far off-base with this that I can't even come up with a cogent reply other than to just say "uhh, no."
Wrong about the case itself or wrong in theory? Because the way it was described gave me the impression that he implied he was doing these things or seeking them or whatever and that, to me is a very fucking dangerous thing to ignore. I tried to express that as clearly as possible without using ridiculous rhetoric or excessively emotional speech.
Two things:
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
I think it's completely possible to fantasize about something which you know in the back of your mind would actually make you quite ill if ever confronted with it in real life. I think the mechanism is much the same as emo teenagers fantasizing their own beautiful, bloodless suicides where their skin is unblemished, everyone cries over their perfect lifeless body and no one shits their pance.
2. If indeed this guy had admitted to actually doing or conspiring to do this type of thing, my post and the reasons I gave still stand. Just because I was misinformed, doesn't mean I don't make a valid point. Y'all are not a squeamish bunch. I don't feel silly or stupid for saying what I said at all in light of the fact that the strong reactions of disgust on here led me to believe he'd done something truly malevolent.
If someone ever does get on here and brag about raping women, I would say the same things.
You should probably read the thread more thoroughly, Rev.
That said, banning really does appear to be out of the question at this point and I seldom read two sentences of anything BH posts.
:hammer:
MC Hammer was a dope fiend too! And probably an anarchist.
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 07, 2012, 08:52:31 PM
MC Hammer was a dope fiend too! And probably an anarchist.
No, he was fueled by the power of LOVE.
INRE: DIS FREAD
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 27, 2011, 08:02:41 PM
39. "Getting a friend's attention" by shitting on them gets you the attention, but not the friend.
EVERYBODY STOP POOPING NOW, PLS.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 07, 2012, 08:52:31 PM
MC Hammer was a dope fiend too! And probably an anarchist.
No, he was fueled by the power of LOVE.
Judging by the size of his pance, he had a LOT of power.
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 07, 2012, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 07, 2012, 08:52:31 PM
MC Hammer was a dope fiend too! And probably an anarchist.
No, he was fueled by the power of LOVE.
Judging by the size of his pance, he had a LOT of power.
Actually, that was a safety feature built in after the TF incident at the Roxbury. He was doing his dance when he farted, and the back of his pants blew out and killed 2 of the dancers on stage with him. The new pants were installed at the Norfolk shipyards in 1989, and have proven to be effective, though the sudden inflation of the pants has had an "airbag effect" on bystanders.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 09:11:55 PM
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 07, 2012, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 07, 2012, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 07, 2012, 08:52:31 PM
MC Hammer was a dope fiend too! And probably an anarchist.
No, he was fueled by the power of LOVE.
Judging by the size of his pance, he had a LOT of power.
Actually, that was a safety feature built in after the TF incident at the Roxbury. He was doing his dance when he farted, and the back of his pants blew out and killed 2 of the dancers on stage with him. The new pants were installed at the Norfolk shipyards in 1989, and have proven to be effective, though the sudden inflation of the pants has had an "airbag effect" on bystanders.
Someone needs to modify those into a diaper format. Pampers has nothing on my son.
*looks at who's online*
You know, there's never a battle without vultures circling overhead.
Why are you creeping?
ETA: To avoid any chance of misunderstanding and more fighting, I am refering to Khara.
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 07, 2012, 08:52:31 PM
MC Hammer was a dope fiend too! And probably an anarchist.
FUCK YOU I HAD REPRESSED ALL MEMORY OF THIS AND YOU WENT AND REMINDED ME.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8WYh8uz3pQ
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on May 08, 2012, 03:58:06 AM
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 07, 2012, 08:52:31 PM
MC Hammer was a dope fiend too! And probably an anarchist.
FUCK YOU I HAD REPRESSED ALL MEMORY OF THIS AND YOU WENT AND REMINDED ME.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8WYh8uz3pQ
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
OH MAN I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!
HATE. YOU. ALL. :madbanana:
Quote from: Phox, Mistress of Many Names on May 08, 2012, 04:06:49 AM
HATE. YOU. ALL. :madbanana:
It could get worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfx9YniP8E8
I suspect there is a reason this season was never aired in the States.
ALSO TERRIBLE ENGLISH VOICE ACTING!!!!!!!!!!! :lulz:
DAMNIT NOW I WANT TO WATCH IT :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 07, 2012, 08:44:34 PM
Quote from: Reverend What's-His-Name? on May 07, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
Nobody in this thread was "defending" BH, you should probably read the thread more thoroughly before you accuse somebody of something like that. I do think a couple of people, and I'll be a third, were making a point that was essentially, "If BH annoys you/pisses you off/creeps you out, just ignore the fucker"
Quote from: navkat on May 05, 2012, 04:29:10 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on May 04, 2012, 08:40:14 PM
Nav, I love ya....but you're so far off-base with this that I can't even come up with a cogent reply other than to just say "uhh, no."
Wrong about the case itself or wrong in theory? Because the way it was described gave me the impression that he implied he was doing these things or seeking them or whatever and that, to me is a very fucking dangerous thing to ignore. I tried to express that as clearly as possible without using ridiculous rhetoric or excessively emotional speech.
Two things:
1. If all this guy did was talk about what he'd like to do, I don't understand getting this upset about it at all. Does it make him a bit of a sleaze? Sure, maybe, whatever. It also could just make him stupid or naive. There are plenty young men who join the military because they wanted to "blow shit up." The first time "blow shit up" means "people are gonna die, asshole" they seriously rethink their attitudes. There are people who think they'd like to (or could) do certain things and when they get there, realize they really don't have the heart to actually do them. I know people who work in labs who have to destroy lab animals at the conclusion of a test. Many of them go into with a nonchalant attitude and realize after the first one that they really detest snipping an animal's head off with a pair of shears.
I think it's completely possible to fantasize about something which you know in the back of your mind would actually make you quite ill if ever confronted with it in real life. I think the mechanism is much the same as emo teenagers fantasizing their own beautiful, bloodless suicides where their skin is unblemished, everyone cries over their perfect lifeless body and no one shits their pance.
2. If indeed this guy had admitted to actually doing or conspiring to do this type of thing, my post and the reasons I gave still stand. Just because I was misinformed, doesn't mean I don't make a valid point. Y'all are not a squeamish bunch. I don't feel silly or stupid for saying what I said at all in light of the fact that the strong reactions of disgust on here led me to believe he'd done something truly malevolent.
If someone ever does get on here and brag about raping women, I would say the same things.
You should probably read the thread more thoroughly, Rev.
That said, banning really does appear to be out of the question at this point and I seldom read two sentences of anything BH posts.
That doesn't look much like "walking away from the thread".
But since we're gonna keep going, what navkat posted also didn't look anything like "defending BH".
On the more important subject of M.C Hammer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk1YtbkZTqc
I found a fantastic DVD years ago for about £2 - Too Legit: The M.C. Hammer Story.
This charming ditty features towards the end of his career/the film, well lets just say the acting when he justified this to his wife and children was something for the ages.
If you can find a copy, it's worth a couple of hours of your life. Seriously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggYnKKyG6hY
This is the new topic of this thread.
This was inevitable.
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on May 08, 2012, 04:35:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggYnKKyG6hY
This is the new topic of this thread.
Consumer cartoons, or 80s rap, or both? :lulz: