Yet another healthcare topic

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

If its compulsory, if the individual doesn't have a direct say...

Well, yeah.  You live in a representational republic, not a direct democracy.

Taxes are constitutional.  If you aren't wild about that, then start a drive to amend the constitution.

I'm not arguing that its not legal... only that its a form of slavery, even if its Constitutionally authorized slavery

[Elder Iptuous]

If its compulsory, if the individual doesn't have a direct say...

Well, yeah.  You live in a representational republic, not a direct democracy.

Taxes are constitutional.  If you aren't wild about that, then start a drive to amend the constitution.

i guess...
depends on who you ask, doesn't it?
has general welfare ever been fully defined?
seriously. when this shit finally keels over and we have to do it all over again, i hope we have some engineering/software type peoples to keep in check the romantic/poetic vagaries that are some of the big bugaboos in our current constitution...

[Cain]

If its compulsory, if the individual doesn't have a direct say...

Well, yeah.  You live in a representational republic, not a direct democracy.

Taxes are constitutional.  If you aren't wild about that, then start a drive to amend the constitution.

I'm not arguing that its not legal... only that its a form of slavery, even if its Constitutionally authorized slavery

Hyperbolic nonsense.

[Doktor Howl]

If its compulsory, if the individual doesn't have a direct say...

Well, yeah.  You live in a representational republic, not a direct democracy.

Taxes are constitutional.  If you aren't wild about that, then start a drive to amend the constitution.

I'm not arguing that its not legal... only that its a form of slavery, even if its Constitutionally authorized slavery

Okay, yeah, I can see that.  You're not free to chose your job, where you live, whether or not you can have kids, whether or not you can leave the situation, or anything.  Right?

It's just like slavery.  No, really.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

If its compulsory, if the individual doesn't have a direct say...

Well, yeah.  You live in a representational republic, not a direct democracy.

Taxes are constitutional.  If you aren't wild about that, then start a drive to amend the constitution.

I'm not arguing that its not legal... only that its a form of slavery, even if its Constitutionally authorized slavery

Hyperbolic nonsense.

If one person forces another person to work, or takes the output of that work without permission, or consent based solely upon force... that is slavery. It doesn't matter if its one person over one person or 535 persons over millions of people.

If its compulsory, if the individual doesn't have a direct say...

Well, yeah.  You live in a representational republic, not a direct democracy.

Taxes are constitutional.  If you aren't wild about that, then start a drive to amend the constitution.

I'm not arguing that its not legal... only that its a form of slavery, even if its Constitutionally authorized slavery

Okay, yeah, I can see that.  You're not free to chose your job, where you live, whether or not you can have kids, whether or not you can leave the situation, or anything.  Right?

It's just like slavery.  No, really.

Liberal slavery is still slavery Dok.

[Doktor Howl]

If one person forces another person to work, or takes the output of that work without permission, or consent based solely upon force... that is slavery.

Who is forcing you to work?

Liberal slavery is still slavery Dok.

Balls.  Are you claiming that you are forced to stay within the boundaries of the US system?  You are, for example, not permitted to emmigrate elsewhere?

Because we all knew the slaves in America were allowed to get up and leave the Southern states, or vote for a different system.

Right?

[Doktor Howl]

If its compulsory, if the individual doesn't have a direct say...

Well, yeah.  You live in a representational republic, not a direct democracy.

Taxes are constitutional.  If you aren't wild about that, then start a drive to amend the constitution.

I'm not arguing that its not legal... only that its a form of slavery, even if its Constitutionally authorized slavery

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Naw.  My company has a policy I don't like.  ZOMG SLAVERY.

[Cain]

Paying taxes is slavery in the same way bankers are the Jews for Obama's ovens.

[Doktor Howl]

Paying taxes is slavery in the same way bankers are the Jews for Obama's ovens.

By the standard set by the libertarian element, everyone in the world is a slave, except for people living in Somalia or parts of Liberia.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

And now who's playing with hyperbole? Jews in ovens... really?

[Doktor Howl]

And now who's playing with hyperbole? Jews in ovens... really?

Cain was, I believe, paraphrasing your pals in the teabag movement.

The fact remains:  if you can leave the situation, it isn't slavery.

[Fredfredly ⊂(◉‿◉)つ]

I LIKE TAXES AND I LIKE SOCIALISM AND I LIKE HEALTH CARE. RAH!

[Doktor Howl]

I LIKE TAXES AND I LIKE SOCIALISM AND I LIKE HEALTH CARE. RAH!

I grew up in Canada, and I was pretty fond of the health care system there.

[Cain]

Yeah, I was saying it was pretty much the same kind of hyperbole.

Because....well, it is.  I mean, if you want to redefine freedom as the privilege of not contributing to the social good, then knock yourself out.  I'll be over here, laughing.

[East Coast Hustle]

If its compulsory, if the individual doesn't have a direct say...

Well, yeah.  You live in a representational republic, not a direct democracy.

Taxes are constitutional.  If you aren't wild about that, then start a drive to amend the constitution.

I'm not arguing that its not legal... only that its a form of slavery, even if its Constitutionally authorized slavery