A discordian take on this please...

[Doktor Howl]

Also note that jet fuel burns HOT.

Yep.  So does carpeting and paper, etc, when you have a howling wind going through the fire.

None of these things are hot enough to melt steel, but they didn't have to melt the steel.

But there's no point bringing up facts.  This is about belief, and about taking the idea of questioning authority to ridiculous ends, and then digging your heels in when those questions are themselves questioned.  Then there's a lot of screeching and humorless fanaticism, until one day you realize that none of your friends want to be around you anymore, because fanatics are boring.

So you wander from place to place, board to board, complaining about "deja vous" when your beliefs are once again pointed out to be ridiculous.  This is a sign that everyone around you are sleeping sheep, and the only solution is to screech louder.

Rinse and repeat until you are bitter and alone.

[LyingTruth]

Also, firemen never abandon a building, which is why the firefighters being pulled out of building 7 is proof that Dick Cheney was flying the 757s by remote control.

at the risk of eternal ridicule, even I have to admit that Im unclear on why that building fell.  if it was fire, shouldn't it have only gutted it?

fuck it, don't answer that.  I hate these discussions.

Thanks for the oppurtunity . I'd infact like to answer this.
Never in history pryor to 911 has a single highrise collapsed due to fire. Check it yourself.

It simply doesn't happen folks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79E_oWEeYaI&feature=related

[Doktor Howl]

Also, firemen never abandon a building, which is why the firefighters being pulled out of building 7 is proof that Dick Cheney was flying the 757s by remote control.

at the risk of eternal ridicule, even I have to admit that Im unclear on why that building fell.  if it was fire, shouldn't it have only gutted it?

fuck it, don't answer that.  I hate these discussions.

Thanks for the oppurtunity . I'd infact like to answer this.
Never in history pryor to 911 has a single highrise collapsed due to fire. Check it yourself.

It simply doesn't happen folks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79E_oWEeYaI&feature=related

How many of those high rises were doused in jet fuel and missing a quarter of their windows?

You DO know why windows in high rises don't open, right?  I fully expect an expert such as yourself to have a firm grasp on this sort of thing.

[Jasper]

A quick googling has informed me that jet fuel burns well warm enough to anneal steel.

[Cramulus]

I have visual proof of what really brought down the tower...

[Doktor Howl]

A quick googling has informed me that jet fuel burns well warm enough to anneal steel.

Yes, but that's not the point.  No fire has ever collapsed a high rise.  Never mind that no high rise fire has ever been started with a fuel load of fuel from a 757, and no high rise fire has involved the torque generated by having 25% of the windows missing.

Never mind any of that, "folks", and just shut the fuck up and listen to what Mr Jones has to tell you.  It's important shit, far more important than any social life you may have enjoyed prior to learning the horrible secret about Dick Cheney and the Mossad.

So get out there and screech.  If your friends and family - or total strangers, for that matter - won't listen, it's because you're not screeching loud enough.

[LyingTruth]

Also, firemen never abandon a building, which is why the firefighters being pulled out of building 7 is proof that Dick Cheney was flying the 757s by remote control.

at the risk of eternal ridicule, even I have to admit that Im unclear on why that building fell.  if it was fire, shouldn't it have only gutted it?

fuck it, don't answer that.  I hate these discussions.

Big chunks of burning shit falling on a building have no influence on that building's structural integrity.

This is a fact.

That shit has a lot of influence on a buildding's structural integrity. Not enough influence to make it collapse into it's own footprint though...

[LyingTruth]

Also, firemen never abandon a building, which is why the firefighters being pulled out of building 7 is proof that Dick Cheney was flying the 757s by remote control.

at the risk of eternal ridicule, even I have to admit that Im unclear on why that building fell.  if it was fire, shouldn't it have only gutted it?

fuck it, don't answer that.  I hate these discussions.

Big chunks of burning shit falling on a building have no influence on that building's structural integrity.

This is a fact.

(going to probably regret even replying to this)

I could see part of it collapsing ala Oklahoma City Building.  hell, that was a fucking bomb and it didn't even completely fall down.

god this conversation is so 2002.  Im really doing my best to pretend Im not having it.

I guess, you're on the right track there...or the left 

[Doktor Howl]

Also, firemen never abandon a building, which is why the firefighters being pulled out of building 7 is proof that Dick Cheney was flying the 757s by remote control.

at the risk of eternal ridicule, even I have to admit that Im unclear on why that building fell.  if it was fire, shouldn't it have only gutted it?

fuck it, don't answer that.  I hate these discussions.

Big chunks of burning shit falling on a building have no influence on that building's structural integrity.

This is a fact.

That shit has a lot of influence on a buildding's structural integrity. Not enough influence to make it collapse into it's own footprint though...

So does having the entire foundation of the building crack like an eggshell, because the ground underneath it has collapsed due to much larger buildings falling over next door (the entire complex had basements, after all, several floors deep).

But that must be irrelevant.  We all know that implosion charges always fire in the right order in the middle of a raging fire, right?

At least the sooper-secret kind used by the government and the Mossad.

[Doktor Howl]

Also, firemen never abandon a building, which is why the firefighters being pulled out of building 7 is proof that Dick Cheney was flying the 757s by remote control.

at the risk of eternal ridicule, even I have to admit that Im unclear on why that building fell.  if it was fire, shouldn't it have only gutted it?

fuck it, don't answer that.  I hate these discussions.

Big chunks of burning shit falling on a building have no influence on that building's structural integrity.

This is a fact.

(going to probably regret even replying to this)

I could see part of it collapsing ala Oklahoma City Building.  hell, that was a fucking bomb and it didn't even completely fall down.

god this conversation is so 2002.  Im really doing my best to pretend Im not having it.

I guess, you're on the right track there...or the left 

What does being on the left or right have to do with crackpot "theories"?

[LyingTruth]

Also, firemen never abandon a building, which is why the firefighters being pulled out of building 7 is proof that Dick Cheney was flying the 757s by remote control.

at the risk of eternal ridicule, even I have to admit that Im unclear on why that building fell.  if it was fire, shouldn't it have only gutted it?

fuck it, don't answer that.  I hate these discussions.

Big chunks of burning shit falling on a building have no influence on that building's structural integrity.

This is a fact.

(going to probably regret even replying to this)

I could see part of it collapsing ala Oklahoma City Building.  hell, that was a fucking bomb and it didn't even completely fall down.

god this conversation is so 2002.  Im really doing my best to pretend Im not having it.

Most of the OKC bomb didn't detonate.  Also, the foundation of 7 was damaged by the events around it, from one end to the other, as far as I can tell from what reports have been made.

I'm just curious as to how they'd get the NYFD to play ball, given that so many of them wound up getting killed...and nobody talked.

What??? Of course they didn't make them play ball.
That's such a cynical remark right there. And you're suggesting I should try to be nice  

[LyingTruth]

Um, let's see...The government put bombs in the building, then shot a missle out of a jumbo jet, then crashed the jumbo jets into the WTC, because you know, the burning jet fuel would totally not set off the demo charges in the wrong order, and the government has secret laws of physics that let them implode the buildings from the top down, instead of the bottom up, and we all know that you need to totally melt steel (rather than just anneal it) to make it fail.

Did I miss anything?  

You'll believe your world is real, and I'll believe that mine is real.
Fair deal?

Yes, provided I can still point and laugh at "your world".

Hint:  You live in the real world, and it won't change to meet your biases, no matter how much you believe otherwise.

But be my guest, keep believing in a fantasy world.  

You don't really like me, do you?

[Doktor Howl]

Also, firemen never abandon a building, which is why the firefighters being pulled out of building 7 is proof that Dick Cheney was flying the 757s by remote control.

at the risk of eternal ridicule, even I have to admit that Im unclear on why that building fell.  if it was fire, shouldn't it have only gutted it?

fuck it, don't answer that.  I hate these discussions.

Big chunks of burning shit falling on a building have no influence on that building's structural integrity.

This is a fact.

(going to probably regret even replying to this)

I could see part of it collapsing ala Oklahoma City Building.  hell, that was a fucking bomb and it didn't even completely fall down.

god this conversation is so 2002.  Im really doing my best to pretend Im not having it.

Most of the OKC bomb didn't detonate.  Also, the foundation of 7 was damaged by the events around it, from one end to the other, as far as I can tell from what reports have been made.

I'm just curious as to how they'd get the NYFD to play ball, given that so many of them wound up getting killed...and nobody talked.

What??? Of course they didn't make them play ball.
That's such a cynical remark right there. And you're suggesting I should try to be nice  

I am the Leo Buscalia of cynicism.

[Doktor Howl]

Um, let's see...The government put bombs in the building, then shot a missle out of a jumbo jet, then crashed the jumbo jets into the WTC, because you know, the burning jet fuel would totally not set off the demo charges in the wrong order, and the government has secret laws of physics that let them implode the buildings from the top down, instead of the bottom up, and we all know that you need to totally melt steel (rather than just anneal it) to make it fail.

Did I miss anything?  

You'll believe your world is real, and I'll believe that mine is real.
Fair deal?

Yes, provided I can still point and laugh at "your world".

Hint:  You live in the real world, and it won't change to meet your biases, no matter how much you believe otherwise.

But be my guest, keep believing in a fantasy world.  

You don't really like me, do you?

I don't know you.  If I didn't like you, I wouldn't bother trying to tell you what I told you at the top of this page.

I have no feelings one way or the other.  I just hate to see someone waste their efforts on bullshit.

[LyingTruth]

I love how he pretty much called me a comatose sheep for needing actual evidence.

More of that, please.

Arhh, come on? Tsk tsk...