Poll
Question:
What do you want to be done?
Option 1: Keep it as-is and let it continue.
votes: 8
Option 2: Split it all off and merge it into one thread.
votes: 11
Option 3: Don't care.
votes: 18
Option 4: Other (fill in the blank)
votes: 9
Up to you guys. People have started to complain about it, so voice your opinions on the matter here.
EDIT: Extending the original statement after talking to more posters about this.
From what I have seen amongst the other mods and the admins, this is kind of regarded as everybody's board. This is why we generally have a hands-off approach when it comes to deleting posts and banning people. If something on the boards is pissing you off, you should say something about it.
I don't just mean everyone who has been privately bitching about Nigel's rampant on-again-off-again shit-stirring either.
If you think I or any other poster is fucking the board up, say something. You're not going to get banned and you might catch shit from the posters you're complaining about but that shouldn't stop you from voicing your opinion, especially if it's a well-reasoned one.
That said, it's been fun but I'll be ignoring Nigel's crazy ass for the time being. I've gotten a lot of PMs here and in chats saying that I shouldn't indulge her in her drama-hungry antics so that's just what I'm going to do. If she wants to continue fucking up everybody's posts, that's on her.
I apologize if I have pissed off anyone who isn't Nigel.
Other - shut the fuck up. Failing that, single thread merge.
My suggestion is, knock it off. You're the one who decided to drag it all over the board.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 09:21:05 PM
My suggestion is, knock it off.
Feel free, at least until you feel like you want to start shit again a couple weeks later.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 21, 2010, 09:22:46 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 09:21:05 PM
My suggestion is, knock it off.
Feel free, at least until you feel like you want to start shit again a couple weeks later.
At which point, no doubt you will again drag it into every possible thread and bump all of the old ones.
Because I do think you're a worthless piece of shit and at some point I probably won't be able to resist pointing it out again.
so... you think the drama should stop, but are quite willing to bring it up any time you feel like ? lol
I really don't care that much about splitting threads etc, but maybe just keeping it in this thread for this time around would be nice maybe
Quote from: Fredamir Putin on April 21, 2010, 09:25:48 PM
so... you think the drama should stop, but are quite willing to bring it up any time you feel like ? lol
No, I think that TTM is a crazy piece of shit, I hate him, and it's more than likely that at some point he'll be being his usual asinine self and I'll say something in one of his threads that he will use as an excuse to drag a slap-fight all over every thread he can think of.
Sort of like how people occasionally can't seem to help telling Enki he's a fucking retard, except, to his credit, Enki doesn't immediately BAWWW all over the forum about it.
Also, the sheer irony of TTM starting this thread is :lulz:
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: Fredamir Putin on April 21, 2010, 09:25:48 PM
so... you think the drama should stop, but are quite willing to bring it up any time you feel like ? lol
No, I think that TTM is a crazy piece of shit, I hate him, and it's more than likely that at some point he'll be being his usual asinine self and I'll say something in one of his threads that he will use as an excuse to drag a slap-fight all over every thread he can think of.
Sort of like how people occasionally can't seem to help telling Enki he's a fucking retard, except, to his credit, Enki doesn't immediately BAWWW all over the forum about it.
the same way you hated faust the one time, and some one else another week, and who ever you choose to hate next time?
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 09:40:35 PM
Also, the sheer irony of TTM starting this thread is :lulz:
Looks like irony is another word we can add to the list of words you don't understand.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 21, 2010, 09:22:46 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 09:21:05 PM
My suggestion is, knock it off.
Feel free, at least until you feel like you want to start shit again a couple weeks later.
At which point, no doubt you will again drag it into every possible thread and bump all of the old ones.
Because I do think you're a worthless piece of shit and at some point I probably won't be able to resist pointing it out again.
Glad to see you're knocking it off and that you're not being even remotely hypocritical.
Also, you're doing a spectacular job of ignoring me.
I say we let the boards decide. By this time tomorrow whatever has the most votes will happen (unless anyone has any serious and well-reasoned objections).
As for dragging it all over the boards, you're the one who is bringing this into the vast majority of completely unrelated threads.
From what I've gathered knocking it off is out of the question, so I say merge it all into one thread.
Personally I would suggest you both pack it the fuck in.
Also if you must keep this shit up spagging up other threads is not cricket. I would prefer to ignore it.
Quote from: Fredamir Putin on April 21, 2010, 09:41:53 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: Fredamir Putin on April 21, 2010, 09:25:48 PM
so... you think the drama should stop, but are quite willing to bring it up any time you feel like ? lol
No, I think that TTM is a crazy piece of shit, I hate him, and it's more than likely that at some point he'll be being his usual asinine self and I'll say something in one of his threads that he will use as an excuse to drag a slap-fight all over every thread he can think of.
Sort of like how people occasionally can't seem to help telling Enki he's a fucking retard, except, to his credit, Enki doesn't immediately BAWWW all over the forum about it.
the same way you hated faust the one time, and some one else another week, and who ever you choose to hate next time?
I'm not sure if I ever said I "hated" Faust, although I did get into it with him, and I no longer respect or trust him, nor will I renew my ads on the forum or support the forum financially in any way unless it benefits ECH. The only other person I actually hate, online or IRL, is Net, which is pretty well-documented. Well, I hate General Stuart, but that's not really on my own personal account as much as it is knowing he's a filthy, back-stabbing, shit-stirring crapweasel who takes advantage of other people's weaknesses.
Being angry or arguing with someone is one thing. Actually hating them, in a full-out loathing kind of way, is something else entirely, and it isn't transient. I'm not going to suddenly change my mind and be all buddy-buddy with TTM or with Net. There are people here I will go to the mat with, for instance Requia, and still like and respect afterward. I have been seriously pissed at 000, LMNO, and Cain, but I still like and respect them regardless of whether they like or respect me back.
Hate is a different animal, and it usually has something to do with, say, PM campaigns to try to "send me over the edge" (it's not paranoia when I've seen the PMs) or PM harassment or deciding that me making a snarky comment about alignment charts validates attacking my personal life across a multitude of threads. "Whore" seems to be the default insult of assholes like that, and I'm most likely, if such an asshat seems likely to wildly overreact and escalate things with minimal provokation, to occasionally provoke them. Wouldn't you?
Or do you think I should just say "OK, LOL"?
Maybe that would be more ladylike.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 21, 2010, 09:42:19 PM
Also, you're doing a spectacular job of ignoring me.
I didn't say I was ignoring you, Mr. Reading Comprehension Wizard, I said that I put you on ignore in PM, because I didn't care for your bullshit lies and abuse. And you overrode it. Multiple times.
Why is this thing stickied? :lulz:
Also, TTM, you overreact and drama-whore more spectacularly even than Net after someone says "Arial". The only base you haven't covered yet is accusing me of being a rapist.
:lulz:
Quote from: Idem on April 21, 2010, 10:05:36 PM
Why is this thing stickied? :lulz:
In case someone missed it.
Quote from: Idem on April 21, 2010, 10:05:36 PM
Why is this thing stickied? :lulz:
Because "Re: Ridiculous Drama-Whoring" :lulz:
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 10:03:13 PM
I'm not sure if I ever said I "hated" Faust, although I did get into it with him, and I no longer respect or trust him, nor will I renew my ads on the forum or support the forum financially in any way unless it benefits ECH.
your respect or trust doesn't mean anything to me but the adverts don't actually do anything but support the forum just for you info, I will always be spending more on this place then they bring in.
Quote from: Faust on April 21, 2010, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 10:03:13 PM
I'm not sure if I ever said I "hated" Faust, although I did get into it with him, and I no longer respect or trust him, nor will I renew my ads on the forum or support the forum financially in any way unless it benefits ECH.
your respect or trust doesn't mean anything to me but the adverts don't actually do anything but support the forum just for you info, I will always be spending more on this place then they bring in.
I know. :)
Quote from: Faust on April 21, 2010, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 10:03:13 PM
I'm not sure if I ever said I "hated" Faust, although I did get into it with him, and I no longer respect or trust him, nor will I renew my ads on the forum or support the forum financially in any way unless it benefits ECH.
your respect or trust doesn't mean anything to me but the adverts don't actually do anything but support the forum just for you info, I will always be spending more on this place then they bring in.
Nigel's opinion is very important, and above any ends or means you could possibly comprehend.
Quote from: Idem on April 21, 2010, 10:31:15 PM
Quote from: Faust on April 21, 2010, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 10:03:13 PM
I'm not sure if I ever said I "hated" Faust, although I did get into it with him, and I no longer respect or trust him, nor will I renew my ads on the forum or support the forum financially in any way unless it benefits ECH.
your respect or trust doesn't mean anything to me but the adverts don't actually do anything but support the forum just for you info, I will always be spending more on this place then they bring in.
Nigel's opinion is very important, and above any ends or means you could possibly comprehend.
Go fuck a chicken, Idem.
Liking or respecting Faust has to do with sending occasional donations and/or spending $10/month on ads. Which is why I won't do it anymore. It has to do with that fucking debacle when Dok was sick, and Faust knows why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsgbb23z27w
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 10:34:38 PM
Quote from: Idem on April 21, 2010, 10:31:15 PM
Quote from: Faust on April 21, 2010, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 10:03:13 PM
I'm not sure if I ever said I "hated" Faust, although I did get into it with him, and I no longer respect or trust him, nor will I renew my ads on the forum or support the forum financially in any way unless it benefits ECH.
your respect or trust doesn't mean anything to me but the adverts don't actually do anything but support the forum just for you info, I will always be spending more on this place then they bring in.
Nigel's opinion is very important, and above any ends or means you could possibly comprehend.
Go fuck a chicken, Idem.
Liking or respecting Faust has to do with sending occasional donations and/or spending $10/month on ads. Which is why I won't do it anymore.
Oh ok, here is me thinking you were doing it for the good of the community at large.
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It has to do with that fucking debacle when Dok was sick, and Faust knows why.
Your attacking the forum members was going on before and long after dok was sick. I've decided not to approach you on it and instead I'm just going to watch you alienate every person on the site. Thats all I have to say on this matter. Please continue with your routine.
I think I just lost Nigel's respect. :cry:
Quote from: Idem on April 21, 2010, 10:47:27 PM
I think I just lost Nigel's respect. :cry:
No such luck. Try harder.
Quote from: Faust on April 21, 2010, 10:42:06 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 10:34:38 PM
Quote from: Idem on April 21, 2010, 10:31:15 PM
Quote from: Faust on April 21, 2010, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 10:03:13 PM
I'm not sure if I ever said I "hated" Faust, although I did get into it with him, and I no longer respect or trust him, nor will I renew my ads on the forum or support the forum financially in any way unless it benefits ECH.
your respect or trust doesn't mean anything to me but the adverts don't actually do anything but support the forum just for you info, I will always be spending more on this place then they bring in.
Nigel's opinion is very important, and above any ends or means you could possibly comprehend.
Go fuck a chicken, Idem.
Liking or respecting Faust has to do with sending occasional donations and/or spending $10/month on ads. Which is why I won't do it anymore.
Oh ok, here is me thinking you were doing it for the good of the community at large.
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It has to do with that fucking debacle when Dok was sick, and Faust knows why.
Your attacking the forum members was going on before and long after dok was sick. I've decided not to approach you on it and instead I'm just going to watch you alienate every person on the site. Thats all I have to say on this matter. Please continue with your routine.
My deciding not to help lighten the load from your personal burden happened then, and you know why. If the board was in danger of going down I'd gladly pay for it to be transferred to someone else's server.
I've
always been confrontational and ready for a good
argument dogfight. After two years that should be a known quantity. But I won't bring someone's personal life into it unless someone else does first.
So where are we at? Has anyone called General Stuart yet? :lulz:
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 10:53:42 PM
So where are we at? Has anyone called General Stuart yet? :lulz:
Nigel, you need to stop acting like an asshole. That's where we're at. Don't take this as a personal attack because I'm not out to get you. Sometimes you can be pretty cool. This is not one of those times. Just take a step back, recognize you're acting like an asshole, and stop. Right now nobody is buying the justifications you're giving for your behavior.
Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is. If someone is on your shit, you have a scroll wheel.
PD has ALWAYS had drama. Always.
We've always also had fluff.
My only suggestion is that both be kept in Apple Talk. Feuds should not extend to other boards. If it stays in Apple Talk, then everyone should go get a hat, and damn near anything goes.
I don't want this turning into a Mol-style board, where we have some nebulous "respect" rule. Fuck that noise.
TTM and Nigel (in this case), can we agree to keep the fighting in AT?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 21, 2010, 11:21:59 PM
PD has ALWAYS had drama. Always.
We've always also had fluff.
My only suggestion is that both be kept in Apple Talk. Feuds should not extend to other boards. If it stays in Apple Talk, then everyone should go get a hat, and damn near anything goes.
I don't want this turning into a Mol-style board, where we have some nebulous "respect" rule. Fuck that noise.
TTM and Nigel (in this case), can we agree to keep the fighting in AT?
And more specifically in this thread.
Quote from: Faust on April 21, 2010, 11:25:06 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 21, 2010, 11:21:59 PM
PD has ALWAYS had drama. Always.
We've always also had fluff.
My only suggestion is that both be kept in Apple Talk. Feuds should not extend to other boards. If it stays in Apple Talk, then everyone should go get a hat, and damn near anything goes.
I don't want this turning into a Mol-style board, where we have some nebulous "respect" rule. Fuck that noise.
TTM and Nigel (in this case), can we agree to keep the fighting in AT?
And more specifically in this thread.
Meh. It's apple talk.
Also, I will PM you later about board support. Gotta run for now.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 21, 2010, 09:22:46 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 09:21:05 PM
My suggestion is, knock it off.
Feel free, at least until you feel like you want to start shit again a couple weeks later.
At which point, no doubt you will again drag it into every possible thread and bump all of the old ones.
Because I do think you're a worthless piece of shit and at some point I probably won't be able to resist pointing it out again.
I think this is at least 50% of the problem, if not more. If you are prefectly willing to stir it up without warning, how can you be one to complain? And he doesn't need me to stick up for him but I'm gonna say it anyway. TTM is a stand up guy in my book. You guys not getting along doesn't make him the worthless piece of shit you seem to think he is and you repeating that over and over is certainly not going to sway me nor anyone else.
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 21, 2010, 11:21:59 PM
PD has ALWAYS had drama. Always.
We've always also had fluff.
My only suggestion is that both be kept in Apple Talk. Feuds should not extend to other boards. If it stays in Apple Talk, then everyone should go get a hat, and damn near anything goes.
I don't want this turning into a Mol-style board, where we have some nebulous "respect" rule. Fuck that noise.
TTM and Nigel (in this case), can we agree to keep the fighting in AT?
Of course. The only possible reason I would ever take it into a content area is if I initially failed to notice that it was a content area, and if that happened I would delete it.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 21, 2010, 11:34:06 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 21, 2010, 09:22:46 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 09:21:05 PM
My suggestion is, knock it off.
Feel free, at least until you feel like you want to start shit again a couple weeks later.
At which point, no doubt you will again drag it into every possible thread and bump all of the old ones.
Because I do think you're a worthless piece of shit and at some point I probably won't be able to resist pointing it out again.
I think this is at least 50% of the problem, if not more. If you are prefectly willing to stir it up without warning, how can you be one to complain? And he doesn't need me to stick up for him but I'm gonna say it anyway. TTM is a stand up guy in my book. You guys not getting along doesn't make him the worthless piece of shit you seem to think he is and you repeating that over and over is certainly not going to sway me nor anyone else.
I'm not complaining about the fighting. I'm complaining about TTM being a fucktard. You can like him all you want, but that's not going to stop me from thinking he's a worthless piece of shit who does fuck-all but start threads of nothing but a single fucking link, and occasionally make an unclever comment.
Quote from: EoC on April 21, 2010, 11:08:42 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 21, 2010, 10:53:42 PM
So where are we at? Has anyone called General Stuart yet? :lulz:
Nigel, you need to stop acting like an asshole. That's where we're at. Don't take this as a personal attack because I'm not out to get you. Sometimes you can be pretty cool. This is not one of those times. Just take a step back, recognize you're acting like an asshole, and stop. Right now nobody is buying the justifications you're giving for your behavior.
I know I'm acting like an asshole. How is that a mystery? :?
None of the rest of you fucks actually need to be involved at all. And I mean "fucks" in the most affectionate of ways.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 12:11:11 AM
None of the rest of you fucks actually need to be involved at all. And I mean "fucks" in the most affectionate of ways.
You're right, take it to pm's you cant have your own section of a public discussion forum.
Quote from: Cain on April 21, 2010, 11:43:09 PM
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Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 12:24:50 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 12:11:11 AM
None of the rest of you fucks actually need to be involved at all. And I mean "fucks" in the most affectionate of ways.
You're right, take it to pm's you cant have your own section of a public discussion forum.
No, Mister Nanny State.
Because if he's going to make shitty allegations about my personal life, I want it to be done in public.
Note that I said "none of you fucks
need to be involved", not "none of you
are allowed to be involved." If you've involved yourself, it was because you wanted to.
:deadhorse: :fuckoff: :whack:
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 12:37:29 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 12:24:50 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 12:11:11 AM
None of the rest of you fucks actually need to be involved at all. And I mean "fucks" in the most affectionate of ways.
You're right, take it to pm's you cant have your own section of a public discussion forum.
No, Mister Nanny State.
Because if he's going to make shitty allegations about my personal life, I want it to be done in public.
Note that I said "none of you fucks need to be involved", not "none of you are allowed to be involved." If you've involved yourself, it was because you wanted to.
oh ok, So you are trying to drag as many people as you can into this, just making sure, as to you're nanny state comment, nothings stopping you, it was just advice, for your sake and everyone elses.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 01:08:24 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 12:37:29 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 12:24:50 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 12:11:11 AM
None of the rest of you fucks actually need to be involved at all. And I mean "fucks" in the most affectionate of ways.
You're right, take it to pm's you cant have your own section of a public discussion forum.
No, Mister Nanny State.
Because if he's going to make shitty allegations about my personal life, I want it to be done in public.
Note that I said "none of you fucks need to be involved", not "none of you are allowed to be involved." If you've involved yourself, it was because you wanted to.
oh ok, So you are trying to drag as many people as you can into this, just making sure, as to you're nanny state comment, nothings stopping you, it was just advice, for your sake and everyone elses.
:lulz: Yeah, because I'm the person who dragged it into several other threads, bumped an old thread, split a thread, and started TWO NEW threads in an attempt to get it spread to as many corners of the forum as possible.
Clearly.
Oh so it was TTM this time, with your track record record that comes as a bit of a surprise. Well if you didn't start it for once, then carry on.
My favorite is when mods split their own fucking Apple Talk bullshit threads... to keep the bullshit out. Why is that guy a mod, again? Because he was here once when some of the rest of you actually did something useful?
IMO the only people who should be mods are the ones who can keep their temper enough to NOT use mod access to split threads/PM people just because they're pissy.
Quote from: EoC on April 21, 2010, 09:20:41 PM
Other - shut the fuck up. Failing that, single thread merge.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:27:40 AM
My favorite is when mods split their own fucking Apple Talk bullshit threads... to keep the bullshit out. Why is that guy a mod, again? Because he was here once when some of the rest of you actually did something useful?
IMO the only people who should be mods are the ones who can keep their temper enough to NOT use mod access to split threads/PM people just because they're pissy.
He asked us all first.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 01:25:52 AM
Oh so it was TTM this time, with your track record record that comes as a bit of a surprise. Well if you didn't start it for once, then carry on.
Oh, I totally started this round. He just disseminated it like crablice through a homeless shelter.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 01:30:46 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:27:40 AM
My favorite is when mods split their own fucking Apple Talk bullshit threads... to keep the bullshit out. Why is that guy a mod, again? Because he was here once when some of the rest of you actually did something useful?
IMO the only people who should be mods are the ones who can keep their temper enough to NOT use mod access to split threads/PM people just because they're pissy.
He asked us all first.
Well, it's good that you
all agree that mods should split their bullshit Apple Talk threads (and then start two others) to keep the bullshit out of their bullshit. Especially when they then go start/bump/drag the argument into a bunch of other threads, because
that's integrity for ya.
:lol:
Also, fantastic that you
all agree that mods should be able to use mod access levels to bypass PM blocks just to be a dick when the user asks repeatedly that they stop PMing.
If you don't get my drift, it's that I don't believe you.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:34:27 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 01:30:46 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:27:40 AM
My favorite is when mods split their own fucking Apple Talk bullshit threads... to keep the bullshit out. Why is that guy a mod, again? Because he was here once when some of the rest of you actually did something useful?
IMO the only people who should be mods are the ones who can keep their temper enough to NOT use mod access to split threads/PM people just because they're pissy.
He asked us all first.
Well, it's good that you all agree that mods should split their bullshit Apple Talk threads (and then start two others) to keep the bullshit out of their bullshit. Especially when they then go start/bump/drag the argument into a bunch of other threads, because that's integrity for ya.
:lol:
Also, fantastic that you all agree that mods should be able to use mod access levels to bypass PM blocks just to be a dick when the user asks repeatedly that they stop PMing.
It wasn't split out from those threads, the suggestion was merge them. but its not that much different.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:34:27 AM
Also, fantastic that you all agree that mods should be able to use mod access levels to bypass PM blocks just to be a dick when the user asks repeatedly that they stop PMing.
It never made anyone aware there was a pm block. We only found out about that now. Its never been an issue before. I'm looking at possible solutions now.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:35:18 AM
If you don't get my drift, it's that I don't believe you.
I don't care, you can take it at face value or not. I have nothing to gain from lying to you.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 01:36:08 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:34:27 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 01:30:46 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:27:40 AM
My favorite is when mods split their own fucking Apple Talk bullshit threads... to keep the bullshit out. Why is that guy a mod, again? Because he was here once when some of the rest of you actually did something useful?
IMO the only people who should be mods are the ones who can keep their temper enough to NOT use mod access to split threads/PM people just because they're pissy.
He asked us all first.
Well, it's good that you all agree that mods should split their bullshit Apple Talk threads (and then start two others) to keep the bullshit out of their bullshit. Especially when they then go start/bump/drag the argument into a bunch of other threads, because that's integrity for ya.
:lol:
Also, fantastic that you all agree that mods should be able to use mod access levels to bypass PM blocks just to be a dick when the user asks repeatedly that they stop PMing.
It wasn't split out from those threads, the suggestion was merge them. but its not that much different.
What are you talking about? He split out this thread: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24902.0 from his really valuable yet-another-boring-link thread. He also named it something insulting like "Nigel's a desperate whore" but I forget what it was. I renamed it. I'm sure it's in the logs though.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:31:23 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 01:25:52 AM
Oh so it was TTM this time, with your track record record that comes as a bit of a surprise. Well if you didn't start it for once, then carry on.
Oh, I totally started it. He just disseminated it like crablice through a homeless shelter.
Dissemination: TTM/Nigel
Threads currently spagged up with this shit and how they got there:
Drama Vote (this thread) - Started by TTM
Pics III: The Afterbirth - spagged by Nigel
Unlimited Apocalyptic Romance - spagged up by Nigel
TTM is boring ITT - split from Apocalyptic romance by TTM
ATTN: Ten Ton Mantis - bumped by TTM
What makes you happy? - spagged up by Nigel
Repost appreciation thread - started by TTM
ATTN: TTM - renamed from Nigel's stupid love life, bumped by Nigel
Open Bar - referenced by other posters
Total threads spagged up - 9 (4 TTM, 4 Nigel, 1 Other)
Total threads started - 3 (TTM)
But it's okay because it's all in Apple Talk. So when people smear shit all over the walls of your bathroom it's cool, because your bathroom is made for shitting.
Edited for quotefail.
Between that and the bullshit PMs he's totally the poster child for using mod powers for personal tantrums.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:41:28 AM
Between that and the bullshit PMs he's totally the poster child for using mod powers for personal tantrums.
Oh it turns out he hasn't modded anything today. I thought this thread was split out of something.
The only thread split was that webcomic thread he posted. And that is where you started it as you admitted on the last page. Theres nothing wrong with someone splitting a fight out his own thread, that he didn't even start.
He hasn't abused his powers in any way.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 01:43:46 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:41:28 AM
Between that and the bullshit PMs he's totally the poster child for using mod powers for personal tantrums.
Oh it turns out he hasn't modded anything today. I thought this thread was split out of something.
The only thread split was that webcomic thread he posted. And that is where you started it as you admitted on the last page. Theres nothing wrong with someone splitting a fight out his own thread, that he didn't even start.
He hasn't abused his powers in any way.
I call bullshit. Especially the part where he consulted with the other mods before splitting his thread. Is that a service you usually offer for bullshit link threads in Apple Talk? How about the naming the split thread something insulting?
Extra especially the part where it's totally cool for him to PM a user he's pissed at after being asked to stop.
What is currently being discussed is merging all those little fights around the place into this thread.
Nothing has been acted upon.
I'm sorry that Mod status circumvents the ignore button. If he sends you any more PM's inform me but now that he knows I don't think he will.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:46:01 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 01:43:46 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:41:28 AM
Between that and the bullshit PMs he's totally the poster child for using mod powers for personal tantrums.
Oh it turns out he hasn't modded anything today. I thought this thread was split out of something.
The only thread split was that webcomic thread he posted. And that is where you started it as you admitted on the last page. Theres nothing wrong with someone splitting a fight out his own thread, that he didn't even start.
He hasn't abused his powers in any way.
I call bullshit.
On what?
You want me to back it up?
Read edit.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:49:31 AM
Read edit.
He split his own thread of the fight you started. He didn't have to ask us about that. Thats not mod abuse, renaming the split thread something insulting is but that field has to be filled as it is blank and as you said, you could edit it.
He then started multiple threads bitching about you (not mod abuse).
Today: He asked the mods if he should group all the drama in one thread.
It hasn't been acted on.
Also we only just found out that mod status bypasses the ignore feature. We were never aware of that nor could he have had any idea that you had him on ignore, we found that out about half an hour ago. Now he does know and he wont be pming you again.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 01:46:12 AM
What is currently being discussed is merging all those little fights around the place into this thread.
Nothing has been acted upon.
I'm sorry that Mod status circumvents the ignore button. If he sends you any more PM's inform me but now that he knows I don't think he will.
I have no problem with merging anything if someone really wants to spend the time merging all the petty bickering that ever happens in Apple Talk. Which sounds retarded to me, but whatever.
I do have a problem with him splitting his bullshit Apple Talk thread, not so much for splitting it but for naming the new thread whatever the hell it was. Like I said, I changed it, but I'm sure it's in the logs. I also have a problem with mods splitting their own threads because they're pissy.
And the PM thing is resolved, I forwarded them to a mod and an admin at the time it was happening. I asked them not to say anything to him because I would take care of it myself, I just wanted it documented.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 01:56:41 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:49:31 AM
Read edit.
He split his own thread of the fight you started. He didn't have to ask us about that. Thats not mod abuse, renaming the split thread something insulting is but that field has to be filled as it is blank and as you said, you could edit it.
He then started multiple threads bitching about you (not mod abuse).
Today: He asked the mods if he should group all the drama in one thread.
It hasn't been acted on.
Also we only found out that mod status bypasses the ignore feature. We were never aware of that nor could he have had any idea that you had him on ignore, we found that out about half an hour ago. Now he does know and he wont be pming you again.
I didn't say starting a bunch of threads was mod abuse. I was pointing that out in response to it being said that I was "spreading drama all over the place".
How could you guys not know that mod status bypasses the PM block feature? I knew that. He knew, because I told him, and it shouldn't have mattered after the first time I asked him to stop PMing me.
The fact that I could edit the thread title doesn't make that shit OK. The fucker shouldn't even be a mod; all he does (when he's even around) besides fuck with people, is post links.
I want to know why this is a sticky.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 22, 2010, 02:00:19 AM
I want to know why this is a sticky.
The original thread title was "Ridiculous Drama-Whoring". TTM wanted to make sure NOBODY missed it.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 22, 2010, 02:00:19 AM
I want to know why this is a sticky.
The Free Market demanded it.
Quote from: EoC on April 22, 2010, 01:40:41 AM
But it's okay because it's all in Apple Talk. So when people smear shit all over the walls of your bathroom it's cool, because your bathroom is made for shitting.
I smear shit all over peoples' bathrooms because I hate them, and it pleases my monkey nature.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:59:12 AM
How could you guys not know that mod status bypasses the PM block feature? I knew that. He knew, because I told him, and it shouldn't have mattered after the first time I asked him to stop PMing me.
No one has ever put a mod on pm block. He mightn't believe you what with the shit you come out with, and telling someone to stop pm'ing them is a grey area in my mind, especially if he didn't know that you couldn't block him
QuoteThe fucker shouldn't even be a mod; all he does (when he's even around) besides fuck with people, is post links.
The people who aren't in a huge bitchfest with him will be the judge of that.
Edit before you latch onto this line the people I am referring to is everyone but you.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:05:26 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:59:12 AM
How could you guys not know that mod status bypasses the PM block feature? I knew that. He knew, because I told him, and it shouldn't have mattered after the first time I asked him to stop PMing me.
No one has ever put a mod on pm block. He mightn't believe you what with the shit you come out with, and telling someone to stop pm'ing them is a grey area in my mind, especially if he didn't know that you couldn't block him
I already told you that I told him. So he knew. As for being a grey area... no. It's not. Continuing to PM someone after being asked to stop is harassment.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:09:27 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:05:26 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:59:12 AM
How could you guys not know that mod status bypasses the PM block feature? I knew that. He knew, because I told him, and it shouldn't have mattered after the first time I asked him to stop PMing me.
No one has ever put a mod on pm block. He mightn't believe you what with the shit you come out with, and telling someone to stop pm'ing them is a grey area in my mind, especially if he didn't know that you couldn't block him
I already told you that I told him. So he knew. As for being a grey area... no. It's not. Continuing to PM someone after being asked to stop is harassment.
as it would be if it happened on the forum but would that stop you?
So far, I haven't seen or heard of any mod abuse other than overriding the PM ignore feature, which was reported to me, but which I obviously could not see, and which has apparently stopped.
However, as a poster, TTM is being just as bad as Nigel, and he's taken things farther. "Slut" isn't acceptable. Neither is "desperate whore" Sorry. And "I could have done worse" is not a justification.
Again, I've known TTM from the beginning. He is a stand up guy. He's been a stand up mod. He hasn't been like Hugh who would literally alter people's posts. He hasn't banned anybody on a whim. He's been a good mod, as have all the other mods. And with this thread he was trying to gauge the public mood re: this latest drama blowup. Meanwhile, here is another instance of Nigel getting pissed off with someone and not letting it go, and making sure everyone everywhere knows how much she dislikes the person and piss on anyone who actually likes the person she dislikes. Go apeshit and then hammer down on the accelerator. It's fucking old. It's one of the reasons I'm not too terribly sad about not being able to be around as much anymore.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 02:16:42 AM
Again, I've known TTM from the beginning. He is a stand up guy. He's been a stand up mod. He hasn't been like Hugh who would literally alter people's posts.
Agreed. I have no complaints of his moderating at all. In fact, I have no complaints about him whatsoever. I was simply pointing out a fact.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 02:16:42 AM
Go apeshit and then hammer down on the accelerator. It's fucking old. It's one of the reasons I'm not too terribly sad about not being able to be around as much anymore.
I just blow past it when it gets old. Plus, it's not like I don't have a history of this shit myself. :lulz:
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on March 25, 2010, 02:09:32 AM
FOAD, vacuous cunt. 000 is one of the most level-headed and decent posters I've seen on here.
I spent a great deal of time barely tolerating you, but I no longer feel the need to.
I've never liked you and I think Net was right when he said you were a desperate whore.
I don't know what the fuck your deal is but the vast majority of your problems are because YOU make them for yourself.
I don't believe you're an irredeemable piece of shit, but if you want my advice (you probably don't but I'm going to give it anyways) you need to spend less time trying to start shit and making yourself look like a psycho hose beast (heh, I love that term) in the process and more time unfucking yourself.
If not for the boards, do it For The Children™ Nigel. Do it For The Children™.
P.S. I am concerned about your treatment of Timmy. Is he getting enough alfalfa?
I hadn't been paying much attention to the whole mess. The only criticism I have of TTM as a mod is making this thread a sticky, thus pushing the drama more in the faces of those of us who ere ignoring it.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:11:09 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:09:27 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:05:26 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 01:59:12 AM
How could you guys not know that mod status bypasses the PM block feature? I knew that. He knew, because I told him, and it shouldn't have mattered after the first time I asked him to stop PMing me.
No one has ever put a mod on pm block. He mightn't believe you what with the shit you come out with, and telling someone to stop pm'ing them is a grey area in my mind, especially if he didn't know that you couldn't block him
I already told you that I told him. So he knew. As for being a grey area... no. It's not. Continuing to PM someone after being asked to stop is harassment.
as it would be if it happened on the forum but would that stop you?
Legally, AFAIK, it would
not in fact be harassment, whereas it is when it occurs in private message or email. But that is a good question. If someone asked me to leave them alone, and then they themselves
actually left me alone, I think that most likely I would.
So... what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Or are we now moving into the field of hypothetical debate?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 02:16:06 AM
So far, I haven't seen or heard of any mod abuse other than overriding the PM ignore feature, which was reported to me, but which I obviously could not see, and which has apparently stopped.
However, as a poster, TTM is being just as bad as Nigel, and he's taken things farther. "Slut" isn't acceptable. Neither is "desperate whore" Sorry. And "I could have done worse" is not a justification.
They were really horrible things to say, he went all out on her and those are things that shouldn't be said to anyone. But they were part of their feud and didn't have anything to do with moderating. On the other hand, the random provocation by her in something as unrelated as a link thread shouldn't happen either.
I.. Ugh. I really didn't want to do this but it may be important in the future I am turning on the report PM feature.
From now on if you feel the need it is possible to forward the pm to the moderators Please do your best to sort out your own issues without calling in the mods.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 22, 2010, 02:22:37 AM
I hadn't been paying much attention to the whole mess. The only criticism I have of TTM as a mod is making this thread a sticky, thus pushing the drama more in the faces of those of us who ere ignoring it.
Well, that was the whole point. To get everyone's attention and ask them their opinion about how to handle the drama spill. Did you read the first post?
Here is the matter as it stands.
I dislike TTM. I think he's a piece of subhuman shit on the level of Wade, and I have a perfectly good reason to.
While I'm sure other people enjoy his links, he contributes absolutely nothing I value to the forum.
He also explodes into rather gratifying levels of hysteria with very little prodding.
I am honestly not sure I can resist the temptation.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 02:25:18 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 22, 2010, 02:22:37 AM
I hadn't been paying much attention to the whole mess. The only criticism I have of TTM as a mod is making this thread a sticky, thus pushing the drama more in the faces of those of us who ere ignoring it.
Well, that was the whole point. To get everyone's attention and ask them their opinion about how to handle the drama spill. Did you read the first post?
I did. It still looks like a silly thing to sticky.
What you do with the threads is irrelevant to me, provided he doesn't name them. :lol:
The problem is that if, one day a few weeks or months down the road, I get an itch on my ass and he yet again posts something dull and old, I might just have a hard time not saying something like "I hate alignment charts" because I'll know, in the back of my head, that the reaction will be like taking a frozen lolly away from a 4-year-old, except funnier because he's like 31 or something. Then there will be another drama-whoring stickied poll about what to do with all of the drama.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
Here is the matter as it stands.
I dislike TTM. I think he's a piece of subhuman shit on the level of Wade, and I have a perfectly good reason to.
While I'm sure other people enjoy his links, he contributes absolutely nothing I value to the forum.
He also explodes into rather gratifying levels of hysteria with very little prodding.
I am honestly not sure I can resist the temptation.
then don't go crying about harassment, and don't accuse people of mod abuse when they remove your shit from their threads.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
Here is the matter as it stands.
I dislike TTM. I think he's a piece of subhuman shit on the level of Wade, and I have a perfectly good reason to.
While I'm sure other people enjoy his links, he contributes absolutely nothing I value to the forum.
He also explodes into rather gratifying levels of hysteria with very little prodding.
I am honestly not sure I can resist the temptation.
Even Alanis Morissette would recognize the irony in that statement.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:29:50 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
Here is the matter as it stands.
I dislike TTM. I think he's a piece of subhuman shit on the level of Wade, and I have a perfectly good reason to.
While I'm sure other people enjoy his links, he contributes absolutely nothing I value to the forum.
He also explodes into rather gratifying levels of hysteria with very little prodding.
I am honestly not sure I can resist the temptation.
then don't go crying about harassment, and don't accuse people of mod abuse when they remove your shit from their threads.
I'm not crying about harassment; I handled that fine myself. I'm using it to illustrate why I think he's a piece of shit, and I will accuse him of mod abuse if he PMs me to harass me or pulls a stunt like what he renamed the split thread, because it is.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:34:35 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:29:50 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
Here is the matter as it stands.
I dislike TTM. I think he's a piece of subhuman shit on the level of Wade, and I have a perfectly good reason to.
While I'm sure other people enjoy his links, he contributes absolutely nothing I value to the forum.
He also explodes into rather gratifying levels of hysteria with very little prodding.
I am honestly not sure I can resist the temptation.
then don't go crying about harassment, and don't accuse people of mod abuse when they remove your shit from their threads.
I'm not crying about harassment; I handled that fine myself. I'm using it to illustrate why I think he's a piece of shit, and I will accuse him of mod abuse if he PMs me to harass me or pulls a stunt like what he renamed the split thread, because it is.
No it isn't. He doesn't have to ask you what he names the garbage he throws out of his own thread.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 02:31:40 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
Here is the matter as it stands.
I dislike TTM. I think he's a piece of subhuman shit on the level of Wade, and I have a perfectly good reason to.
While I'm sure other people enjoy his links, he contributes absolutely nothing I value to the forum.
He also explodes into rather gratifying levels of hysteria with very little prodding.
I am honestly not sure I can resist the temptation.
Even Alanis Morissette would recognize the irony in that statement.
That's not
irony, RWHN, that's
hypocrisy.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:35:29 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:34:35 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:29:50 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
Here is the matter as it stands.
I dislike TTM. I think he's a piece of subhuman shit on the level of Wade, and I have a perfectly good reason to.
While I'm sure other people enjoy his links, he contributes absolutely nothing I value to the forum.
He also explodes into rather gratifying levels of hysteria with very little prodding.
I am honestly not sure I can resist the temptation.
then don't go crying about harassment, and don't accuse people of mod abuse when they remove your shit from their threads.
I'm not crying about harassment; I handled that fine myself. I'm using it to illustrate why I think he's a piece of shit, and I will accuse him of mod abuse if he PMs me to harass me or pulls a stunt like what he renamed the split thread, because it is.
No it isn't. He doesn't have to ask you what he names the garbage he throws out of his own thread.
Oh, bullshit. If he wants to start a thread of his own posts and name it whatever he wants, that's one thing. When he puts on his mod hat he should act like a mod, not like an apopleptic Rush Limbaugh fan.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:35:31 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 02:31:40 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
Here is the matter as it stands.
I dislike TTM. I think he's a piece of subhuman shit on the level of Wade, and I have a perfectly good reason to.
While I'm sure other people enjoy his links, he contributes absolutely nothing I value to the forum.
He also explodes into rather gratifying levels of hysteria with very little prodding.
I am honestly not sure I can resist the temptation.
Even Alanis Morissette would recognize the irony in that statement.
That's not irony, RWHN, that's hypocrisy.
Well, yes, it is that too.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:37:07 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:35:29 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:34:35 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:29:50 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
Here is the matter as it stands.
I dislike TTM. I think he's a piece of subhuman shit on the level of Wade, and I have a perfectly good reason to.
While I'm sure other people enjoy his links, he contributes absolutely nothing I value to the forum.
He also explodes into rather gratifying levels of hysteria with very little prodding.
I am honestly not sure I can resist the temptation.
then don't go crying about harassment, and don't accuse people of mod abuse when they remove your shit from their threads.
I'm not crying about harassment; I handled that fine myself. I'm using it to illustrate why I think he's a piece of shit, and I will accuse him of mod abuse if he PMs me to harass me or pulls a stunt like what he renamed the split thread, because it is.
No it isn't. He doesn't have to ask you what he names the garbage he throws out of his own thread.
Oh, bullshit. If he wants to start a thread of his own posts and name it whatever he wants, that's one thing. When he puts on his mod hat he should act like a mod, not like an apopleptic Rush Limbaugh fan.
So if he had split one post before yours it would be completely ok for him to do whatever he wants with it because it would technically be his thread.
No.
Those posts came out of his own thread. Naming the misscarriage that came out of it is his right.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:39:51 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:37:07 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:35:29 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:34:35 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:29:50 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
Here is the matter as it stands.
I dislike TTM. I think he's a piece of subhuman shit on the level of Wade, and I have a perfectly good reason to.
While I'm sure other people enjoy his links, he contributes absolutely nothing I value to the forum.
He also explodes into rather gratifying levels of hysteria with very little prodding.
I am honestly not sure I can resist the temptation.
then don't go crying about harassment, and don't accuse people of mod abuse when they remove your shit from their threads.
I'm not crying about harassment; I handled that fine myself. I'm using it to illustrate why I think he's a piece of shit, and I will accuse him of mod abuse if he PMs me to harass me or pulls a stunt like what he renamed the split thread, because it is.
No it isn't. He doesn't have to ask you what he names the garbage he throws out of his own thread.
Oh, bullshit. If he wants to start a thread of his own posts and name it whatever he wants, that's one thing. When he puts on his mod hat he should act like a mod, not like an apopleptic Rush Limbaugh fan.
So if he had split one post before yours it would be completely ok for him to do whatever he wants with it because it would technically be his thread.
No.
Those posts came out of his own thread. Naming the misscarriage that came out of it is his right.
So... in your opinion, it's completely fine for mods to use a privilege level no one else has to exact revenge on someone who has pissed them off?
Still wrong. The thread can be renamed at any time by the person who posted it, a mod doesn't have to do that.
It would be HIS thread if his post started it. Just because you went BAWWWWW when you saw the mean thread title doesn't make it mod abuse.
I mean, like, it would be cool to change someone's username or personal text if you're pissed at them? Because they would be able to change it back, right?
Or change someone's thread title to make it say something derogatory about them? All that's cool, in a mod capacity?
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:42:31 AM
Still wrong. The thread can be renamed at any time by the person who posted it, a mod doesn't have to do that.
It would be HIS thread if his post started it. Just because you went BAWWWWW when you saw the mean thread title doesn't make it mod abuse.
I disagree. I think a mod should be acting as a mod when they are doing something only mods can do.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:44:57 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:42:31 AM
Still wrong. The thread can be renamed at any time by the person who posted it, a mod doesn't have to do that.
It would be HIS thread if his post started it. Just because you went BAWWWWW when you saw the mean thread title doesn't make it mod abuse.
I disagree. I think a mod should be acting as a mod when they are doing something only mods can do.
He did and he acted like a poster when he posted the new thread that was after all, his thread.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:44:20 AM
I mean, like, it would be cool to change someone's username or personal text if you're pissed at them? Because they would be able to change it back, right?
Or change someone's thread title to make it say something derogatory about them? All that's cool, in a mod capacity?
Not the same at all. You are assuming exclusive ownership of the posts you make in someone elses thread.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:24:30 AM
They were really horrible things to say, he went all out on her and those are things that shouldn't be said to anyone. But they were part of their feud and didn't have anything to do with moderating. On the other hand, the random provocation by her in something as unrelated as a link thread shouldn't happen either.
Sure. But get mad at the sun for rising. All this hollering about their drama has, of course, only increased the drama.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:47:21 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:44:57 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:42:31 AM
Still wrong. The thread can be renamed at any time by the person who posted it, a mod doesn't have to do that.
It would be HIS thread if his post started it. Just because you went BAWWWWW when you saw the mean thread title doesn't make it mod abuse.
I disagree. I think a mod should be acting as a mod when they are doing something only mods can do.
He did and he acted like a poster when he posted the new thread that was after all, his thread.
So you're saying that anyone can take their own thread, split someone else's posts out of it, and start a new thread with those posts, naming it anything they want?
Or are you just using fucked-up logic to defend an indefensible position?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 02:51:38 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:24:30 AM
They were really horrible things to say, he went all out on her and those are things that shouldn't be said to anyone. But they were part of their feud and didn't have anything to do with moderating. On the other hand, the random provocation by her in something as unrelated as a link thread shouldn't happen either.
Sure. But get mad at the sun for rising. All this hollering about their drama has, of course, only increased the drama.
I'm not increasing it.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:55:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 02:51:38 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:24:30 AM
They were really horrible things to say, he went all out on her and those are things that shouldn't be said to anyone. But they were part of their feud and didn't have anything to do with moderating. On the other hand, the random provocation by her in something as unrelated as a link thread shouldn't happen either.
Sure. But get mad at the sun for rising. All this hollering about their drama has, of course, only increased the drama.
I'm not increasing it.
Everyone who has taken a side in this has increased it. Do you deny taking a side, as a poster (not as a mod)?
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 22, 2010, 02:22:37 AM
I hadn't been paying much attention to the whole mess. The only criticism I have of TTM as a mod is making this thread a sticky, thus pushing the drama more in the faces of those of us who ere ignoring it.
Considering you're not the first to complain about it, I'm unstickying the thread. I think it has the attention of a sufficient amount of people affected by the problem and has gauged the mood of the forum. If it continues to be a hot topic it will stay towards the top, if not it will die and if we're all lucky this drama will die with it.
As far as the PMing goes, I assumed Nigel was full of shit and just trying to troll. In light of the fact that this is an actual feature of the forum (last time ignoring was discussed it was deemed not technically possible), I will never PM anyone who tells me I am on their ignore list unless there is a mod-related reason to do so.
That said, Nigel continued to PM me when I told her
1) That it was water under the bridge as far as I was concerned
2) To fuck off
3) To let it go
...and she continually PMed me with the obvious intent of continuing to cause trouble, but that's what she does: She's a bully and a drama whore (among other things).
I called her on it the first time she tried stirring shit with me and it shut her up for a while but then she tried again and I decided that I should play along. This is where it has led.
As far as renaming thread titles, the only renaming that was done was when I split Nigel's trolling out of a thread and left the first post in the thread as hers so that she could rename it (and she did) and did not leave any sort of insulting of inflammatory title.
Nigel has repeatedly shown that she's a shit-stirring bully and a drama-whore. I've repeatedly offered to resolve this publically and privately and Nigel is obviously more concerned with stirring more shit.
People have voted and they've said that
1) They don't care
2) They want it contained to a single thread
So, Nigel, if you're intent on dragging this hysteria out to its end I'm more than happy to engage you in a debate on how much of a crazy bitch you are and how you thrive on abusing other posters and causing drama by trolling your home forum, but I and everyone else here would appreciate it if you contained your bat-shit insane bitchfits to a single thread.
I don't think you can for any sustained period of time and I'm confident that if you do have a proper argument with me you will lose, badly.
Look at this whole thread. Most of it is you arguing with anyone who will listen. This alone is proof that all you really want is drama and you'll do pretty much anything to get it.
Any time I have asked you to show how I was a misogynist, a sociopath or any of the other ridiculous ad-hominem attacks you've feebly flung at me, you have completely failed to come up with any sort of actual answer.
The ball is in your court you fucking lunatic, just keep in mind that most of what you are probably going to say is just going to make you look like an even crazier bitch.
All that said, if you want to attempt to have an argument with me, we should restrict it to this thread. People are already sick of this shit. People are sick of your shit.
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Still wrong. The thread can be renamed at any time by the person who posted it, a mod doesn't have to do that.
It would be HIS thread if his post started it. Just because you went BAWWWWW when you saw the mean thread title doesn't make it mod abuse.
I disagree. I think a mod should be acting as a mod when they are doing something only mods can do.
He did and he acted like a poster when he posted the new thread that was after all, his thread.
So you're saying that anyone can take their own thread, split someone else's posts out of it, and start a new thread with those posts, naming it anything they want?
Or are you just using fucked-up logic to defend an indefensible position?
No, you just cant follow what I'm saying.
The posts were already in his thread, which he could name whatever he liked. Just because he split from your first post doesn't mean its your thread.
If he had started one before the person who got the first post could call that thread whatever they wanted and you couldn't complain because they wouldn't be mods.
You are just butthurt that he threw your junk out and named it something mean. It no longer had any context or meaning and what he did with it is HIS RIGHT, it was HIS THREAD.
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They were really horrible things to say, he went all out on her and those are things that shouldn't be said to anyone. But they were part of their feud and didn't have anything to do with moderating. On the other hand, the random provocation by her in something as unrelated as a link thread shouldn't happen either.
Sure. But get mad at the sun for rising. All this hollering about their drama has, of course, only increased the drama.
I'm not increasing it.
Everyone who has taken a side in this has increased it. Do you deny taking a side, as a poster (not as a mod)?
I recognise what TTM did as wrong, and he agreed on it. I see them both as bad as each other for drama, but nigel is the one bringing technical issues into it.
It is only the technical issues I am discussing.
Again, for the record, it's not a federal fucking case, it's just one more thing on my "WTF is that douche a mod anyway?" checklist. I doubt any of the other mods or admins would let spite dictate the renaming of a split thread to that degree.
For that matter, I doubt anyone else (but Faust, obviously) would have split arguing out of a stupid link thread in Apple Talk.
For that matter, I shouldn't have renamed it, because it was more revealing of his own utter dickery to just leave it. Oh well.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
I don't think you can for any sustained period of time and I'm confident that if you do have a properly argument with my you will lose, badly.
What? Either I'm more spaced on these pills than I thought, or that sentence made no sense.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
All that said, if you want to attempt to have an argument with me, we should restrict it to this thread. People are already sick of this shit. People are sick of your shit.
I'm not sick of her shit.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 03:02:31 AM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
I don't think you can for any sustained period of time and I'm confident that if you do have a properly argument with my you will lose, badly.
What? Either I'm more spaced on these pills than I thought, or that sentence made no sense.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
All that said, if you want to attempt to have an argument with me, we should restrict it to this thread. People are already sick of this shit. People are sick of your shit.
I'm not sick of her shit.
1) I don't think she can contain her hysterical bitch-fits to a single thread.
2) You appear to be in the minority.
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
That said, Nigel continued to PM me when I told her
1) That it was water under the bridge as far as I was concerned
2) To fuck off
3) To let it go
...and she continually PMed me with the obvious intent of continuing to cause trouble
You are a lying sack of shit. Each and every PM I sent to you was telling you to stop fucking PMing me, and you were deliberately baiting me by PMing me back.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
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Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
I don't think you can for any sustained period of time and I'm confident that if you do have a properly argument with my you will lose, badly.
What? Either I'm more spaced on these pills than I thought, or that sentence made no sense.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
All that said, if you want to attempt to have an argument with me, we should restrict it to this thread. People are already sick of this shit. People are sick of your shit.
I'm not sick of her shit.
1) I don't think she can contain her hysterical bitch-fits to a single thread.
2) You appear to be in the minority.
1. She isn't actually required to. I'd appreciate it, personally, if it just stays in Apple Talk.
2. I'm comfortable with that. The only time Nigel hasn't had my back is when I was ill, before anyone knew I was ill. Can't blame her then, based on my behavior...*I* wouldn't have had my back. In fact, I didn't. I don't count that, obviously. So I guess I'll have her back even if I'm the only one doing it, or if everyone's doing it. I mean, after all, doing what you think is right isn't gauged by popularity, right?
It's not like I don't have copies of all of your PMs and mine in my outbox. That's why I replied to all of them... I wasn't sure whether a mod could delete PMs from my inbox, so I replied and then forwarded them.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:10:41 AM
It's not like I don't have copies of all of your PMs and mine in my outbox. That's why I replied to all of them... I wasn't sure whether a mod could delete PMs from my inbox, so I replied and then forwarded them.
The PM report button is now active, but please don't air your dirty laundry in public,
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 03:09:29 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
I'm just saying that IMO mods should have to be objective even, or especially, when they're modding their own threads. That, or have someone else do it for them.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:14:05 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 03:09:29 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
I'm just saying that IMO mods should have to be objective even, or especially, when they're modding their own threads. That, or have someone else do it for them.
I've split my own threads before, IIRC. Of course, I'll split anyone's thread, on request, as long as there's at least 2 posts in it.
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
I'm just saying that IMO mods should have to be objective even, or especially, when they're modding their own threads. That, or have someone else do it for them.
I've split my own threads before, IIRC. Of course, I'll split anyone's thread, on request, as long as there's at least 2 posts in it.
Dr Splitz McKenzie
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
I'm just saying that IMO mods should have to be objective even, or especially, when they're modding their own threads. That, or have someone else do it for them.
Like the time I did for TTM like two weeks and then accused me of mod abuse. I'm literally hooting at your inconsistency now.
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:14:05 AM
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
I'm just saying that IMO mods should have to be objective even, or especially, when they're modding their own threads. That, or have someone else do it for them.
I've split my own threads before, IIRC. Of course, I'll split anyone's thread, on request, as long as there's at least 2 posts in it.
Seems to me you stuck to the board convention of naming them "Fill-in-the-blank unlimited fail", which is infuriating when it happens to be me but certainly not unmodlike, which is all I'm talking about. So I don't have a problem with that. Annnnd we all know why/how that particular debacle escalated the way it did.
:horrormirth:
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
I'm just saying that IMO mods should have to be objective even, or especially, when they're modding their own threads. That, or have someone else do it for them.
Like the time I did for TTM like two weeks and then accused me of mod abuse. I'm literally hooting at your inconsistency now.
Yeah, and that time, you also named the fucking thread something that was obviously personally punitive, so it's not exactly a surprise that you don't think anything of it.
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
I'm just saying that IMO mods should have to be objective even, or especially, when they're modding their own threads. That, or have someone else do it for them.
Like the time I did for TTM like two weeks and then accused me of mod abuse. I'm literally hooting at your inconsistency now.
Yeah, and that time, you also named the fucking thread something that was obviously personally punitive, so it's not exactly a surprise that you don't think anything of it.
Oh thats what your complaint is about, you cant handle a spiteful comment when you dish them out so freely. The mods have to name threads Nice things™. Not nice thread names are FORBIDDEN.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:06:26 AM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
That said, Nigel continued to PM me when I told her
1) That it was water under the bridge as far as I was concerned
2) To fuck off
3) To let it go
...and she continually PMed me with the obvious intent of continuing to cause trouble
You are a lying sack of shit. Each and every PM I sent to you was telling you to stop fucking PMing me, and you were deliberately baiting me by PMing me back.
:boring:
Then how about we agree to publicly post all the PMs?
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:06:26 AM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
That said, Nigel continued to PM me when I told her
1) That it was water under the bridge as far as I was concerned
2) To fuck off
3) To let it go
...and she continually PMed me with the obvious intent of continuing to cause trouble
You are a lying sack of shit. Each and every PM I sent to you was telling you to stop fucking PMing me, and you were deliberately baiting me by PMing me back.
:boring:
Then how about we agree to publicly post all the PMs?
I think Faust already asked that you guys NOT do that.
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
I'm just saying that IMO mods should have to be objective even, or especially, when they're modding their own threads. That, or have someone else do it for them.
Like the time I did for TTM like two weeks and then accused me of mod abuse. I'm literally hooting at your inconsistency now.
Yeah, and that time, you also named the fucking thread something that was obviously personally punitive, so it's not exactly a surprise that you don't think anything of it.
Oh thats what your complaint is about, you cant handle a spiteful comment when you dish them out so freely. The mods have to name threads Nice things™. Not nice thread names are FORBIDDEN.
I was under the impression that we had a standard for that sort of thing.
UNLIMITED _________ FAIL THREAD, etc.
Oh yes, here:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24595.15
Originally re-titled by you "New Forum Rule: Don't post about any Hobbies that Nigel doesn't share"
Which, since I could, I renamed "Topic: ITT Faust abuses his admin powers"
Because you were being a dick. As I said:
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on March 24, 2010, 07:35:43 PM
It's pretty obvious from the original title that you modded me out of spite, because you don't like me personally, and I think that's pretty weak.
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Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
I don't think you can for any sustained period of time and I'm confident that if you do have a properly argument with my you will lose, badly.
What? Either I'm more spaced on these pills than I thought, or that sentence made no sense.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
All that said, if you want to attempt to have an argument with me, we should restrict it to this thread. People are already sick of this shit. People are sick of your shit.
I'm not sick of her shit.
1) I don't think she can contain her hysterical bitch-fits to a single thread.
2) You appear to be in the minority.
1. She isn't actually required to. I'd appreciate it, personally, if it just stays in Apple Talk.
2. I'm comfortable with that. The only time Nigel hasn't had my back is when I was ill, before anyone knew I was ill. Can't blame her then, based on my behavior...*I* wouldn't have had my back. In fact, I didn't. I don't count that, obviously. So I guess I'll have her back even if I'm the only one doing it, or if everyone's doing it. I mean, after all, doing what you think is right isn't gauged by popularity, right?
1) No, nobody is but everyone here has said they would also appreciate it. She's free to act like a crazy bitch if she wants to.
1a) I was also stating that if she engaged in a proper debate/argument with me, she would lose badly. I seem to have a bad habit of not revising anything before I actually post it.
2) Based on her behavior, I'm mildly surprised even you claim to have her back but things like Brittney Spears and Limp Bizkut shows that popularity can count for fuck-all.
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
I'm just saying that IMO mods should have to be objective even, or especially, when they're modding their own threads. That, or have someone else do it for them.
Like the time I did for TTM like two weeks and then accused me of mod abuse. I'm literally hooting at your inconsistency now.
Yeah, and that time, you also named the fucking thread something that was obviously personally punitive, so it's not exactly a surprise that you don't think anything of it.
Oh thats what your complaint is about, you cant handle a spiteful comment when you dish them out so freely. The mods have to name threads Nice things™. Not nice thread names are FORBIDDEN.
I was under the impression that we had a standard for that sort of thing.
UNLIMITED _________ FAIL THREAD, etc.
I've only ever split/renamed one thread. And I named it as a summary of what nigel was saying in the first post of the new thread.
But I can certainly do that from now on for simplicities sake.
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Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 03:09:29 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
I'm just saying that IMO mods should have to be objective even, or especially, when they're modding their own threads. That, or have someone else do it for them.
Like the time I did for TTM like two weeks and then accused me of mod abuse. I'm literally hooting at your inconsistency now.
Yeah, and that time, you also named the fucking thread something that was obviously personally punitive, so it's not exactly a surprise that you don't think anything of it.
Oh thats what your complaint is about, you cant handle a spiteful comment when you dish them out so freely. The mods have to name threads Nice things™. Not nice thread names are FORBIDDEN.
I can handle a spiteful comment when it's mano y mano, but I still think it's pretty fucking lame and below the standards here when mods rename split threads something that takes an obvious side by insulting whichever person they don't like.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 03:27:33 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:06:26 AM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
That said, Nigel continued to PM me when I told her
1) That it was water under the bridge as far as I was concerned
2) To fuck off
3) To let it go
...and she continually PMed me with the obvious intent of continuing to cause trouble
You are a lying sack of shit. Each and every PM I sent to you was telling you to stop fucking PMing me, and you were deliberately baiting me by PMing me back.
:boring:
Then how about we agree to publicly post all the PMs?
Go to town, son.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:30:18 AM
Oh yes, here:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24595.15
Originally re-titled by you "New Forum Rule: Don't post about any Hobbies that Nigel doesn't share"
Which, since I could, I renamed "Topic: ITT Faust abuses his admin powers"
Because you were being a dick. As I said: Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on March 24, 2010, 07:35:43 PM
It's pretty obvious from the original title that you modded me out of spite, because you don't like me personally, and I think that's pretty weak.
No it was reflecting what you said in that thread. And I don't care if you think its punitive or not, my mistake was splitting it, the thread title is up to the digression of the person who splits it, I am not completely objective nor will I ever be. I apologised for splitting it, Now you say a mod shouldn't mod their own thread, so I am going to assume you are talking horseshit at this stage.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 03:30:54 AM
1) No, nobody is but everyone here has said they would also appreciate it. She's free to act like a crazy bitch if she wants to.
1a) I was also stating that if she engaged in a proper debate/argument with me, she would lose badly.
I don't see that you've brought up any better points than she has. Why don't you give it a try?
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 03:30:54 AM
2) Based on her behavior, I'm mildly surprised even you claim to have her back but things like Brittney Spears and Limp Bizkut shows that popularity can count for fuck-all.
I don't
claim to have her back, I
do have her back. I think you're
both being spazzes (but again, it's not like I've never done that), it's just that there's a couple of things that happened a couple of years ago, and
one person involved in this mess who hasn't tossed me under the bus at one point or another in the past.
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:14:05 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 03:09:29 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
I'm just saying that IMO mods should have to be objective even, or especially, when they're modding their own threads. That, or have someone else do it for them.
Like the time I did for TTM like two weeks and then accused me of mod abuse. I'm literally hooting at your inconsistency now.
Yeah, and that time, you also named the fucking thread something that was obviously personally punitive, so it's not exactly a surprise that you don't think anything of it.
Oh thats what your complaint is about, you cant handle a spiteful comment when you dish them out so freely. The mods have to name threads Nice things™. Not nice thread names are FORBIDDEN.
I was under the impression that we had a standard for that sort of thing.
UNLIMITED _________ FAIL THREAD, etc.
I've only ever split/renamed one thread. And I named it as a summary of what nigel was saying in the first post of the new thread.
But I can certainly do that from now on for simplicities sake.
Probably for the best.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:33:38 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 03:26:10 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:22:45 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 03:21:23 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:14:05 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 03:09:29 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
And Faust, you are not getting what I am saying, which is that the second someone decides to take action as a moderator, they should follow through with that action as a moderator, including not letting spite dictate what they rename the split thread.
Yeah, if it wasn't his thread that would hold up, he would have to be objective and shit. Of course you are arguing in the defence of a title for bunch of posts where you attacked him, so its kind of hard to say that the name did not reflect the subject matter.
I'm just saying that IMO mods should have to be objective even, or especially, when they're modding their own threads. That, or have someone else do it for them.
Like the time I did for TTM like two weeks and then accused me of mod abuse. I'm literally hooting at your inconsistency now.
Yeah, and that time, you also named the fucking thread something that was obviously personally punitive, so it's not exactly a surprise that you don't think anything of it.
Oh thats what your complaint is about, you cant handle a spiteful comment when you dish them out so freely. The mods have to name threads Nice things™. Not nice thread names are FORBIDDEN.
I can handle a spiteful comment when it's mano y mano, but I still think it's pretty fucking lame and below the standards here when mods rename split threads something that takes an obvious side by insulting whichever person they don't like.
nah.
the having-my-back thing, after all the shit we've gone through, is a factor I cannot express deeply enough my appreciation for.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:39:05 AM
the having-my-back thing, after all the shit we've gone through, is a factor I cannot express deeply enough my appreciation for.
:)
Can't blame you for January/February. If it were me, I'd have done the same thing. I was a little bugshit. And, by a little, I mean "I accused Maria and my daughter of plotting to kill me".
We all go through crazy times, Nigel appears to be going through one right now.
Anyone have a number of the number of meltdowns Nigel has had in the last year?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 03:41:12 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:39:05 AM
the having-my-back thing, after all the shit we've gone through, is a factor I cannot express deeply enough my appreciation for.
:)
Can't blame you for January/February. If it were me, I'd have done the same thing. I was a little bugshit. And, by a little, I mean "I accused Maria and my daughter of plotting to kill me".
I still haven't talked to you about what we were discussing back then, I haven't been sure how to approach the subject.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 03:35:55 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:30:18 AM
Oh yes, here:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24595.15
Originally re-titled by you "New Forum Rule: Don't post about any Hobbies that Nigel doesn't share"
Which, since I could, I renamed "Topic: ITT Faust abuses his admin powers"
Because you were being a dick. As I said: Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on March 24, 2010, 07:35:43 PM
It's pretty obvious from the original title that you modded me out of spite, because you don't like me personally, and I think that's pretty weak.
No it was reflecting what you said in that thread. And I don't care if you think its punitive or not, my mistake was splitting it, the thread title is up to the digression of the person who splits it, I am not completely objective nor will I ever be. I apologised for splitting it, Now you say a mod shouldn't mod their own thread, so I am going to assume you are talking horseshit at this stage.
Listen. My thread title change was in response to your split thread title. It was a deliberate attempt to piss you off in return for what appeared to be your deliberate effort to piss me off. We both succeeded in pissing each other off. I accepted your apology for splitting it, no hard feelings on that front, all right?
No, I'm NOT saying that a mod shouldn't mod their own threads, I'm saying that a mod should
either be as objective as possible
or get someone who is to do it for them. I think that's pretty reasonable.
I'm ALSO saying that TTM is a shitty mod and I don't understand why he is one at all.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 03:41:12 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:39:05 AM
the having-my-back thing, after all the shit we've gone through, is a factor I cannot express deeply enough my appreciation for.
:)
Can't blame you for January/February. If it were me, I'd have done the same thing. I was a little bugshit. And, by a little, I mean "I accused Maria and my daughter of plotting to kill me".
you were probably quite saddened when you figured out they weren't
TTM is a good mod because of his track record and the things he does, he is also a funny and intelligent guy, just like nigel can be when she isn't acting like Elizabeth tailor from Who's afraid of virginia woolf.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 03:41:12 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:39:05 AM
the having-my-back thing, after all the shit we've gone through, is a factor I cannot express deeply enough my appreciation for.
:)
Can't blame you for January/February. If it were me, I'd have done the same thing. I was a little bugshit. And, by a little, I mean "I accused Maria and my daughter of plotting to kill me".
I started off angry (not to mention confused!) but got pretty fucking worried pretty damn fast. Wish I'd known better, sooner. But I'm glad Maria PMed me that night and I was able to bounce some thoughts off her... otherwise who knows if she would have forced you to go to the hospital in the morning? Shit, man. I am not trying to take credit for that, but by that point I was seriously convinced that there was something going badly wrong and I was wracking my brain for what could have caused it.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 03:42:21 AM
We all go through crazy times, Nigel appears to be going through one right now.
Anyone have a number of the number of meltdowns Nigel has had in the last year?
I'm not having a meltdown, silly goose. :) It's simply that poking your repulsive existence has the same gratifying effect as shooting a BB gun at a dandelion puff.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:44:50 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 03:35:55 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:30:18 AM
Oh yes, here:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24595.15
Originally re-titled by you "New Forum Rule: Don't post about any Hobbies that Nigel doesn't share"
Which, since I could, I renamed "Topic: ITT Faust abuses his admin powers"
Because you were being a dick. As I said: Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on March 24, 2010, 07:35:43 PM
It's pretty obvious from the original title that you modded me out of spite, because you don't like me personally, and I think that's pretty weak.
No it was reflecting what you said in that thread. And I don't care if you think its punitive or not, my mistake was splitting it, the thread title is up to the digression of the person who splits it, I am not completely objective nor will I ever be. I apologised for splitting it, Now you say a mod shouldn't mod their own thread, so I am going to assume you are talking horseshit at this stage.
Listen. My thread title change was in response to your split thread title. It was a deliberate attempt to piss you off in return for what appeared to be your deliberate effort to piss me off. We both succeeded in pissing each other off. I accepted your apology for splitting it, no hard feelings on that front, all right?
No, I'm NOT saying that a mod shouldn't mod their own threads, I'm saying that a mod should either be as objective as possible or get someone who is to do it for them. I think that's pretty reasonable.
I'm ALSO saying that TTM is a shitty mod and I don't understand why he is one at all.
It would appear that nobody really gives a shit about what you're saying and you're the first person to ever have any complaints about my modding. You have completely failed to show any case where I intentionally abused my abilities as a mod.
I guess you're just going to take a pass on the whole "proper argument" thing eh? I don't blame you, you're fucking terrible at it. All you can to is try desperately to cause as much drama as you can when you're in one of these moods.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 03:43:19 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 03:41:12 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:39:05 AM
the having-my-back thing, after all the shit we've gone through, is a factor I cannot express deeply enough my appreciation for.
:)
Can't blame you for January/February. If it were me, I'd have done the same thing. I was a little bugshit. And, by a little, I mean "I accused Maria and my daughter of plotting to kill me".
I still haven't talked to you about what we were discussing back then, I haven't been sure how to approach the subject.
Just go ahead and spit it. Do it in PM though.
We haven't had a bad mod at pd since the big change a few years back. Everyone has done a bang up job including TTM. If TTM was altering posts *cough*Hugh*cough*, or banning people without warning or cause, you'd have a complaint. Changing the title of his own thread, something ANYONE can do, is not the sign of a bad mod. Renaming it something snarky that you didn't like doesn't make him a bad mod. EVERYONE on pd.com, including ALL of the mods will post snarky stuff from time to time. It doesn't make sense to ask our mods to wear halos and be PC when the rest of us aren't.
TTM AND NIGEL INADVERTENTLY AGREE IN SEPARATE THREADS!
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:52:42 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 02:46:27 AM
Using secret mod dickishness powers to change thread titles take a stab at Nigel.
It's your thread. :roll:
If you split someone else's posts out of it, and renamed THAT thread something like "EoC sucks dog dicks", that would be an abuse. IMO. Also, moreso, it would make you a huge asshole.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 03:48:22 AM
Faust is a chicken-fucking faggot.
EoC fists cats.
RWHN has a debilitating jenkem addiction.
Freeky has an (until now) undisclosed fetish for Glenn Beck in nipple-pasties.
Dok is, in fact, Pud's retarded brother.
Alty likes to watch EOC fist cats.
Telarus has a profound and disturbing appetite for animated tentacle rape.
...and TTM is boring. :lulz:
Building bridges through bestiality.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:49:35 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 03:41:12 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:39:05 AM
the having-my-back thing, after all the shit we've gone through, is a factor I cannot express deeply enough my appreciation for.
:)
Can't blame you for January/February. If it were me, I'd have done the same thing. I was a little bugshit. And, by a little, I mean "I accused Maria and my daughter of plotting to kill me".
I started off angry (not to mention confused!) but got pretty fucking worried pretty damn fast. Wish I'd known better, sooner. But I'm glad Maria PMed me that night and I was able to bounce some thoughts off her... otherwise who knows if she would have forced you to go to the hospital in the morning? Shit, man. I am not trying to take credit for that, but by that point I was seriously convinced that there was something going badly wrong and I was wracking my brain for what could have caused it.
Yeah, if I had gone untreated, I'd be dead. So I appreciate you and her having those chats.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 03:51:33 AM
It would appear that nobody really gives a shit about what you're saying and you're the first person to ever have any complaints about my modding. You have completely failed to show any case where I intentionally abused my abilities as a mod.
I guess you're just going to take a pass on the whole "proper argument" thing eh? I don't blame you, you're fucking terrible at it. All you can to is try desperately to cause as much drama as you can when you're in one of these moods.
A proper argument about what? Pick something, start a thread, and if it's something I care about I'll give it a shot.
I think I completely showed where you intentionally abused your abilities as a mod, and I suspect people would complain about you a lot more if you ever did anything besides post links.
Goddamn you are all doing my fucking head in.
If it wasn't for the incredibly high ethical standards I hold myself to, I'd have deleted the lot of you about three hours ago. And I'm still tempted to, if only to forestall the same stupid fucking thing happening again by this time next week.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 03:56:29 AM
Goddamn you are all doing my fucking head in.
True dat. If it wasn't for a head full of psychotropic chemicals, I'd have blown the fuck up 15 pages back.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:53:52 AM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 03:51:33 AM
It would appear that nobody really gives a shit about what you're saying and you're the first person to ever have any complaints about my modding. You have completely failed to show any case where I intentionally abused my abilities as a mod.
I guess you're just going to take a pass on the whole "proper argument" thing eh? I don't blame you, you're fucking terrible at it. All you can to is try desperately to cause as much drama as you can when you're in one of these moods.
A proper argument about what? Pick something, start a thread, and if it's something I care about I'll give it a shot.
I think I completely showed where you intentionally abused your abilities as a mod, and I suspect people would complain about you a lot more if you ever did anything besides post links.
How, exactly, have I intentionally abused my abilities as a moderator?
I split a thread (intentionally with YOUR post as the first post so that you could change the title to whatever you wanted, which you did) and explicitly told you that if you wanted to split similar spam to PM me and I'll split it. If you're not comfortable with me doing it, PM it to another mod. Speaking of PMs, it was repeatedly stated that nobody even knew there was an actual ignore function on the forums and that it was assumed that you were, as usual, just full of shit and trying to cause more drama (Oh wait, you were trying to cause more drama because you continued to PM me when I told you to fuck off and I told you to let it go and I told you you were free to stop PMing me and I would respond in kind, and I
did when you finally stopped harassing me through PMs).
Your arguments hold no weight and any time you start to lose you either try to change the subject or you pick a fight with somebody else. That's all you really care about: Picking fights and starting drama.
Try to prove me wrong. Try to prove that you have a legitimate reason for any of the fights you've picked with people. I mean really prove it.
This thread is
1011 pages of you trying and failing spectacularly to justify how you've been treating people, and it's not just me. You have a pattern of unprovoked attacks on multiple posters and then milking it for as much drama as you can manage.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 03:58:19 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 03:56:29 AM
Goddamn you are all doing my fucking head in.
True dat. If it wasn't for a head full of psychotropic chemicals, I'd have blown the fuck up 15 pages back.
Crap like this is why I don't bother with anything more than quick posts now. PD aint worth it. This place is just an arena for a few oversized egos to neurotically detail every aspect of their life and get involved in pointless shitfests. Quite frankly, I feel like wiping this place out would be a mercy killing at this stage. I really am sick to death of all of it.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:17:28 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 03:58:19 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 03:56:29 AM
Goddamn you are all doing my fucking head in.
True dat. If it wasn't for a head full of psychotropic chemicals, I'd have blown the fuck up 15 pages back.
Crap like this is why I don't bother with anything more than quick posts now. PD aint worth it. This place is just an arena for a few oversized egos to neurotically detail every aspect of their life and get involved in pointless shitfests. Quite frankly, I feel like wiping this place out would be a mercy killing at this stage. I really am sick to death of all of it.
So because you personally are tired of it, you think it would be a good idea to destroy it? I can't be reading that right.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:17:28 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 03:58:19 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 03:56:29 AM
Goddamn you are all doing my fucking head in.
True dat. If it wasn't for a head full of psychotropic chemicals, I'd have blown the fuck up 15 pages back.
Crap like this is why I don't bother with anything more than quick posts now. PD aint worth it. This place is just an arena for a few oversized egos to neurotically detail every aspect of their life and get involved in pointless shitfests. Quite frankly, I feel like wiping this place out would be a mercy killing at this stage. I really am sick to death of all of it.
(http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/8/killme.jpg)
Quote from: EoC on April 22, 2010, 03:52:27 AM
TTM AND NIGEL INADVERTENTLY AGREE IN SEPARATE THREADS!
Building bridges through bestiality.
:horrormirth:
No, that's pretty much it.
Its just as selfish and self-absorbed as anything else being posted on the site right now, it'd just be quicker and more efficient.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:20:27 AM
No, that's pretty much it.
Its just as selfish and self-absorbed as anything else being posted on the site right now, it'd just be quicker and more efficient.
Well, fortunately, Faust keeps nice backups.
Really wish you wouldn't, though. I still like the place.
Yep. That's why I've effectively tendered my resignation to ECH instead. This site is a joke, but it's stopped being a funny one.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:24:11 AM
Yep. That's why I've effectively tendered my resignation to ECH instead. This site is a joke, but it's stopped being a funny one.
Sorry to hear you feel that way.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:24:11 AM
Yep. That's why I've effectively tendered my resignation to ECH instead. This site is a joke, but it's stopped being a funny one.
I'm sorry, especially if my overinflated ego contributed to your dislike of the place.
Doubt it. No-one on this site has given a shit about how I've felt or my recommendations for a long time. Which is why its probably such a fucking mess.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:20:27 AM
No, that's pretty much it.
Its just as selfish and self-absorbed as anything else being posted on the site right now, it'd just be quicker and more efficient.
I would advise one of two things:
1) Just ignore all the shit you hate and, if you think it's necessary, take a nice long shit on it.
OR
2) Go to a place you think is better. I actually don't spend as much time here as I used to for the reasons you listed. I find Reddit to be a pretty great site with reasonable, clever, funny and generally pretty decent people. If I spent all my time here I'd probably bring back H!MEOBS specifically to destroy PD after having a psychotic break because of the eight-billionth "hay guise, I (insert story with no redeeming entertainment or informational value here)!"
You're burnt out man, if you hate doing something find something else to do when you get sick of what you're burnt out on.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Doubt it. No-one on this site has given a shit about how I've felt or my recommendations for a long time. Which is why its probably such a fucking mess.
I see. We haven't listened to recommendations you've made (can't seem to remember any, but that's probably me), and without the benefit of your omniscient guidance, our incompetence has led us onto the rocks. How very foolish of us. Well, we mortals can be that way. Happened in Greek mythology all the time.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Doubt it. No-one on this site has given a shit about how I've felt or my recommendations for a long time. Which is why its probably such a fucking mess.
You could start your own forum too. Remember how kick-ass the Sandbox was?
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Doubt it. No-one on this site has given a shit about how I've felt or my recommendations for a long time. Which is why its probably such a fucking mess.
I don't know if this means much and it probably sounds to saccharine but Cain you are generally the first person I go to when I have a question.
Yeah, I suppose it was just coincidence this site did as well as it did while I was in charge. Or nearly every time I publically or privately bought up ideas to change the forum I was mocked or berated for it.
I agree, this board is a mess, I'm constantly wondering why I keep coming back here when it feels sometimes things are just getting worse.
It's got some great, interesting and people in it, but sometimes it does become a bit of a Ego-fest and drama over stupid things seems to be of more importance here then sharing interesting information or coming up with things that could, you know, might contribute something towards changing the world in some positive or weird way.
Just my 2c.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 04:29:49 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Doubt it. No-one on this site has given a shit about how I've felt or my recommendations for a long time. Which is why its probably such a fucking mess.
You could start your own forum too. Remember how kick-ass the Sandbox was?
I have no desire to run my own forum
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 04:30:04 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Doubt it. No-one on this site has given a shit about how I've felt or my recommendations for a long time. Which is why its probably such a fucking mess.
I don't know if this means much and it probably sounds to saccharine but Cain you are generally the first person I go to when I have a question.
Doesn't mean a thing. So I'm this site's walking wikipedia, how thrilling.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:31:03 AM
Yeah, I suppose it was just coincidence this site did as well as it did while I was in charge. Or nearly every time I publically or privately bought up ideas to change the forum I was mocked or berated for it.
Really? Because I remember things a little differently. I remember dicking with the forum descriptions a bit, and you throwing a fit. So I stopped. And then you guys fucked with them. Because that's totally different. But I don't remember you being berated over any suggestions. Can you give me an example?
And I fail to see how you being in charge contributed to content, etc, that happened more or less spontaneously. Call me crazy.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:33:01 AM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 04:29:49 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Doubt it. No-one on this site has given a shit about how I've felt or my recommendations for a long time. Which is why its probably such a fucking mess.
You could start your own forum too. Remember how kick-ass the Sandbox was?
I have no desire to run my own forum
You sure? It kind of sounds like you do.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:33:41 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 04:30:04 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Doubt it. No-one on this site has given a shit about how I've felt or my recommendations for a long time. Which is why its probably such a fucking mess.
I don't know if this means much and it probably sounds to saccharine but Cain you are generally the first person I go to when I have a question.
Doesn't mean a thing. So I'm this site's walking wikipedia, how thrilling.
It means that people do value your opinion and actually seek it out. I cant keep going with this, I've got 12 hours work ahead of me in 6 hours Goodnight folks, I hope this sorts itself out.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:34:15 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:31:03 AM
Yeah, I suppose it was just coincidence this site did as well as it did while I was in charge. Or nearly every time I publically or privately bought up ideas to change the forum I was mocked or berated for it.
Really? Because I remember things a little differently. I remember dicking with the forum descriptions a bit, and you throwing a fit. So I stopped. And then you guys fucked with them. Because that's totally different. But I don't remember you being berated over any suggestions. Can you give me an example?
And I fail to see how you being in charge contributed to content, etc, that happened more or less spontaneously. Call me crazy.
I was talking about things like suggesting we bring back anonymous posting, which you spent three pages mocking me about. Or when I suggested some additional forums, and....I can't remember who, I think it might have been Faust and Fred, mocked me for that. Or the time I suggested everyone not be an insufferable pedant and Kai and LMNO immediately decided to do just that in order to wind me up. I'm sure I could find more examples if I cared to look.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 04:34:20 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:33:01 AM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 04:29:49 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Doubt it. No-one on this site has given a shit about how I've felt or my recommendations for a long time. Which is why its probably such a fucking mess.
You could start your own forum too. Remember how kick-ass the Sandbox was?
I have no desire to run my own forum
You sure? It kind of sounds like you do.
No, I don't.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 04:35:36 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:33:41 AM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 04:30:04 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Doubt it. No-one on this site has given a shit about how I've felt or my recommendations for a long time. Which is why its probably such a fucking mess.
I don't know if this means much and it probably sounds to saccharine but Cain you are generally the first person I go to when I have a question.
Doesn't mean a thing. So I'm this site's walking wikipedia, how thrilling.
It means that people do value your opinion and actually seek it out. I cant keep going with this, I've got 12 hours work ahead of me in 6 hours Goodnight folks, I hope this sorts itself out.
And then ignore it. Good night.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:38:20 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:34:15 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:31:03 AM
Yeah, I suppose it was just coincidence this site did as well as it did while I was in charge. Or nearly every time I publically or privately bought up ideas to change the forum I was mocked or berated for it.
Really? Because I remember things a little differently. I remember dicking with the forum descriptions a bit, and you throwing a fit. So I stopped. And then you guys fucked with them. Because that's totally different. But I don't remember you being berated over any suggestions. Can you give me an example?
And I fail to see how you being in charge contributed to content, etc, that happened more or less spontaneously. Call me crazy.
I was talking about things like suggesting we bring back anonymous posting, which you spent three pages mocking me about. Or when I suggested some additional forums, and....I can't remember who, I think it might have been Faust and Fred, mocked me for that. Or the time I suggested everyone not be an insufferable pedant and Kai and LMNO immediately decided to do just that in order to wind me up. I'm sure I could find more examples if I cared to look.
I wouldn't mock someone for suggesting a forum.
Argg, I cant get drawn into this, not tonight.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:38:55 AM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 04:34:20 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:33:01 AM
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 04:29:49 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Doubt it. No-one on this site has given a shit about how I've felt or my recommendations for a long time. Which is why its probably such a fucking mess.
You could start your own forum too. Remember how kick-ass the Sandbox was?
I have no desire to run my own forum
You sure? It kind of sounds like you do.
No, I don't.
Do you want to click on this link? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE3KdcTgrno)
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:38:20 AM
I was talking about things like suggesting we bring back anonymous posting, which you spent three pages mocking me about.
I did? I remember saying it was a really bad idea, but I don't remember 3 pages of mocking.
And now you're wanting to trash the whole board, including shit like LMNO's "30 days", etc, because you feel you aren't getting your due, that perhaps not enough people are kissing your arse? That your claim to nobility on PD is perhaps being taken less seriously than you'd like?
If you don't like PD, then leave. But you don't have the right to trash everyone elses' shit because your ego isn't being stroked hard enough.
I really hope you're drunk or some shit, Cain, because I expect a lot better out of you than this petulant crap. Snap the fuck out of it.
Hmm...
I've been trying to think up a response here and I'm just utterly....boggled.
I don't understand the TTM/Nigel thing so I won't begin there.
But I don't get it - if people are mutually agreeing that things aren't going as smoothly as they could; what exactly has been done?
Of course it is ok to disagree with people - its only natural, but when it becomes personal then it just ruins it for the others.
I remember reading something from a member here (Was it Telarus?) when discussing Karma (Not focusing on the future but rather in the immediate)
When you throw a rock out in anger,
The others will have to deal with the anger.
From there, the anger can just pass on ... etc etc I won't go on in that direction.
But, Of course things are going to be messed if there are personal attacks going on here and there - and they only seem to be intensifying ... If it was focused towards constructive things ...
Its kinda like a hurricane, it just picks anything in its path at random.
Anyhow, I think I lost my point...
Quote from: NotPubli on April 22, 2010, 04:45:04 AM
I don't understand the TTM/Nigel thing.
Nigel has been fucking with random posters (when she feels like it I guess?) and she decided to try fucking with me a couple of times. The first time I just made fun of her and she gave up, she tried again so I decided to have some fun with it and this is the resulting fallout.
Now here's a song about a leather belt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wUESmuWtoQ
Pickles.
This does seem to be a recurring pattern at PD. Oddly enough, it also seems to happy around the same times of the year. We actually had a well thought out hypothesis as to why it happened, but it was inevitably lost in a deluge of stupid posts about stupid things and links to thinks like songs about leather belts and duke nukem soundboards being used to make MMO players shit bricks.
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 04:55:15 AM
This does seem to be a recurring pattern at PD. Oddly enough, it also seems to happy around the same times of the year. We actually had a well thought out hypothesis as to why it happened, but it was inevitably lost in a deluge of stupid posts about stupid things and links to thinks like songs about leather belts and duke nukem soundboards being used to make MMO players shit bricks.
I remember something about that.
I think it's just that stupidity is cyclical.
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:43:39 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:38:20 AM
I was talking about things like suggesting we bring back anonymous posting, which you spent three pages mocking me about.
I did? I remember saying it was a really bad idea, but I don't remember 3 pages of mocking.
And now you're wanting to trash the whole board, including shit like LMNO's "30 days", etc, because you feel you aren't getting your due, that perhaps not enough people are kissing your arse? That your claim to nobility on PD is perhaps being taken less seriously than you'd like?
If you don't like PD, then leave. But you don't have the right to trash everyone elses' shit because your ego isn't being stroked hard enough.
I really hope you're drunk or some shit, Cain, because I expect a lot better out of you than this petulant crap. Snap the fuck out of it.
I've never been taken seriously on this site. I'm used to that, no change there.
However apparently the only way I can get people's attention to try and stop them from endlessly bickering (which is destroying this site just as surely as me deleting the whole damn thing) is to threaten to do just that. Because....well, I mentioned it above.
Everyone is engaged in their pathetic little ego stroking games on this site. Apparently, the only thing that will make them pay attention is a game which threatens to stop the fun for everyone, forever.
Do you know how many people have told me over the last few days, in passing conversation, about how utterly sick of all this infighting they are? How it makes them feel jaded and not want to contribute and how they even consider leaving the board due to it? I could have brought that all up, calmly, in a conversation like. But I've done that before, gotten a few token claps and then been totally ignored. People don't like this place being turned into a prime shitting site, they don't like having to tiptoe around certain members for fear of setting them off and they sure as hell don't like the way internet drama has a higher priority here than everything else.
So now I finally have a few people's attention. Maybe they're understanding the gravity of this situation. Or maybe not, you can never tell with these things. But it basically comes down to this: stuff like this is killing PD. It is driving away good members, making sure good members work is ignored (the point behind my earlier mention of Sepia) and causing aminosity and feelings of vengeance to flourish. No site will last long with that as a basis, without a basic core of respect for the impact an individual's actions can have on the larger community, which is exactly what is happening here, and has been happening here for the past couple of years.
If people are not willing to put aside their petty greivances, not indulge in every sarcastic or hurtful comment that comes into their minds, not assume the worst of each other all the time, not crank up every argument into something of cosmic importance....then this place is done. Over. Might still be some posting, but it's as good as dead. Some of the best are already starting to turn away and fall into apathy concerning this place.
And it pains me I had to threaten this place just so I could be assured I was properly listened to. I've alreadly told ECH I'm prepared to effectively remove myself from this site, and literally limit myself to activating bots, moving threads and other mod duties. No posting, no interaction. I threatened the site, so I deserve such punishment, at the minimum. If not an outright ban. But if that's what it takes to get someone, anyone to take me seriously, then so be it.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 05:04:18 AM
Everyone is engaged in their pathetic little ego stroking games on this site.
You're the worst offender.
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 05:04:18 AM
Apparently, the only thing that will make them pay attention is a game which threatens to stop the fun for everyone, forever.
So, it's agree with Cain or goodbye? Choke on a dick. You're as bad as Ari Fleischer.
I'm going to bed. This is too revolting to stay up for.
QuoteSo now I finally have a few people's attention. Maybe they're understanding the gravity of this situation. Or maybe not, you can never tell with these things.
I just don't know, often I have thought maybe if the bickering was ignored, everything would blow over ... But, it seems to be crapping up the flow of other peoples input; everyone just gets drawn into it somehow; even though there are those individuals who do continue to give input, but they don't get much attention that is deserved; cause it doesn't have anything angry or anything that has some personal attack in it.
Even though I am a newbie to this site; this is probably one place where it feels close to home (Hey I grew up in an angry angry household :lol:), I don't go to forums often, but I feel compelled to come here
Anyhow,
QuoteIf people are not willing to put aside their petty greivances, not indulge in every sarcastic or hurtful comment that comes into their minds, not assume the worst of each other all the time, not crank up every argument into something of cosmic importance
Is probably the best piece of advice ever. I'm not here to stir shit, but with your own thread - Pedantry, I still don't even understand your reaction to the posts there.
4 bars! And now my complete drama whoring contribution. I've spent the last 2 weeks getting about 20 different tests including, but not limited too, MRI, Lumbar puncture, 37 vials of blood, cat scan etc....
I was diagnosed with MS today on top of the RA. So just how important is this ppetty bullshit in the scheme of real life?
I'm not a real content poster so my absence hasn't been noticed. I came on tonight for the distraction of my friends. May as well have watched American Idol....
Someone pop me an email when this latest version of bullshit hits a dead end. Love you guys but I have enough fighting IRL. I can't do this anymore!!!
XOXO Drama Queen.....
.......making the thread all about her ITP!!!
Oh my god Khara! I am so sorry to hear about this. I did notice your absence, I thought you were just lurking and not posting. (Well I've only been focusing on a small part of the forum myself though .. so same could be said of me)
Shit ... I wish I could offer something to help you... :(
Quote from: Khara on April 22, 2010, 05:32:05 AM
4 bars! And now my complete drama whoring contribution. I've spent the last 2 weeks getting about 20 different tests including, but not limited too, MRI, Lumbar puncture, 37 vials of blood, cat scan etc....
I was diagnosed with MS today on top of the RA. So just how important is this ppetty bullshit in the scheme of real life?
I'm not a real content poster so my absence hasn't been noticed. I came on tonight for the distraction of my friends. May as well have watched American Idol....
Someone pop me an email when this latest version of bullshit hits a dead end. Love you guys but I have enough fighting IRL. I can't do this anymore!!!
XOXO Drama Queen.....
.......making the thread all about her ITP!!!
That's messed up, I'm so sorry to hear :(
Quote from: Khara on April 22, 2010, 05:32:05 AM
4 bars! And now my complete drama whoring contribution. I've spent the last 2 weeks getting about 20 different tests including, but not limited too, MRI, Lumbar puncture, 37 vials of blood, cat scan etc....
I was diagnosed with MS today on top of the RA. So just how important is this ppetty bullshit in the scheme of real life?
I'm not a real content poster so my absence hasn't been noticed. I came on tonight for the distraction of my friends. May as well have watched American Idol....
Someone pop me an email when this latest version of bullshit hits a dead end. Love you guys but I have enough fighting IRL. I can't do this anymore!!!
XOXO Drama Queen.....
.......making the thread all about her ITP!!!
Jesus fuck. I'm sorry.
The thing I wanted to say before I left to go hang out with my girlfriends, which is only tangentially related to this thread but is triggered by something posted in it. And here perhaps I will sound like a Roger fanboi, but I still want to say it, is that as emotionally volatile as he is, as crazyfuckingwhoa as he is, on the subject of him having my back and how grateful I am of it, is that he is the guy who called me every fucking day, sometimes twice a day, when I was at my very worst times, when I really was losing my fucking shit over my divorce and my breakup with Boots, to make sure I was OK.
And that is a person who really fucking has your back.
Day in and day out, even when we were fighting online, just to make sure I was feeding myself and working and to pep/shit talk me through another fucking day. So even if this whole thread is a pile of shit, just to say, fucking hell, a bunch of pixels on a screen really came though for me there, and if I lost my shit for a few days in January/February or whenever that was because I thought I had fucked that up, well you know, it's not easy to lose your goddamn Spiritual Advisor. And as long as I am, to borrow some words from Christianity, right with Roger, I know I'm right with the world. So it is good to be right with Roger.
That guy, who tried to drive me off and made me cry (IRL OMG) in my first couple weeks here, is the reason I stuck around in the first place. Not because of the power of his mind-rays, but because here, I thought, was a place where people spoke their minds and if you felt a little fragile you put on a fucking hat... and also a place where people are treated as more than just "pixels on a screen". Having a bad day? Be a cranky dick, just be overt about it. Having a fragile day? Be a fucking piece of porcelain, just be overt about it, because one thing I noticed is that people would accept aggressive hyperbole as aggressive hyperbole and fuck you back and laugh it off, but if you were actually honestly in need of kindness, you would get kindness. Or if you just wanted to spew, that was OK too. And creativity... that shit was out of bounds, kind of in the way that's only OK in mental wards. Good shit.
You know who else? There are some fucking upright human beings here. Yatto, after being sent through the hazing gamut, sent me fucking TEA, which he knows through paying a touching kind of attention (and I mean that in a non-creepy way) is practically my lifeblood. So many other people here have been amazing, fabulous, supportive human beings, and if we fight we fight in the way I do with my actual in-person friends; nobody rips up the fabric from another person's life and flogs them with it, with very few exceptions. So for the most part, I don't think the forum is fucking broken, and I am going to put Roger at the headmast of why it's still afloat, after donning my tinfoil hat and my hive-mind controls. It's basic humanity, love it or loathe it.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 09:02:21 AM
The thing I wanted to say before I left to go hang out with my girlfriends, which is only tangentially related to this thread but is triggered by something posted in it. And here perhaps I will sound like a Roger fanboi, but I still want to say it, is that as emotionally volatile as he is, as crazyfuckingwhoa as he is, on the subject of him having my back and how grateful I am of it, is that he is the guy who called me every fucking day, sometimes twice a day, when I was at my very worst times, when I really was losing my fucking shit over my divorce and my breakup with Boots, to make sure I was OK.
And that is a person who really fucking has your back.
Day in and day out, even when we were fighting online, just to make sure I was feeding myself and working and to pep/shit talk me through another fucking day. So even if this whole thread is a pile of shit, just to say, fucking hell, a bunch of pixels on a screen really came though for me there, and if I lost my shit for a few days in January/February or whenever that was because I thought I had fucked that up, well you know, it's not easy to lose your goddamn Spiritual Advisor. And as long as I am, to borrow some words from Christianity, right with Roger, I know I'm right with the world. So it is good to be right with Roger.
That guy, who tried to drive me off and made me cry (IRL OMG) in my first couple weeks here, is the reason I stuck around in the first place. Not because of the power of his mind-rays, but because here, I thought, was a place where people spoke their minds and if you felt a little fragile you put on a fucking hat... and also a place where people are treated as more than just "pixels on a screen". Having a bad day? Be a cranky dick, just be overt about it. Having a fragile day? Be a fucking piece of porcelain, just be overt about it, because one thing I noticed is that people would accept aggressive hyperbole as aggressive hyperbole and fuck you back and laugh it off, but if you were actually honestly in need of kindness, you would get kindness. Or if you just wanted to spew, that was OK too. And creativity... that shit was out of bounds, kind of in the way that's only OK in mental wards. Good shit.
You know who else? There are some fucking upright human beings here. Yatto, after being sent through the hazing gamut, sent me fucking TEA, which he knows through paying a touching kind of attention (and I mean that in a non-creepy way) is practically my lifeblood. So many other people here have been amazing, fabulous, supportive human beings, and if we fight we fight in the way I do with my actual in-person friends; nobody rips up the fabric from another person's life and flogs them with it, with very few exceptions. So for the most part, I don't think the forum is fucking broken, and I am going to put Roger at the headmast of why it's still afloat, after donning my tinfoil hat and my hive-mind controls. It's basic humanity, love it or loathe it.
:mittens:
I haven't had as much direct contact with Roger, but he really does strike me as this type of guy. That thing about people being more than pixels on the screen, that's why I like PD as much as I do. Content is nice, but interacting with people who actually take the time to
know each other is better.
Also, much :sad: for Khara. hope you pull through okay, and sorry the forum is going through its dramaphase :sad:.
Quote from: - on April 21, 2010, 11:43:09 PM
Post made on the most recent drama - 159
Posts made on Sepia's last piece of writing - 1
that why she needs her own subforum
preferentially at the top with the subtitle REQUIRED READING
or move up OKM
back to reading
:popcorn:
starting at p. 3
QuoteI haven't had as much direct contact with Roger, but he really does strike me as this type of guy. That thing about people being more than pixels on the screen, that's why I like PD as much as I do. Content is nice, but interacting with people who actually take the time to know each other is better.
Aye... I can agree with you there.
I think the expectation on content is being overly stressed - that, or I must of missed something heavy. Too focused on what?
And seems like Cain has quit again?
WTF?? Guys I appreciate mainly because they are above the level of poop-flinging monkeys, hooting and flinging poop at each other? It's kind of funny and depressing at the same time. We've had horrormirth, now enter downermirth.
P3nT
-Laughing with a straight face-
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
I will never PM anyone who tells me I am on their ignore list
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Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:38:20 AMI was talking about things like suggesting we bring back anonymous posting, which you spent three pages mocking me about.
done in a limted way like church of google had, fuck might actually improve apple talk or make it sink...
YAY SINK! can we wear turbans and annoy everyone with our magicks?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 02:04:30 AM
Quote from: EoC on April 22, 2010, 01:40:41 AM
But it's okay because it's all in Apple Talk. So when people smear shit all over the walls of your bathroom it's cool, because your bathroom is made for shitting.
I smear shit all over peoples' bathrooms because I hate them, and it pleases my monkey nature.
all discordians are now forbidden from stocking tp within 25 ft from or in sight of saint john the bastard
re:splitting
I once took someone down a peg by splitting all thousand of their posts over the course of like a year into one thread, to point out how much of a twit he was, must to say he left on his own reguards. when i found the same thing done here to a lesser extend it made me laugh and stick around
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:24:30 AM
I am turning on the report PM feature.
can we rename it "I NEED AN ADULT!"
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 02:27:26 AM
piece of subhuman shit on the level of Wade
I saw the hamster on IRC, sadly he didnt talk to me
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 02:58:13 AM
...proof that all you really want is drama and you'll do pretty much anything to get it.
:box:
its funnier if i picture you on a soapbox for some reaosn... :lulz:
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 03:21:47 AM
Annnnd we all know why/how that particular debacle escalated the way it did.
:genius:
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 09:02:21 AM
You know who else? There are some fucking upright human beings here. Yatto,
after being sent through the hazing gamut, sent me fucking TEA,
you know there was also really tasty popcorn which i gave to suu instead
:popcorn:
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 03:42:21 AM
Anyone have a number of the number of meltdowns Nigel has had in the last year?
Is it just me or does that sound like your asking her if its that time of the month...
Quote from: Ten Ton Mantis on April 22, 2010, 03:51:33 AM
All you can to is try desperately to cause as much drama as you can when you're in one of these moods.
HAHA see what i mean
sadly THIS is the best quote ITT..
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:29:00 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 22, 2010, 04:26:37 AM
Doubt it. No-one on this site has given a shit about how I've felt or my recommendations for a long time. Which is why its probably such a fucking mess.
I see. We haven't listened to recommendations you've made (can't seem to remember any, but that's probably me), and without the benefit of your omniscient guidance, our incompetence has led us onto the rocks. How very foolish of us. Well, we mortals can be that way. Happened in Greek mythology all the time.
I am sad Cain left.
The drama is boring.
Sepia should has own forum.
I wish my phone made it easier to post and mek me post content.
I really have to disagree with the notion that PD's successes have rested on one individual. Certainly, Cain has generated a lot of great content. Certainly, he has done a great job as an admin. I won't begrudge him that for a second. But PD's quality is more of a product of the collective. It is Cain's writings, for sure. But it has also been Dok's rants. It's been Sepia's essays. It's been LMNO's music and quantum stuff. It's been Cram's 111 awesome projects and ideas, it was all of us getting together to churn out a few online magazines. It was all of us coming together and getting BIP off the ground. It was everyone getting on board the spider essays. Certainly, one person can end up being a disruptor (AKK, Daruko, DK, etc.), but the success of this place has always been about the collective community and energy. I know I've appreciated what everone has brought to the table the past 5 years. (except the dreadful hours, fuck that guy!)
Quote from: Khara on April 22, 2010, 05:32:05 AM
4 bars! And now my complete drama whoring contribution. I've spent the last 2 weeks getting about 20 different tests including, but not limited too, MRI, Lumbar puncture, 37 vials of blood, cat scan etc....
I was diagnosed with MS today on top of the RA. So just how important is this ppetty bullshit in the scheme of real life?
I'm not a real content poster so my absence hasn't been noticed. I came on tonight for the distraction of my friends. May as well have watched American Idol....
Someone pop me an email when this latest version of bullshit hits a dead end. Love you guys but I have enough fighting IRL. I can't do this anymore!!!
XOXO Drama Queen.....
.......making the thread all about her ITP!!!
:cry:
Sorry to hear that.. I consider you a regular poster
Wish I could do something. Drop me a line if you need something.
Quote from: Khara on April 22, 2010, 05:32:05 AM
4 bars! And now my complete drama whoring contribution. I've spent the last 2 weeks getting about 20 different tests including, but not limited too, MRI, Lumbar puncture, 37 vials of blood, cat scan etc....
I was diagnosed with MS today on top of the RA. So just how important is this ppetty bullshit in the scheme of real life?
I'm not a real content poster so my absence hasn't been noticed. I came on tonight for the distraction of my friends. May as well have watched American Idol....
Someone pop me an email when this latest version of bullshit hits a dead end. Love you guys but I have enough fighting IRL. I can't do this anymore!!!
XOXO Drama Queen.....
.......making the thread all about her ITP!!!
I'm truly sorry to hear about this Khara. My Mom was diagnosed with MS back when I was a senior in high school. Fortunately, the progression has been very slow and mild for her with relatively small impact on her day to day life. Here's hoping the same for you.
Khara, u hope you are getting good support and medical marijuana.
Also I agree that this drama shit is unimportant.
Too much unignorable noise.
Dr. Paes and this weird old alt are not going to be posting here again and I'm unlikely to be in IRC.
Maybe some new alt will return in the future, because nobody ever leaves, but the plan as it exists now is not to do so.
Am in the wrong headspace to dig through all the fail to find the gold which is buried in these here hills.
End up emotionally involved in dramas which are not my own, or something.
Also, what Pent said, but the poop-flinging isn't entertaining anymore.
Take care, everyone.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 22, 2010, 09:02:21 AM
The thing I wanted to say before I left to go hang out with my girlfriends, which is only tangentially related to this thread but is triggered by something posted in it. And here perhaps I will sound like a Roger fanboi, but I still want to say it, is that as emotionally volatile as he is, as crazyfuckingwhoa as he is, on the subject of him having my back and how grateful I am of it, is that he is the guy who called me every fucking day, sometimes twice a day, when I was at my very worst times, when I really was losing my fucking shit over my divorce and my breakup with Boots, to make sure I was OK.
And that is a person who really fucking has your back.
Day in and day out, even when we were fighting online, just to make sure I was feeding myself and working and to pep/shit talk me through another fucking day. So even if this whole thread is a pile of shit, just to say, fucking hell, a bunch of pixels on a screen really came though for me there, and if I lost my shit for a few days in January/February or whenever that was because I thought I had fucked that up, well you know, it's not easy to lose your goddamn Spiritual Advisor. And as long as I am, to borrow some words from Christianity, right with Roger, I know I'm right with the world. So it is good to be right with Roger.
That guy, who tried to drive me off and made me cry (IRL OMG) in my first couple weeks here, is the reason I stuck around in the first place. Not because of the power of his mind-rays, but because here, I thought, was a place where people spoke their minds and if you felt a little fragile you put on a fucking hat... and also a place where people are treated as more than just "pixels on a screen". Having a bad day? Be a cranky dick, just be overt about it. Having a fragile day? Be a fucking piece of porcelain, just be overt about it, because one thing I noticed is that people would accept aggressive hyperbole as aggressive hyperbole and fuck you back and laugh it off, but if you were actually honestly in need of kindness, you would get kindness. Or if you just wanted to spew, that was OK too. And creativity... that shit was out of bounds, kind of in the way that's only OK in mental wards. Good shit.
You know who else? There are some fucking upright human beings here. Yatto, after being sent through the hazing gamut, sent me fucking TEA, which he knows through paying a touching kind of attention (and I mean that in a non-creepy way) is practically my lifeblood. So many other people here have been amazing, fabulous, supportive human beings, and if we fight we fight in the way I do with my actual in-person friends; nobody rips up the fabric from another person's life and flogs them with it, with very few exceptions. So for the most part, I don't think the forum is fucking broken, and I am going to put Roger at the headmast of why it's still afloat, after donning my tinfoil hat and my hive-mind controls. It's basic humanity, love it or loathe it.
:)
Quote from: PEAS on April 22, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Too much unignorable noise.
Dr. Paes and this weird old alt are not going to be posting here again and I'm unlikely to be in IRC.
Maybe some new alt will return in the future, because nobody ever leaves, but the plan as it exists now is not to do so.
Am in the wrong headspace to dig through all the fail to find the gold which is buried in these here hills.
End up emotionally involved in dramas which are not my own, or something.
Also, what Pent said, but the poop-flinging isn't entertaining anymore.
Take care, everyone.
Bummer. I wish you wouldn't go. We've gone through weirder times than these...and senseless fights are just as much part of the human condition. We're all used to being the weirdest, most creative people in the room IRL, so it's natural that there's going to be some level of head-bumping here.
The level of tension and drama is at a high point... and whatever reasons that bring about this cycle, the two figures it has crystallized around this time are TTM and Nigel.
Obviously, the two do not like each other. And although we can debate for hours over "who started it", the only truth worth noting is that BOTH of them are perpetuating it.
TTM has stated that he will call Nigel out any time he feels she is being nasty, and Nigel has stated she will in turn poke TTM because she finds it amusing. And, of course, because neither of them like the other.
The point being, it no longer matters who "starts" something, because each of their stated behaviors will ensure that it never dies, and only escalates. And the thing about escalating, sustained drama is that it has a tendency to draw other people in to it. Which, in turn, only increases the level of drama.
And what is the result? The overall quality of the board suffers. Most members here (as shown through the recent poll) are not interested in the drama, and wish it would stop. The quaility suffers to the point that some posters who have made creative and impressive contributions to the board have decided that it's just not worth their time anymore. And so, the board suffers again.
Simply put, the fact that neither TTM nor Nigel will ever back down or make a concession to the social community of PD.com ensures that the community, as a whole, will suffer.
It doesn't matter who started it at this point, it only matters who's willing to make the effort to stop it. Because it is an effort. But you'll be doing PD.com a huge service through that effort.
I can't make you. I probably can't even convince you. Hell, I can't even threaten you. But if neither of you are willing to make the effort, I will blame both of you for what happens to the board because of it.
Wait there's recent drama somewhere in this board?
Since I didn't notice it's not happening.
Hi guys,
it's me, your buddy Cramulus.
I don't have a lot to say on this matter. I really wish there were some great diplomatic thing I could say that would help get this board back on the "right track". We've had a lot of these little "what's wrong with the board" summits over the past few months, with increasing frequency as the weeks go on. (remember all the Fluff vs Content debacle? etc etc) The reason we
keep having them is because we haven't actually changed our collective behavior. There's no new information being introduced so nobody's changed how they interact. So I'm hesitant to revisit the "rhetorical solution" to our problems because I don't think talking about it is actually making it better. It just becomes more fodder for drama.
But I will say a few things that I need to get off my chest.
And first to Nigel, because I like you quite a bit---
I had hesitated to get involved in this recent wave because I consider us friends IRL and I didn't want to seem like I was teaming up with TTM against you. So please understand that I say this as a buddy - I've felt you've been really quick to fly off the handle recently, and it's made me distance myself from you. You've been flying from thread to thread starting shit with people. Even people like me and LMNO who haven't really done anything to deserve the level of vitriol we've received. We were having a rational discussion and then you burst into ad hominems (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24774.msg860952#msg860952).
Like a few weeks ago you told me (repeatedly) (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24556.msg849100#msg849100) to go fuck myself with a fistfull of shit. It was an unexpected and explosive level of emotion.
Or the other day, in the Sufficiently advanced photoshop is indistinguishable from magic (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24886.0) thread, you insisted on jacking the thread to talk about how you hate clients and DIE HUMANITY I HATE YOU ALL when we were just trying to talk about photoshop.
It makes me go, "ehhhh maybe it's best not to talk to nigel because she's clearly having one of those days where she's searching for a target."
So while this thread is primarily about the drama between you and TTM, in the larger context, TTM is acting as a symbol for the backlash against the emotional whirlwind you've been riding on. You never seem to hold back, as of late, from indulging
the destructive trip.And I like you and I like reading your posts so I want it to stop.
What is the solution to all of this?Cain already said it really clearly:
Quote from: - on April 22, 2010, 05:04:18 AM
...stuff like this is killing PD. It is driving away good members, making sure good members work is ignored (the point behind my earlier mention of Sepia) and causing aminosity and feelings of vengeance to flourish. No site will last long with that as a basis, without a basic core of respect for the impact an individual's actions can have on the larger community, which is exactly what is happening here, and has been happening here for the past couple of years.
If people are not willing to put aside their petty greivances, not indulge in every sarcastic or hurtful comment that comes into their minds, not assume the worst of each other all the time, not crank up every argument into something of cosmic importance....then this place is done. Over. Might still be some posting, but it's as good as dead. Some of the best are already starting to turn away and fall into apathy concerning this place.
I agree 100%
and then, as if to prove his point, Roger immediately told him to choke on a dick and compared him to Ari Fleisher.. :?
and then cain flounced, and I'm not surprised, because that was
exactly what he was talking about
and then paes flounced
and a few weeks ago we lost Broken AI / Horrendous Love Stoat
and ratatosk isn't posting and khara isn't posting and I'm sure there are more
and there will be more leaves of absence and more flounces, I guarantee it
This place used to be nicknamed "NO EXIT". Hell is Other People [ITT].
all too appropriate
but now we have a better word for it
"Hey, kid. Welcome to Prison."
my friends,
I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO A JAIL BREAK.
love,
cramulus
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2010, 03:38:42 PM
and then, as if to prove his point, Roger immediately told him to choke on a dick and compared him to Ari Fleisher.. :?
Perhaps you misunderstood me. That was in reference to his threats to destroy/erase the board if he wasn't listened to.
still - it was escalatory.
you used a shotgun where a scalpel would have done the job
you used a FUCK YOU where an "I do understand where you're coming from" would have done the job
this is not limited to you - it's a microcosm of the cancer present in our collective communication habits
it's precisely what repels people from giving a shit
Okay, wow, Cramulus just said pretty much exactly what I wanted to say. (two posts back)
It is not about whether TTM abused his mod powers. TTM picked a name for the new thread when he split it off from his own thread (which is something anybody can ask a mod to do provided they started the thread). And this was supposedly mod-abuse because the first post in the new thread was Nigels so she could edit the title of that new thread back. And that is why TTM should not be a mod??? :? Durrrrrrrr :roll:
Which is changing the subject.
It is what I said before, that it is NOT OKAY to start looking for fights just because you happen to be in a mood where you hate the whole world. If you need to vent by arguing and fighting with people DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, trolling is for OTHER PLACES, DO NOT SHIT WHERE YOU EAT, etc.
Right now I would just like if Nigel could in the future refrain from actively looking for drama whenever the mood strikes her. Please. Not when Requia says quotes wikipedia on some cult or other, and you are looking for a fight. Not when someone starts a thread about a brilliant new Photoshop feature and you jack it by stating you "hate clients" and start attacking the art of digital photo manipulation as well as insulting photographers that use panorama stitching software. And not even when you just feel like letting everybody know that "I hate you all and wish you would die".
BTW, I do agree that words like "desperate whore" or "slut" cross a line and are unacceptable, especially when you mean what they say (just like calling someone a "sociopath", really). Additionally, words like "vacuous cunt" are much more funny and creative.
Quote from: NigelHe also explodes into rather gratifying levels of hysteria with very little prodding.
I am honestly not sure I can resist the temptation.
"Look what you
made me do !". You just gotta
try and not shit where you eat. Everybody else seems housebroken enough. Or if you really just cannot help it, we could just, you know, flame the fuck out of you when you cannot resist and "it just happens", just like you (and others) do whenever Enki cannot resist asking an ill-worded question about social norms he is unable to fathom.
Ummmmm yeah. Breaaaathe in, trip.
Okay.
Quote from: NigelHaving a bad day? Be a cranky dick, just be overt about it. Having a fragile day? Be a fucking piece of porcelain, just be overt about it, because one thing I noticed is that people would accept aggressive hyperbole as aggressive hyperbole and fuck you back and laugh it off
THIS. This is exactly the kind of thing that started all this drama everybody gets so fucking tired of. If you are having a bad day, it is NOT OKAY to spag up random threads with being a dick, aggressive hyperbole, overt or not. What you call "aggressive hyperbole" is really only funny to yourself, because it is practically indistinguishable from you being actually angry, and even if it was, and even if I'd care enough to look for it, it's still trolling for drama.
Being aggressive in a "just kidding" fashion is a 101% certain way to cause drama on this board. FACT. So if you care, just don't do it anymore.
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2010, 04:09:56 PM
still - it was escalatory.
Possibly, though I'm not sure that anything escalates beyond "I am not enjoying myself anymore, I think I may destroy the board", his original tack.
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2010, 04:09:56 PM
you used a shotgun where a scalpel would have done the job
Tried using a scalpel. I asked him to clarify his position. It's right there for you to read.
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2010, 04:09:56 PM
you used a FUCK YOU where an "I understand where you're coming from" would have done the job
I've done that in the past, in the Pedantry thread, for example. He ignored it completely. In this thread, I asked him more than once if he was serious.
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2010, 04:09:56 PM
this is not limited to you - it's a microcosm of the cancer present in our collective communication habits
I'm a cancer cell? :lol:
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2010, 04:09:56 PM
it's precisely what repels people from giving a shit
I have been called out many times when I have stepped on my dick. Many times far more publicly than this. Cain has been upset for months because his threads don't seem to him to be getting the attention they deserve. Then he states that because people won't listen to him, and because he isn't enjoying the board, his inclination is to destroy it.
Let's just pretend *I* said that.
"I've had it with this bickering, there's no content. I think I will erase the entire board, because none of you listen. It's the only way to get your attention."
You'd come down on me like a ton of bricks, and you know it. And I'd deserve it.
It occurs to me that I cannot be right, in this or any other thing. I am amazed that I haven't seen this before. No matter how outrageous the thing I am reacting to is I, am the fucking bad guy. There are not only two standards here, there are at least three.
Fuck it, you guys figure it out. I see no benefit to participating, since the verdict on me was in before I even posted.
Hey, a small request: Before everything collapses/gets nuked, could you please wait until I finish all 30 days of my SME project?
It's all I have left.
Well, that and the Spider Project. Which has been on hold due to Frost Heaves business.
But still. I'd like to actually finish the thing with the majority of PD.com intact before everyone decides to call it a day and find other boards to post on.
Call it an appeal for sympathy. I have a soft spot in my heart for the place, and I'd like to finish this damn thing while my electronic friends are still around.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
It occurs to me that I cannot be right, in this or any other thing. I am amazed that I haven't seen this before. No matter how outrageous the thing I am reacting to is I, am the fucking bad guy. There are not only two standards here, there are at least three.
Fuck it, you guys figure it out. I see no benefit to participating, since the verdict on me was in before I even posted.
I understand where you're coming from. Before I even posted that, I knew my suggestion that we refrain from shitting on each other was going to be met with really great justifications for shitting on one another.
as I said, I'm not trying to paint
you as the bad guy. I'm trying to illustrate what kind of communications interfere with cooperation towards a better board. It's not just you, it's just an example of the escalatory communication feedback loop which is the NORM at principiadiscordia.com/forum.
Quote from: LMNO on April 22, 2010, 04:27:33 PM
Hey, a small request: Before everything collapses/gets nuked, could you please wait until I finish all 30 days of my SME project?
It's all I have left.
Well, that and the Spider Project. Which has been on hold due to Frost Heaves business.
But still. I'd like to actually finish the thing with the majority of PD.com intact before everyone decides to call it a day and find other boards to post on.
Call it an appeal for sympathy. I have a soft spot in my heart for the place, and I'd like to finish this damn thing while my electronic friends are still around.
I'm staying. Can't speak for anyone else.
Im staying, despite Ill be busy till the end of the month
We've been through worse. After everyone says their piece it will all go back to normal
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2010, 04:30:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
It occurs to me that I cannot be right, in this or any other thing. I am amazed that I haven't seen this before. No matter how outrageous the thing I am reacting to is I, am the fucking bad guy. There are not only two standards here, there are at least three.
Fuck it, you guys figure it out. I see no benefit to participating, since the verdict on me was in before I even posted.
I understand where you're coming from. Before I even posted that, I knew my suggestion that we refrain from shitting on each other was going to be met with really great justifications for shitting on one another.
as I said, I'm not trying to paint you as the bad guy. I'm trying to illustrate what kind of communications interfere with cooperation towards a better board. It's not just you, it's just an example of the escalatory communication feedback loop which is the NORM at principiadiscordia.com/forum.
Well, I kind of read your placing the wrong context on my "Ari Fleisher" comment as assigning blame, especially when you clarified it as escalatory.
It's really fucking simple. Two people got in a fight, which was bad. It was made worse by everyone jumping in...in some cases, the same people that later started flouncing out of "disgust". Then one admin threatened to trash the board itself because he doesn't think he's received his due, and because all the other mods and admins are incompetent...the board only had good days because he and he alone made it so. His own words. This apparently gives him the right to destroy 8 years of amazingly creative shit.
I made every effort throughout the Nigel/TTM thing to be a calming influence, but when one guy decides he can wreck years of writing as a means to throw his toys out of the pram, I thought - and still think - it was time to speak up. I seem to be alone in this, so I guess I'll just back off and let everyone tell Cain how right he is, and hope that Faust is keeping up on the backups.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on April 22, 2010, 04:43:44 PM
After everyone says their piece it will all go back to normal
that's exactly what I'm worried about!~ :lol:
I am a moron for getting involved in this.
The drama, the "problem" with PD, and the related sentiments seem to have become an occupation of their own. The whole thing strikes me like a collected skinned knee. It's scabbed over, itchy and uncomfortable, but when you're bored it's REAL fun to pick at. There's no infection, cancer, or foreign object under that scab to purge, but we keep reoppening things anyways. Ignoring a problem doesn't do much good fixing it, but letting it sit for a while to let things heal, focuses detatch, and a fresh perspective be taken on what's going on doesn't hurt either.
Quote from: Richter on April 22, 2010, 04:49:06 PM
I am a moron for getting involved in this.
We all are.
Quote from: Richter on April 22, 2010, 04:49:06 PM
The drama, the "problem" with PD, and the related sentiments seem to have become an occupation of their own. The whole thing strikes me like a collected skinned knee. It's scabbed over, itchy and uncomfortable, but when you're bored it's REAL fun to pick at. There's no infection, cancer, or foreign object under that scab to purge, but we keep reoppening things anyways. Ignoring a problem doesn't do much good fixing it, but letting it sit for a while to let things heal, focuses detatch, and a fresh perspective be taken on what's going on doesn't hurt either.
The problem: It isn't just Nigel and TTM. It's everyone. Paes, etc, shrieking and stalking off, over shit that has been happening on and off since day one, for example.
I'm staying, even if I'm the only one left here. I am developing a pretty low opinion of the people flouncing, and I have developed in a single day a
very low opinion of Cain, not just because he threatened to erase everything, but because of the things he said about the rest of us...things he has apparently been itching to say for a very long time.
Quote from: LMNO on April 22, 2010, 04:27:33 PM
Hey, a small request: Before everything collapses/gets nuked, could you please wait until I finish all 30 days of my SME project?
It's all I have left.
Well, that and the Spider Project. Which has been on hold due to Frost Heaves business.
But still. I'd like to actually finish the thing with the majority of PD.com intact before everyone decides to call it a day and find other boards to post on.
Call it an appeal for sympathy. I have a soft spot in my heart for the place, and I'd like to finish this damn thing while my electronic friends are still around.
I'll still be around. Granted, mostly it's late at night when I'm sleep deprived and feeding the baby.
Besides, I have bad luck with starting up new forums elsewhere.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 04:53:06 PM
I'll still be around. Granted, mostly it's late at night when I'm sleep deprived and feeding the baby.
which will probably be just about every night :lol:
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 04:53:06 PM
Besides, I have bad luck with starting up new forums elsewhere.
I just get banned in like a week
:cry:
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 22, 2010, 04:27:33 PM
Hey, a small request: Before everything collapses/gets nuked, could you please wait until I finish all 30 days of my SME project?
It's all I have left.
Well, that and the Spider Project. Which has been on hold due to Frost Heaves business.
But still. I'd like to actually finish the thing with the majority of PD.com intact before everyone decides to call it a day and find other boards to post on.
Call it an appeal for sympathy. I have a soft spot in my heart for the place, and I'd like to finish this damn thing while my electronic friends are still around.
I'll still be around. Granted, mostly it's late at night when I'm sleep deprived and feeding the baby.
Besides, I have bad luck with starting up new forums elsewhere.
Oh hell you know I"ll pop on and at least lurk.
It suddenly occurred to me what this recent bashfest reminds me of. Israel and Palestine. Both sides WANT to fight, and they're GOING to fight, and the rest of the world gets all pissed off about it because they feel they have to stop something that both sides are patently enjoying.
Just consider Apple Talk to be Jerusalem, and let them have their fun.
Well, it looks like a reasoned argument between Nigel and myself isn't going to happen so I'll say this as far as the criticism towards me is concered:
Nigel has shown a pattern of abuse towards whoever will respond to her ridicule. She started fucking with posters who I happen to respect and then went after me, so I decided to retaliate and get some cheap lulz in while I was at it. After seeing that it was beginning to spread into other people's posts I decided to see what the board thought and, while most didn't care, there was a significant chunk who was sick of it so I tried to get Nigel to agree to:
1) Restricting the drama to a single thread
and
2) Engaging me in a reasoned argument about the whole thing
1 wasn't happening, but if the drama dies here then it's irrelevant. 2 isn't happening either, but again, if the drama dies here then it doesn't matter either.
She seems to have stopped trying to goad people into more drama since things aren't exactly going well for her now so as far as I'm concerned this is done with, but I can almost guarantee that she's going to keep doing this to me or other posters unless she gets a fucking grip. My intent was to get her to cut this shit out and it seems to have worked, for now.
Again, I apologize for any threads that got spagged up by this, and if it bothers you you can PM me or another mod to split stuff out of your threads if it's that big a deal. I want to stress that ANYONE can request this. It's not something that only happens to threads mods make and if it's a big deal to you then let us know.
The problem with claiming that X thread is "bullshit" and therefore not subject to splitting if the OP is bothered by it is that it's totally subjective as to what constitutes "bullshit". Some people come here to try and write serious stuff, some people come here to nerd out on technology or science, some people just come here to post and read funny or entertaining things. This has always been a diverse board and should continue to be a diverse board. Unless you're in here trying to hack the forum, outing trolls or breaking laws you're not going to be banned or otherwise punished with admin/mod powers. This forum has pretty much been a forum where you're free to post whatever you like and the only stipulation is that it may be moved to another part of the forum.
The fallout of this is that when you start pissing people off, you start catching shit for it, which obviously causes drama. Still, it's a decent trade-off in comparison to getting banned or having posts deleted.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:47:32 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2010, 04:30:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
It occurs to me that I cannot be right, in this or any other thing. I am amazed that I haven't seen this before. No matter how outrageous the thing I am reacting to is I, am the fucking bad guy. There are not only two standards here, there are at least three.
Fuck it, you guys figure it out. I see no benefit to participating, since the verdict on me was in before I even posted.
I understand where you're coming from. Before I even posted that, I knew my suggestion that we refrain from shitting on each other was going to be met with really great justifications for shitting on one another.
as I said, I'm not trying to paint you as the bad guy. I'm trying to illustrate what kind of communications interfere with cooperation towards a better board. It's not just you, it's just an example of the escalatory communication feedback loop which is the NORM at principiadiscordia.com/forum.
Well, I kind of read your placing the wrong context on my "Ari Fleisher" comment as assigning blame, especially when you clarified it as escalatory.
It's really fucking simple. Two people got in a fight, which was bad. It was made worse by everyone jumping in...in some cases, the same people that later started flouncing out of "disgust". Then one admin threatened to trash the board itself because he doesn't think he's received his due, and because all the other mods and admins are incompetent...the board only had good days because he and he alone made it so. His own words. This apparently gives him the right to destroy 8 years of amazingly creative shit.
I made every effort throughout the Nigel/TTM thing to be a calming influence, but when one guy decides he can wreck years of writing as a means to throw his toys out of the pram, I thought - and still think - it was time to speak up. I seem to be alone in this, so I guess I'll just back off and let everyone tell Cain how right he is, and hope that Faust is keeping up on the backups.
Don't know why I bothered.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on April 22, 2010, 04:55:22 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 04:53:06 PM
I'll still be around. Granted, mostly it's late at night when I'm sleep deprived and feeding the baby.
which will probably be just about every night :lol:
It has been so far. If I averaged out every night the past 4 weeks, I'd say I'm getting an average of 3, maybe 4 hours of sleep. Late nite TV still sucks.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
Don't know why I bothered.
I don't either, but it's appreciated. You were one of the last people I expected to try and calm things down. You're surprisingly good at it.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on April 22, 2010, 04:55:22 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 04:53:06 PM
I'll still be around. Granted, mostly it's late at night when I'm sleep deprived and feeding the baby.
which will probably be just about every night :lol:
It has been so far. If I averaged out every night the past 4 weeks, I'd say I'm getting an average of 3, maybe 4 hours of sleep. Late nite TV still sucks.
Did you order some of Peter Popoff's miracle water yet?
Quote from: Vladimir Poopin on April 22, 2010, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
Don't know why I bothered.
I don't either, but it's appreciated. You were one of the last people I expected to try and calm things down. You're surprisingly good at it.
I was trying something different. Didn't work.
What pisses me off here is that we have 4 or 5 people working on projects for hardcopy publication. Some really amazing stuff is being done.
But obviously, everyone fixates on the bullshit, instead of on the cool stuff. It's this sort of thinking that drives TV programming. We COULD put
Casablanca on, but we've gotten people hooked on WWF. The bitchy drama keeps people tuned in far more than any actual attempt at creating something.
Edit: Funny note: When someone else went nuclear, it became my fault. :lol:
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on April 22, 2010, 05:03:52 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on April 22, 2010, 04:55:22 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 04:53:06 PM
I'll still be around. Granted, mostly it's late at night when I'm sleep deprived and feeding the baby.
which will probably be just about every night :lol:
It has been so far. If I averaged out every night the past 4 weeks, I'd say I'm getting an average of 3, maybe 4 hours of sleep. Late nite TV still sucks.
Did you order some of Peter Popoff's miracle water yet?
I wonder if I mixed it in with the boy's formula if that would cut down on the projectile vomiting, or increase his range.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:52:49 PM
Quote from: Richter on April 22, 2010, 04:49:06 PM
I am a moron for getting involved in this.
We all are.
Quote from: Richter on April 22, 2010, 04:49:06 PM
The drama, the "problem" with PD, and the related sentiments seem to have become an occupation of their own. The whole thing strikes me like a collected skinned knee. It's scabbed over, itchy and uncomfortable, but when you're bored it's REAL fun to pick at. There's no infection, cancer, or foreign object under that scab to purge, but we keep reoppening things anyways. Ignoring a problem doesn't do much good fixing it, but letting it sit for a while to let things heal, focuses detatch, and a fresh perspective be taken on what's going on doesn't hurt either.
The problem: It isn't just Nigel and TTM. It's everyone. Paes, etc, shrieking and stalking off, over shit that has been happening on and off since day one, for example.
I'm staying, even if I'm the only one left here. I am developing a pretty low opinion of the people flouncing, and I have developed in a single day a very low opinion of Cain, not just because he threatened to erase everything, but because of the things he said about the rest of us...things he has apparently been itching to say for a very long time.
I'm sticking around too, for what that's worth.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on April 22, 2010, 04:55:22 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 04:53:06 PM
I'll still be around. Granted, mostly it's late at night when I'm sleep deprived and feeding the baby.
which will probably be just about every night :lol:
It has been so far. If I averaged out every night the past 4 weeks, I'd say I'm getting an average of 3, maybe 4 hours of sleep. Late nite TV still sucks.
Hulu.com ftw. You might also want to look into meth, I've heard it alleviates the need for sleeping as well as teeth, which actually means you'll get even more time because not only will you not need to waste time sleeping, you won't need to waste time brushing your teeth.
Seriously though, it will get better and you'll eventually fall back into a some-what sane sleeping schedule.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:47:32 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2010, 04:30:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
It occurs to me that I cannot be right, in this or any other thing. I am amazed that I haven't seen this before. No matter how outrageous the thing I am reacting to is I, am the fucking bad guy. There are not only two standards here, there are at least three.
Fuck it, you guys figure it out. I see no benefit to participating, since the verdict on me was in before I even posted.
I understand where you're coming from. Before I even posted that, I knew my suggestion that we refrain from shitting on each other was going to be met with really great justifications for shitting on one another.
as I said, I'm not trying to paint you as the bad guy. I'm trying to illustrate what kind of communications interfere with cooperation towards a better board. It's not just you, it's just an example of the escalatory communication feedback loop which is the NORM at principiadiscordia.com/forum.
Well, I kind of read your placing the wrong context on my "Ari Fleisher" comment as assigning blame, especially when you clarified it as escalatory.
It's really fucking simple. Two people got in a fight, which was bad. It was made worse by everyone jumping in...in some cases, the same people that later started flouncing out of "disgust". Then one admin threatened to trash the board itself because he doesn't think he's received his due, and because all the other mods and admins are incompetent...the board only had good days because he and he alone made it so. His own words. This apparently gives him the right to destroy 8 years of amazingly creative shit.
I made every effort throughout the Nigel/TTM thing to be a calming influence, but when one guy decides he can wreck years of writing as a means to throw his toys out of the pram, I thought - and still think - it was time to speak up. I seem to be alone in this, so I guess I'll just back off and let everyone tell Cain how right he is, and hope that Faust is keeping up on the backups.
Don't know why I bothered.
we could keep going back and forth on this, but I'd be repeating myself. I realize you had a good justification for telling off Cain. That's not my point.
btw, faust has backups so its not like we're really in danger of losing the board. Cain said some really valid stuff which was unrelated to his empty threat.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 05:07:06 PM
Quote from: Vladimir Poopin on April 22, 2010, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
Don't know why I bothered.
I don't either, but it's appreciated. You were one of the last people I expected to try and calm things down. You're surprisingly good at it.
I was trying something different. Didn't work.
What pisses me off here is that we have 4 or 5 people working on projects for hardcopy publication. Some really amazing stuff is being done.
But obviously, everyone fixates on the bullshit, instead of on the cool stuff. It's this sort of thinking that drives TV programming. We COULD put Casablanca on, but we've gotten people hooked on WWF. The bitchy drama keeps people tuned in far more than any actual attempt at creating something.
Edit: Funny note: When someone else went nuclear, it became my fault. :lol:
To be honest theres always a blow up this time of year. I know cause it's always near the end of the school year. I think it has to do with a small but sizable chunk of the board getting busy with exams or school so that puts a lot of drain on a lot of projects.
It's a hell of a plot line. Now we jsut need to throw setting and characters around to make it all sound valid...
I'm here for the long run. RD is the best, most productive forum I've seen so far on the Internet, despite the drama cycles.
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2010, 05:12:20 PM
we could keep going back and forth on this, but I'd be repeating myself. I realize you had a good justification for telling off Cain. That's not my point.
btw, faust has backups so its not like we're really in danger of losing the board. Cain said some really valid stuff which was unrelated to his empty threat.
Understood.
Quote from: Richter on April 22, 2010, 05:14:38 PM
It's a hell of a plot line. Now we jsut need to throw setting and characters around to make it all sound valid...
Gaza Strip, modern day.
:jihaad:
I genuinely don't see why Cain's actions here come as a surprise to anyone. He's been saying very many of these same things for months now. This was the most reasonable way he's phrased it actually, as a good many of them are along the lines of losing faith in the posters here, hinting at flouncing, saying his threads don't get the attention they deserve, etc.
That said, it doesn't mean he hasn't made reasonable points in this thread. We really do need to remember a lot of us respect one another. The flip side of that is not getting all butthurt when harsh words are exchanged, which goes into what was said about giving each other the benefit of the doubt. Cram said Rat had stopped posting here, and that's disappointing to me because Rat's a pretty alright guy. He and I had a brief harsh exchange in the anarchy thread but no reason to create bad blood, at least on my end, and I would hope he feels the same.
There are too many damned alliances going on in this place. It's understandable we all have posters we agree with or like more than others, some close friends and some we don't really care for. One problem is when we start throwing down with anyone that even momentarily crosses those people. Just because we like them doesn't mean they're right and conversely just because we dislike someone doesn't make them wrong. I'd like to see a bit more separation of the drama from the actual discussion in here. Using someone's character as a measure of their content is fucked up. I'm thinking of Lys' cold reading thread here, which was pretty interesting, turning into a shitfest about fleecing old ladies of their social security checks or some ridiculousness.
It is pretty damned disappointing to see the list of people who've flounced recently, though. With the exception of GS I don't recall a single one of them actually being directly involved in the drama either. So anyone who says this doesn't affect the board so long as it's contained in the right place has their argument right there. The rest of the board loses good posters because they don't feel like putting up with stupidity anymore.
I hate all of you!!!!
Quote from: EoC on April 22, 2010, 05:43:38 PM
The rest of the board loses good posters because they don't feel like putting up with stupidity anymore.
If anyone finds a non-stupid place, let me know.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: EoC on April 22, 2010, 05:43:38 PM
The rest of the board loses good posters because they don't feel like putting up with stupidity anymore.
If anyone finds a non-stupid place, let me know.
(http://lawstudentcode.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/deserted-island.jpg)
Meh, I bet it is riddled with polar bears.
I can think of a Pink song that's appropriate to this:
Quote
Da da da da, da da da da
Da da da, da da
Da da da, da da
I don't know if I can yell any louder
How many time I've kicked you outta here?
Or said something insulting?
Da da da, da da
I can be so mean when I wanna be
I am capable of really anything
I can cut you into pieces
When my heart is broken
Da da da, da da
Please don't leave me
Please don't leave me
I always say how I don't need you
But it's always gonna come right back to this
Please, don't leave me
How did I become so obnoxious?
What is it with you that makes me act like this?
I've never been this nasty
Da da da, da da
Can't you tell that this is all just a contest?
The one that wins will be the one that hits the hardest
But baby I don't mean it
I mean it, I promise
Da da da, da da
Please don't leave me
Oh please don't leave me
I always say how I don't need you
But it's always gonna come right back to this
Please, don't leave me
I forgot to say out loud how beautiful you really are to me
I cannot be without, you're my perfect little punching bag
And I need you, I'm sorry
Da da da, da da
Da da da da, da da da da
Da da da, da da
Please, please don't leave me
(Da da da, da da)
Baby please don't leave me
(Da da da, da da)
No, don't leave me
Please don't leave me no no no
You say I don't need you
But it's always gonna come right back
It's gonna come right back to this
Please, don't leave me
Please don't leave me, oh no no no.
I always say how I don't need you
But it's always gonna come right back to this
Please don't leave me
Baby, please, please don't leave me
Quote from: LMNO on April 22, 2010, 04:27:33 PM
30 days of my SME project?
maybe this is why there is so much chaos lately!
QUICK MAN FINISH THE END BEFORE THE WOLRD FALLS OVER or something...
AND Khara
you were missed, I really like people's avatars,
and your old one looking like the face of mars was really good
not sure i like the klock or the boomerang you got now tho
it makes you think tho
Quote from: Pēleus on April 22, 2010, 08:42:01 PM
AND Khara
you were missed, I really like people's avatars,
and your old one looking like the face of mars was really good
not sure i like the klock or the boomerang you got now tho
it makes you think tho
It's the work of Aaron Stainthorpe (the vocalist of My Dying Bride). He did the picture that is my avatar as well. You can find more of his work at www.azzron.com
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 22, 2010, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on April 22, 2010, 08:42:01 PM
AND Khara
you were missed, I really like people's avatars,
and your old one looking like the face of mars was really good
not sure i like the klock or the boomerang you got now tho
it makes you think tho
It's the work of Aaron Stainthorpe (the vocalist of My Dying Bride). He did the picture that is my avatar as well. You can find more of his work at www.azzron.com
YEP, I get some of my best av's from RWHN's places!!!
And....
Thanks to all for the kind words. Last night was pretty shitty but today, eh well it's not yesterday right? :lulz:
Quote from: EoC on April 22, 2010, 05:43:38 PM
There are too many damned alliances going on in this place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsgbb23z27w
Quote from: Pēleus on April 22, 2010, 08:58:10 PM
Quote from: EoC on April 22, 2010, 05:43:38 PM
There are too many damned alliances going on in this place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsgbb23z27w
Give me the rundown? I have a strict no links policy at work and I'll forget to check when I'm home in 7 hours.
Quote from: EoC on April 22, 2010, 05:43:38 PM
...
It is pretty damned disappointing to see the list of people who've flounced recently, though. With the exception of GS I don't recall a single one of them actually being directly involved in the drama either. So anyone who says this doesn't affect the board so long as it's contained in the right place has their argument right there. The rest of the board loses good posters because they don't feel like putting up with stupidity anymore.
Nigel forced this into the forum by blocking personal messages. And it's not the first time she's used this tactic to escalate and prolong drama. But since she's in with ECH and Roger she gets protected by their influence and is enabled to continue sapping group energy. Mind control rays or just basic social psychology?
Even though Nigel thinks I'm a horrible, irredeemable hornswoggler, I still have a large measure of respect and sympathy for her. I hope I can earn her forgiveness at some point, as I still regret the shit I directed towards her. I think at the core, she's a beautiful person full of soul and wit. But what seems to be purely selfish, attention-seeking dramafests completely obscures her true nature under a thick layer of bilious shittiness. She's not in her element with the drama like Roger or TTM. It's rarely funny, educational, or constructive when she goes off the handle, while with Roger and TTM it almost always is.
I hope Cain, Paes, Ratatosk, Love Stoat, LHX and a buttload of others return soon. But as long as Nigel continues to indulge in drama with the backing of influential posters more people are going to leave and tons of creative energy is going to go elsewhere, even if that person doesn't formally announce that they're leaving. For example, I've been diverting most of my free time into IRL shenanigans rather than trying to fight against the tidal waves of egoistic garbage here.
I don't think I'm the only one who's doing that. I've been a self-absorbed cock-knuckle in the past, and I think some of the shit I caught for it helped me overcome that to some degree. I'm still holding out for this shit to pass and more importantly, for people to learn from mistakes, and not just their own.
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on April 22, 2010, 10:03:44 PM
Nigel forced this into the forum by blocking personal messages. And it's not the first time she's used this tactic to escalate and prolong drama. But since she's in with ECH and Roger she gets protected by their influence and is enabled to continue sapping group energy. Mind control rays or just basic social psychology?
Yeah, evidence of ECH or myself using mod powers inappropriately?
Also, how is her blocking of messages forcing anything on ANYONE?
You are an irredeemable shitneck. Please kill yourself.
Quote from: EoC on April 22, 2010, 09:12:00 PM
Give me the rundown? I have a strict no links policy at work and I'll forget to check when I'm home in 7 hours.
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/flobots/whiteflagwarrior.html
Suspecting we won't last
They're glad to hate but gladiators breed their last
Scream or mash for their dreams do clash
Like swords in the war let me bleed on that
Put the heat on that
Cept we need strong backs
You call us weak and don't redeem contracts
Well this speech won't last
If the beast attacks
The sons and the fathers will be free at last
This is love, and not treason
(http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/giant-squid-hot-dog-20090708-085418.jpg)
Revolutttionn
/campy voice
:lulz:
Quote from: EoC on April 22, 2010, 09:12:00 PM
Give me the rundown?
if you asking about the drama.
well the real trick is everyones playing the victim card so likely will remained unresolved
but here goes...
nigel was being a spag, which isnt outside the norm
:apple:
TTM up the notch by doing something she couldnt
and split her shit into a new pile of shit because he thought her shit smelt rather off.
adding insults to injury the entire way down to the shit pile you see before yah
Oh, nope I've got a pretty clear picture of the thread. I was asking about the youtube link, which I see you also replied to. Thanks.
also you may noticed that YT clip posted on the first page of one of the initial threads... cant remember which one.
o well much ado about nothing
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 10:11:30 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on April 22, 2010, 10:03:44 PM
Nigel forced this into the forum by blocking personal messages. And it's not the first time she's used this tactic to escalate and prolong drama. But since she's in with ECH and Roger she gets protected by their influence and is enabled to continue sapping group energy. Mind control rays or just basic social psychology?
Yeah, evidence of ECH or myself using mod powers inappropriately?
Also, how is her blocking of messages forcing anything on ANYONE?
You are an irredeemable shitneck. Please kill yourself.
1 - Where did I say anything about using mod powers inappropriately?
2 - She brought a personal disagreement that should stay in personal messages into the public forum.
3 - :boring:
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on April 22, 2010, 10:39:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 10:11:30 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on April 22, 2010, 10:03:44 PM
Nigel forced this into the forum by blocking personal messages. And it's not the first time she's used this tactic to escalate and prolong drama. But since she's in with ECH and Roger she gets protected by their influence and is enabled to continue sapping group energy. Mind control rays or just basic social psychology?
Yeah, evidence of ECH or myself using mod powers inappropriately?
Also, how is her blocking of messages forcing anything on ANYONE?
You are an irredeemable shitneck. Please kill yourself.
1 - Where did I say anything about using mod powers inappropriately?
2 - She brought a personal disagreement that should stay in personal messages into the public forum.
3 - :boring:
1. You said she was protected by our influence. Seeing as how a bunch of people are on her shit, this doesn't seem to be the case unless we hit the admin button. We haven't, and your implication is just another attempt to get revenge on her and anyone around her because you despise her for your own twisted reasons.
2. It started in the public forum, she CAN'T block his PMs (he's a mod), and it went on in the public forum at the same time. You are an idiot.
3. She took a day off to let things cool down, so here you are, making things worse, in an effort to hound her. You miserable stalking creep.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 10:58:02 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on April 22, 2010, 10:39:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 10:11:30 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on April 22, 2010, 10:03:44 PM
Nigel forced this into the forum by blocking personal messages. And it's not the first time she's used this tactic to escalate and prolong drama. But since she's in with ECH and Roger she gets protected by their influence and is enabled to continue sapping group energy. Mind control rays or just basic social psychology?
Yeah, evidence of ECH or myself using mod powers inappropriately?
Also, how is her blocking of messages forcing anything on ANYONE?
You are an irredeemable shitneck. Please kill yourself.
1 - Where did I say anything about using mod powers inappropriately?
2 - She brought a personal disagreement that should stay in personal messages into the public forum.
3 - :boring:
1. You said she was protected by our influence. Seeing as how a bunch of people are on her shit, this doesn't seem to be the case unless we hit the admin button. We haven't, and your implication is just another attempt to get revenge on her and anyone around her because you despise her for your own twisted reasons.
2. It started in the public forum, she CAN'T block his PMs (he's a mod), and it went on in the public forum at the same time. You are an idiot.
3. She took a day off to let things cool down, so here you are, making things worse, in an effort to hound her. You miserable stalking creep.
I - So you're saying you have no protective influence, merely because some people have given Nigel shit?
II - She could fling shit in private, but will only engage with TTM in public. By doing so, there's an implicit invitation for other people to join the fight, but especially influential posters such as yourself.
III - How exactly am I making things worse?
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on April 22, 2010, 11:07:03 PM
I - So you're saying you have no protective influence, merely because some people have given Nigel shit?
II - She could fling shit in private, but will only engage with TTM in public. By doing so, there's an implicit invitation for other people to join the fight, but especially influential posters such as yourself.
III - How exactly am I making things worse?
1. Yes, that's precisely what I'm saying. If I did, people wouldn't be giving her shit. Have I dumped all over anyone here (other than yourself, but you deserve it)? Even TTM said my posts were conciliatory.
2. She can speak wherever she pleases. If she doesn't want her PM box filled up, that's her business. If she wants it public, that is also her business. TTM was also engaging in public at the same time. But that's different, right?
3. BECAUSE SHE TOOK THE DAY OFF TO LET THINGS COOL DOWN, AND YOU'RE PERPETUATING IT, YOU STALKING SON OF A BITCH. Your goal is obviously not to try to cool things down, but to make them worse in an effort to harm Nigel. Obviously, you had no problem dragging ECH and I into it as well. You psychotic fucking shitweasel.
To be honest, if things don't clear up soon, I'm flouncing. I'm sick of coming here and seeing this shit. I have Issue 2 of MSY to get crackin' on.
Quote from: Suu on April 22, 2010, 11:12:31 PM
To be honest, if things don't clear up soon, I'm flouncing. I'm sick of coming here and seeing this shit. I have Issue 2 of MSY to get crackin' on.
Well, I think it will clear up if Net stops his bullshit. Nigel took a break exactly so that could happen.
My guess is, he'll be parked within a block of her house tonight, seething in his car.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on April 22, 2010, 11:07:03 PM
I - So you're saying you have no protective influence, merely because some people have given Nigel shit?
II - She could fling shit in private, but will only engage with TTM in public. By doing so, there's an implicit invitation for other people to join the fight, but especially influential posters such as yourself.
III - How exactly am I making things worse?
1. Yes, that's precisely what I'm saying. If I did, people wouldn't be giving her shit. Have I dumped all over anyone here (other than yourself, but you deserve it)? Even TTM said my posts were conciliatory.
2. She can speak wherever she pleases. If she doesn't want her PM box filled up, that's her business. If she wants it public, that is also her business. TTM was also engaging in public at the same time. But that's different, right?
3. BECAUSE SHE TOOK THE DAY OFF TO LET THINGS COOL DOWN, AND YOU'RE PERPETUATING IT, YOU STALKING SON OF A BITCH. Your goal is obviously not to try to cool things down, but to make them worse in an effort to harm Nigel. Obviously, you had no problem dragging ECH and I into it as well. You psychotic fucking shitweasel.
1 - Yes, you dumped on Cain who I thought was your friend. Where did you give Nigel shit?
2 - TTM at least tried to keep it off board. It's only expected that he's going to respond in kind.
3 - If I were a stalking son of a bitch, I would know she took the day off. I didn't know that.
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on April 22, 2010, 11:17:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on April 22, 2010, 11:07:03 PM
I - So you're saying you have no protective influence, merely because some people have given Nigel shit?
II - She could fling shit in private, but will only engage with TTM in public. By doing so, there's an implicit invitation for other people to join the fight, but especially influential posters such as yourself.
III - How exactly am I making things worse?
1. Yes, that's precisely what I'm saying. If I did, people wouldn't be giving her shit. Have I dumped all over anyone here (other than yourself, but you deserve it)? Even TTM said my posts were conciliatory.
2. She can speak wherever she pleases. If she doesn't want her PM box filled up, that's her business. If she wants it public, that is also her business. TTM was also engaging in public at the same time. But that's different, right?
3. BECAUSE SHE TOOK THE DAY OFF TO LET THINGS COOL DOWN, AND YOU'RE PERPETUATING IT, YOU STALKING SON OF A BITCH. Your goal is obviously not to try to cool things down, but to make them worse in an effort to harm Nigel. Obviously, you had no problem dragging ECH and I into it as well. You psychotic fucking shitweasel.
1 - Yes, you dumped on Cain who I thought was your friend. Where did you give Nigel shit?
2 - TTM at least tried to keep it off board. It's only expected that he's going to respond in kind.
3 - If I were a stalking son of a bitch, I would know she took the day off. I didn't know that.
1. I didn't dump on Cain over Nigel. Show a little intellectual honestly, for fuck's sake.
2. No, he was doing it in public as well. Show a little intellectual honestly, for fuck's sake.
3. How many posts did she have today? How involved in the conversation was she? Oh, yeah. Show a little intellectual honestly, for fuck's sake. You took a swing at her because she WASN'T here, and shit had calmed down.
You really are one creepy stalking fuckstain, you know that? It's fucking sick.
1. One of Cain's issues directly relates to this latest Nigel episode, anyone can see that. Your claim that dumping on Cain had nothing to do with your love for Nigel is suspect.
2. TTM offered to quit repeatedly, Nigel refused.
3. I'm actually posting this from her back yard, furiously masturbating to the tattoos of her face I have all over my legs. I took a hard swing at her by saying that I hope to earn her forgiveness. Or was it saying she is fundamentally an awesome person who looks really bad when she goes into drama mode?
still???
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on April 23, 2010, 12:22:54 AM
still???
Right here!
(http://monsterguide.net/images/how-to-build-a-still.jpg)
Oh, Cain left.
:sad:
Fuck you all.
I think that is why it all got stormy in Suu-town.
I am increasingly tired of the flouncing of some awesome people.
I miss BAI, will miss Cain and Peas.
Also I am now completetly unsuitable for other forums, so I'm staying.
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on April 22, 2010, 11:51:23 PM
1. One of Cain's issues directly relates to this latest Nigel episode, anyone can see that. Your claim that dumping on Cain had nothing to do with your love for Nigel is suspect.
2. TTM offered to quit repeatedly, Nigel refused.
3. I'm actually posting this from her back yard, furiously masturbating to the tattoos of her face I have all over my legs. I took a hard swing at her by saying that I hope to earn her forgiveness. Or was it saying she is fundamentally an awesome person who looks really bad when she goes into drama mode?
I'm saying that you're a psychotic.
Guys, you've both got some valid points and neither side is going to convince the other.
Net: Nobody's status as a mod or admin should protect anyone more than anyone else and this is clearly the case here. A lot of people are telling Nigel to cut it the fuck out, this would not be the case were she afforded some sort of protection by the admins. Thanks for sticking up for me, but you're just plain wrong on this one. I think people didn't speak up because they didn't want to deal with what ended up happening anyways, not because they were afraid of Roger or Hustle.
Roger Dok: Net admitted that he was wrong in whatever he did to piss off you and Nigel and whoever else got pissed off during the incident, you don't have to accept the apology if you don't want, but continuing to reply to this and calling him a stalker, a psychotic or whatever other ad-hominem attacks that, as far as I can tell don't actually apply, is not going to let the drama die.
If Nigel is actually going to let it go and I'm willing to let it go, you guys might want to think about following suit. It's pretty clear that this is not going to get resolved in the way you're going about it.
Quote from: EoC on April 23, 2010, 12:25:46 AM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on April 23, 2010, 12:22:54 AM
still???
Right here!
(http://monsterguide.net/images/how-to-build-a-still.jpg)
That's more like it. Let's get back to posting terrible puns, not-so-terrible stories and stupid links.
YES!
I admit, Vladimir, I'm probably wrong. Your explanation does sound a lot more plausible. Most people probably didn't want to get involved until now not out of fear of being hounded/ridiculed by alpha males (maybe a little bit), but that involving oneself in fights is just a hassle in and of itself that's just better avoided.
Dok, I can see how it looked like I was trying to stir shit in light of the above. You may hate my guts still, but I think (most) everyone would appreciate it if you let the slander drop. I've never stalked ANYONE at any time.
Nigel, I was wrong in the malicious motivations I ascribed to you for wanting to hook up. I was wrong to use a popular double standard to try to make you feel bad about casual sex. I apologize and hope you will find a way to forgive me if not for my sake, then for what's left of the community's sake. Or at the very least for your own sake.*
*Bad pun and willingness to buy you any reasonably priced sake intended.
ETA: I would leave the bottle on your porch.
You want terrible puns? I'm your man. Oh, sorry, gotta go to a meeting. maybe later.
Net: You earn an A for candor and integrity ITT
I'm willing to let the matter drop.
Quote from: EoC on April 23, 2010, 12:25:46 AM
Right here!
(http://monsterguide.net/images/how-to-build-a-still.jpg)
:oops: I'm pretty sure I shouldn't ask, but ummmm WTF is that?
I'm willing to let the beat drop. :hammer:
Quote from: Khara on April 23, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
Quote from: EoC on April 23, 2010, 12:25:46 AM
Right here!
[img ]http://monsterguide.net/images/how-to-build-a-still.jpg[/img]
:oops: I'm pretty sure I shouldn't ask, but ummmm WTF is that?
Electric multi-user enema. :mrgreen:
It doubles as an ice-cream machine.
Quote from: EoC on April 23, 2010, 03:51:57 PM
Quote from: Khara on April 23, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
Quote from: EoC on April 23, 2010, 12:25:46 AM
Right here!
[img ]http://monsterguide.net/images/how-to-build-a-still.jpg[/img]
:oops: I'm pretty sure I shouldn't ask, but ummmm WTF is that?
Electric multi-user enema. :mrgreen:
I knew I didn't want to know... :x Who would want anyone else around when they got an enema? Wait, I KNOW I don't want an answer to that....
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 23, 2010, 04:09:21 PM
It doubles as an ice-cream machine.
That is what I thought it looked like, or a pasteurization machine thing.
Quote from: EoC on April 23, 2010, 03:51:57 PM
Quote from: Khara on April 23, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
Quote from: EoC on April 23, 2010, 12:25:46 AM
Right here!
[img ]http://monsterguide.net/images/how-to-build-a-still.jpg[/img]
:oops: I'm pretty sure I shouldn't ask, but ummmm WTF is that?
Electric multi-user enema. :mrgreen:
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 23, 2010, 04:09:21 PM
It doubles as an ice-cream machine.
They were going to get Billy Mays to promote it, but they're having some problems reanimating his corpse.
Quote from: Khara on April 23, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
:oops: I'm pretty sure I shouldn't ask, but ummmm WTF is that?
I wondered the same thing, but if you look at the URL of the image, you get a hint :)
Quote from: Khara on April 23, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
Quote from: EoC on April 23, 2010, 12:25:46 AM
Right here!
(http://monsterguide.net/images/how-to-build-a-still.jpg)
:oops: I'm pretty sure I shouldn't ask, but ummmm WTF is that?
"A still"
A tank/machine meant for distilling (booze)
I rarely ever bother to read lengthy board drama threads. Hell, I rarely ever bother to read lengthy threads that i'm 3+ days behind on.
This one was no exception.
I did however read page 19.
Cain was/is one of my favorite posters on here.
Can't say i'm overly motivated to continue lurking at my usual pace.
I guess that means ECH can rejoice.
I didn't read this thread, because I didn't/don't have time to waste with the drama.
While I've been slaving over my classes the last week, I've also been fermenting on some In those days chapter topics. Expect at least one, if not two, this weekend.
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:24:30 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 02:16:06 AM
So far, I haven't seen or heard of any mod abuse other than overriding the PM ignore feature, which was reported to me, but which I obviously could not see, and which has apparently stopped.
However, as a poster, TTM is being just as bad as Nigel, and he's taken things farther. "Slut" isn't acceptable. Neither is "desperate whore" Sorry. And "I could have done worse" is not a justification.
They were really horrible things to say, he went all out on her and those are things that shouldn't be said to anyone. But they were part of their feud and didn't have anything to do with moderating. On the other hand, the random provocation by her in something as unrelated as a link thread shouldn't happen either.
I.. Ugh. I really didn't want to do this but it may be important in the future I am turning on the report PM feature.
From now on if you feel the need it is possible to forward the pm to the moderators Please do your best to sort out your own issues without calling in the mods.
I haven't read the last 14 pages of this thread, nor am I likely to, but I want to point out that nobody better fucking report any fucking PMs to me unless they contain death threats, or I will track them down and smear my own feces under the handles of their car doors.
:potd:
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 25, 2010, 07:13:04 PM
Quote from: Faust on April 22, 2010, 02:24:30 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 02:16:06 AM
So far, I haven't seen or heard of any mod abuse other than overriding the PM ignore feature, which was reported to me, but which I obviously could not see, and which has apparently stopped.
However, as a poster, TTM is being just as bad as Nigel, and he's taken things farther. "Slut" isn't acceptable. Neither is "desperate whore" Sorry. And "I could have done worse" is not a justification.
They were really horrible things to say, he went all out on her and those are things that shouldn't be said to anyone. But they were part of their feud and didn't have anything to do with moderating. On the other hand, the random provocation by her in something as unrelated as a link thread shouldn't happen either.
I.. Ugh. I really didn't want to do this but it may be important in the future I am turning on the report PM feature.
From now on if you feel the need it is possible to forward the pm to the moderators Please do your best to sort out your own issues without calling in the mods.
I haven't read the last 14 pages of this thread, nor am I likely to, but I want to point out that nobody better fucking report any fucking PMs to me unless they contain death threats, or I will track them down and smear my own feces under the handles of their car doors.
The same goes for the report button. I hate it when people remember that there is one.
Heh.
I just had to post in this thread just cause its all about drama.
:lulz:
Where's the MGT?
*ducks*
Meh-honestly- I like it here and I like how this place is run.
If I didn't I wouldn;t keep coming back----and I've had a spiff or two here and there and no big deal, you deal, resolve or drop it.
Like what MGD was trying to do, I think.
btw-I didn't vote.
:D
Quote from: Faust on April 26, 2010, 12:06:57 AM
The same goes for the report button. I hate it when people remember that there is one.
I would report that post as abuse against the user base, but i figured this post would do the same thing, without all the wrath :D
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on April 22, 2010, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: EoC on April 22, 2010, 05:43:38 PM
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It is pretty damned disappointing to see the list of people who've flounced recently, though. With the exception of GS I don't recall a single one of them actually being directly involved in the drama either. So anyone who says this doesn't affect the board so long as it's contained in the right place has their argument right there. The rest of the board loses good posters because they don't feel like putting up with stupidity anymore.
Nigel forced this into the forum by blocking personal messages. And it's not the first time she's used this tactic to escalate and prolong drama. But since she's in with ECH and Roger she gets protected by their influence and is enabled to continue sapping group energy. Mind control rays or just basic social psychology?
For the record, whether or not I am personally friends with someone IRL has no bearing on how I behave towards them on PD.com. I have called Nigel out for shit here since she and I became friends IRL, just as I had praised her here on occasion before she and I ever met. Similarly, her opinion of other people who I have not met (you, for example) has no bearing on my opinion toward those people.
Quote from: Da6s on April 23, 2010, 04:54:35 PM
I rarely ever bother to read lengthy board drama threads. Hell, I rarely ever bother to read lengthy threads that i'm 3+ days behind on.
This one was no exception.
I did however read page 19.
Cain was/is one of my favorite posters on here.
Can't say i'm overly motivated to continue lurking at my usual pace.
I guess that means ECH can rejoice.
who are you again?
Also, and I'm not going to go back and dig through the whole retarded thread again, but I'm pretty sure I saw Cain say something along the lines of "I'd rather destroy the forums than blah blah blah..." which is VERY VERY DIFFERENT from saying "I'm going to destroy the forums if blah blah blah..."
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 26, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Da6s on April 23, 2010, 04:54:35 PM
I guess that means ECH can rejoice.
who are you again?
hes that spag that always annoyed
ECH most of us by his cock and repost
you know in the pictures thread even with it usually having the same thing one or two pages back
wouldn't suprise me if him and asylum were the same person, but they did visited the same sites
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 26, 2010, 09:51:13 AM
Also, and I'm not going to go back and dig through the whole retarded thread again, but I'm pretty sure I saw Cain say something along the lines of "I'd rather destroy the forums than blah blah blah..." which is VERY VERY DIFFERENT from saying "I'm going to destroy the forums if blah blah blah..."
Point. Faust has it backed up 6 ways from Sunday, anyway.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2010, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 26, 2010, 09:51:13 AM
Also, and I'm not going to go back and dig through the whole retarded thread again, but I'm pretty sure I saw Cain say something along the lines of "I'd rather destroy the forums than blah blah blah..." which is VERY VERY DIFFERENT from saying "I'm going to destroy the forums if blah blah blah..."
Point. Faust has it backed up 6 ways from Sunday, anyway.
yep yep, if anyone is going to destroy this site its ME, AHAHAHAHAHA
Quote from: Faust on April 26, 2010, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2010, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 26, 2010, 09:51:13 AM
Also, and I'm not going to go back and dig through the whole retarded thread again, but I'm pretty sure I saw Cain say something along the lines of "I'd rather destroy the forums than blah blah blah..." which is VERY VERY DIFFERENT from saying "I'm going to destroy the forums if blah blah blah..."
Point. Faust has it backed up 6 ways from Sunday, anyway.
yep yep, if anyone is going to destroy this site its ME, AHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, well, I have people in Ireland. People that will jack you up by the back of the pants, wire your thumbs together, paint your face orange, and drop you off in front of the nearest Catholic church with a note stapled to your chest saying "Fuck the pope".
If you ever really want to destroy the board, just make me an admin. I seem to be good at that.
Quote from: Pēleus on April 26, 2010, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 26, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Da6s on April 23, 2010, 04:54:35 PM
I guess that means ECH can rejoice.
who are you again?
hes that spag that always annoyed ECH most of us by his cock and repost
you know in the pictures thread even with it usually having the same thing one or two pages back
I thought he was Dags returned with a different name...
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2010, 04:41:38 PM
Quote from: Faust on April 26, 2010, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2010, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 26, 2010, 09:51:13 AM
Also, and I'm not going to go back and dig through the whole retarded thread again, but I'm pretty sure I saw Cain say something along the lines of "I'd rather destroy the forums than blah blah blah..." which is VERY VERY DIFFERENT from saying "I'm going to destroy the forums if blah blah blah..."
Point. Faust has it backed up 6 ways from Sunday, anyway.
yep yep, if anyone is going to destroy this site its ME, AHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, well, I have people in Ireland. People that will jack you up by the back of the pants, wire your thumbs together, paint your face orange, and drop you off in front of the nearest Catholic church with a note stapled to your chest saying "Fuck the pope".
Most of my closest friends attempt that on a daily basis. But if i've actually worried you on this over the years I've ENCOURAGED others to take backups, I don't like being the only one with a copy of the DB, but I don't like too wide a field having it because PM's and stuff are plaintext in it.
By destroy, I mean give everyone an eviction notice and ample time to get a copy set up elsewhere.
Yup. Latest backup I'm sitting on is from March 6th.
I currently even have it loaded up in a local SQL database on my netbook cause I wanna try and convert it into a bunch of static HTML files [possibly even searchable] so we have archives of old stuff that no longer drains on the server database.
It surprised me it was so easy to load it. But I guess, once in a while a computer does what it's told perhaps.
Quote from: Triple Zero on April 27, 2010, 11:04:36 AM
Yup. Latest backup I'm sitting on is from March 6th.
I currently even have it loaded up in a local SQL database on my netbook cause I wanna try and convert it into a bunch of static HTML files [possibly even searchable] so we have archives of old stuff that no longer drains on the server database.
It surprised me it was so easy to load it. But I guess, once in a while a computer does what it's told perhaps.
I've converted every thread in or kill me, the only problem they are all called index.php 1 2 3 onwards. Theres 178 of them and they need to be renamed. I need to write a simple script to pull the title from the file and rename the file accordingly.
Quote from: Vladimir Poopin on April 26, 2010, 06:30:47 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on April 26, 2010, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 26, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Da6s on April 23, 2010, 04:54:35 PM
I guess that means ECH can rejoice.
who are you again?
hes that spag that always annoyed ECH most of us by his cock and repost
you know in the pictures thread even with it usually having the same thing one or two pages back
I thought he was Dags returned with a different name...
Still no clue who dags is/was.
I've asked for explanations regarding why i'm always cited to be a reincarnation of him.
Never had any.
Quote from: Da6s on April 27, 2010, 10:45:59 PM
Quote from: Vladimir Poopin on April 26, 2010, 06:30:47 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on April 26, 2010, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 26, 2010, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Da6s on April 23, 2010, 04:54:35 PM
I guess that means ECH can rejoice.
who are you again?
hes that spag that always annoyed ECH most of us by his cock and repost
you know in the pictures thread even with it usually having the same thing one or two pages back
I thought he was Dags returned with a different name...
Still no clue who dags is/was.
I've asked for explanations regarding why i'm always cited to be a reincarnation of him.
Never had any.
I'd say it was due to the similarity of your names.
Wasn't Dags the guy who hated Mexicans? Or am I getting him mixed up with someone else?
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 27, 2010, 10:47:23 PM
Wasn't Dags the guy who hated Mexicans? Or am I getting him mixed up with someone else?
No, that was Zurtok. One of the Dags hates minorities, though. Can't be arsed to figure out which one.
Explanation of my name:
(http://i.imgur.com/5y3pu.jpg)
It always makes me think of Brad Pitt from Snatch:
Dags? Ye like dags? Yeah, dags!
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(http://www.outsidecontext.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/windowslivewriterscarreview-ad27snatch3.jpg)
I do, btw
Quote from: Cramulus on April 28, 2010, 04:00:17 PM
It always makes me think of Brad Pitt from Snatch:
Dags? Ye like dags? Yeah, dags!
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(http://www.outsidecontext.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/windowslivewriterscarreview-ad27snatch3.jpg)
I do, btw
:lulz: same here
Quote from: Da6s on April 28, 2010, 03:51:01 PM
Explanation of my name:
(http://i.imgur.com/5y3pu.jpg)
That doesn't explain anything other than that you have a tattoo of something that's apparently meaningful to you and no one else.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on April 28, 2010, 05:09:15 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on April 28, 2010, 04:00:17 PM
It always makes me think of Brad Pitt from Snatch:
Dags? Ye like dags? Yeah, dags!
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(http://www.outsidecontext.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/windowslivewriterscarreview-ad27snatch3.jpg)
I do, btw
:lulz: same here
...I wonder if he hates pikers.
Quote from: Vladimir Poopin on April 28, 2010, 06:27:12 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on April 28, 2010, 05:09:15 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on April 28, 2010, 04:00:17 PM
It always makes me think of Brad Pitt from Snatch:
Dags? Ye like dags? Yeah, dags!
\
(http://www.outsidecontext.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/windowslivewriterscarreview-ad27snatch3.jpg)
I do, btw
:lulz: same here
...I wonder if he hates pikers.
Everyone hates pikers. What about pikeys?
For your amusement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 06:39:04 PM
For your amusement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
Why they have to disparage Aunt Jemima, I will never know... she just wanted to make pancakes, FFS!
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 06:39:04 PM
For your amusement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
Awesome, I'm a wog, I never realised.
Quote from: Da6s on April 28, 2010, 03:51:01 PM
Explanation of my name:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/5y3pu.jpg
You're doing this backwards. This just raises further questions.
"Cheese-eating surrender monkey" :lulz:
I can't seem to find cold hearted bitch on that list :?
Damn, I didn't make the wiki list.... :argh!:
Quote from: Risus on April 28, 2010, 07:29:58 PM
Quote from: Da6s on April 28, 2010, 03:51:01 PM
Explanation of my name:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/5y3pu.jpg
You're doing this backwards. This just raises further questions.
reminds me of that other spag we have with the sacred chao on his leg
It is somewhat comforting to know that the monkeys here have an unending supply of drama.
Quote from: Faust on April 28, 2010, 07:15:40 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 06:39:04 PM
For your amusement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
Awesome, I'm a wog, I never realised.
"Wog" is also a derogatory scientologist term for referring to non-scientologists. "Raw meat" is also sometimes used.
Quote from: Vene on April 28, 2010, 10:45:40 PM
It is somewhat comforting to know that the monkeys here have an unending supply of drama.
Fixed.
Unless you're perfect.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: Vene on April 28, 2010, 10:45:40 PM
It is somewhat comforting to know that the monkeys here have an unending supply of drama.
Fixed.
Unless you're perfect.
I cannot argue with this.
Quote from: Vene on April 28, 2010, 10:59:24 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: Vene on April 28, 2010, 10:45:40 PM
It is somewhat comforting to know that the monkeys here have an unending supply of drama.
Fixed.
Unless you're perfect.
I cannot argue with this.
It's true. Monkeys have an unending supply of drama, and always will. Don't try to change. Carry on.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 28, 2010, 11:51:43 PM
Quote from: Vene on April 28, 2010, 10:59:24 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: Vene on April 28, 2010, 10:45:40 PM
It is somewhat comforting to know that the monkeys here have an unending supply of drama.
Fixed.
Unless you're perfect.
I cannot argue with this.
It's true. Monkeys have an unending supply of drama, and always will. Don't try to change. Carry on.
Is this intended to be ironic?
Quote from: EoC on April 28, 2010, 11:55:50 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 28, 2010, 11:51:43 PM
Quote from: Vene on April 28, 2010, 10:59:24 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: Vene on April 28, 2010, 10:45:40 PM
It is somewhat comforting to know that the monkeys here have an unending supply of drama.
Fixed.
Unless you're perfect.
I cannot argue with this.
It's true. Monkeys have an unending supply of drama, and always will. Don't try to change. Carry on.
Is this intended to be ironic?
Nope. I'm converted.
Oh, for a second there it looked like you were trying to prove the point that we can get beyond drama by, well, creating more of it.
WHERE IS THE LOVE? :cry:
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(http://prvegas.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/justin-timberlake.jpg)
EACH ARGUMENT MAY ONLY BE USED ONCE, NO MATTER HOW OFTEN IT APPLIES.
THIS IS NECESSARY SO THAT THE LIBERTARIANS DON'T SHIT THEMSELVES.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 29, 2010, 01:43:48 AM
EACH ARGUMENT MAY ONLY BE USED ONCE, NO MATTER HOW OFTEN IT APPLIES.
THIS IS NECESSARY SO THAT THE LIBERTARIANS DON'T SHIT THEMSELVES.
I'd rather fling feces at Libertarians. Maybe it will remind them they're primates.
Quote from: Vene on April 29, 2010, 01:53:10 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 29, 2010, 01:43:48 AM
EACH ARGUMENT MAY ONLY BE USED ONCE, NO MATTER HOW OFTEN IT APPLIES.
THIS IS NECESSARY SO THAT THE LIBERTARIANS DON'T SHIT THEMSELVES.
I'd rather fling feces at Libertarians. Maybe it will remind them they're primates.
NO. THEY ARE SUPREMELY RATIONAL BEINGS. AYN RAND SAID SO.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 29, 2010, 02:00:21 AM
Quote from: Vene on April 29, 2010, 01:53:10 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 29, 2010, 01:43:48 AM
EACH ARGUMENT MAY ONLY BE USED ONCE, NO MATTER HOW OFTEN IT APPLIES.
THIS IS NECESSARY SO THAT THE LIBERTARIANS DON'T SHIT THEMSELVES.
I'd rather fling feces at Libertarians. Maybe it will remind them they're primates.
NO. THEY ARE SUPREMELY RATIONAL BEINGS. AYN RAND SAID SO.
I actually don't believe people are rational all the time, or that they should be, so I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Ayn Rand thinks that reason is man's primary tool of survival, and I patently disagree with her. I think there are many factors which together form man's tools of survival, reason is only one, and quite fallible.
So I would prefer it if you would mock me for what I actually say, rather than what you wish I said so you could mock me more easily.
You know, I think I too am getting jaded with the whole fatalistic monkey thing, just like we got jaded with the Principia pinealism 5 years ago.
Sure you can make the same argument multiple times. But the irrational monkey gloom and doom is kind of becoming a very trite conversation killer with just about the same amount of interestingness and novelty as "All Is One" or "Nothing Is True Everything Is Permitted".
So yeah, all we need now is a barstoolesque oneliner to kill it when someone brings it up.
I propose OOK OOK IM AN IRRATIONAL MONKEY YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID
The "humans are irrational" is a barstool. And it's also about as depressing as the BIP (and you know how much we argued with Rat about that).
It's not saying "give up". It's saying "TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT."
If you propose a solution that will only work if every person involved acts rationally, altruistically, or generally nice, then you are proposing something that cannot exist in the real world; or at least in large groups.
It's like if some people were building boats with enormous holes in the hull so they could see the fish, and then getting pissed and saying, "all you ever complain about is that we have holes in our boats. Can't you come up with something else?"
It's not a statement claiming things will never get better. It's a statement claiming that a solution has obvious flaws if this is not recognized.
Quote from: LMNO on April 29, 2010, 03:33:04 PM
The "humans are irrational" is a barstool. And it's also about as depressing as the BIP (and you know how much we argued with Rat about that).
It's not saying "give up". It's saying "TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT."
If you propose a solution that will only work if every person involved acts rationally, altruistically, or generally nice, then you are proposing something that cannot exist in the real world; or at least in large groups.
It's like if some people were building boats with enormous holes in the hull so they could see the fish, and then getting pissed and saying, "all you ever complain about is that we have holes in our boats. Can't you come up with something else?"
It's not a statement claiming things will never get better. It's a statement claiming that a solution has obvious flaws if this is not recognized.
I don't see how it was applicable in the Grant Morrison discussion, which is why it caused me to see red and foam at the mouth. Nobody was proposing that the ways around the overpopulation problem involved everyone acting "rationally, altruistically, or generally nice", and yet it got brought up again.
I believe it was brought up after you said planting a monoculture crop wouldn't be very scientific, at which point it was given as an explanation as to why we might implement a less than perfect farming system.
Quote from: EoC on April 29, 2010, 03:41:49 PM
I believe it was brought up after you said planting a monoculture crop wouldn't be very scientific, at which point it was given as an explanation as to why we might implement a less than perfect farming system.
It doesn't seem scientific to me, and its sad that its been implemented thus far, but I don't see why that tosses the whole idea out the window. Things can be improved on. This whole idea is only 40 years old... would people be happy if we were using the same medical methods from the Nineteenth Century? Of course not, things improve. Why should this be different?
Mistakes are made, and then the original idea is improved upon. It has nothing to do with large groups acting rationally. Just because something fucked up in the past does not necessarily mean it will continue to fuck up forever.
Perhaps I was just in a bad mood last night, but it really started to sound like people were looking forward to overpopulation and mass starvation. Which I certainly hope I am wrong about.
Well, the question might be, how did the medical methods change; and could knowing that help us in implementing new methods and ideas for agriculture?
Quote from: LMNO on April 29, 2010, 03:56:20 PM
Well, the question might be, how did the medical methods change; and could knowing that help us in implementing new methods and ideas for agriculture?
Good question. I am not entirely certain how exactly medical methods changed. Admittedly, most likely NOT by committee. :lol:
Alright, listen. What the fuck LMNO just said.
If someone says something along the lines of "That fact about human behavior is irrational, therefore how can it be true?" and the answer is "Because human beings are not typically very rational, and therefore often behave in irrational ways" what should the respondent do, sugar-coat the actual answer into something else? Really, the reason we don't use logical, reasonable sustainable farming methods is because ook ook, motherfucker. Too bad, so sad.
Is there a solution? You bet your fucking ass there is. But if you don't take ook ook into account, that solution will never be implemented.
Human beings are driven largely by food, sex, competition, envy, and oooh shiny! not necessarily in that order. Logic and concern for the future are pretty low on our list of motivations. That doesn't mean we will always be this way, but there must be compelling reasons for change or we'll go right ahead and Roman-Empire ourselves right into the Dark Ages again and again.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:06:42 PM
Alright, listen. What the fuck LMNO just said.
If someone says something along the lines of "That fact about human behavior is irrational, therefore how can it be true?" and the answer is "Because human beings are not typically very rational, and therefore often behave in irrational ways" what should the respondent do, sugar-coat the actual answer into something else? Really, the reason we don't use logical, reasonable sustainable farming methods is because ook ook, motherfucker. Too bad, so sad.
Is there a solution? You bet your fucking ass there is. But if you don't take ook ook into account, that solution will never be implemented.
Human beings are driven largely by food, sex, competition, envy, and oooh shiny! not necessarily in that order. Logic and concern for the future are pretty low on our list of motivations. That doesn't mean we will always be this way, but there must be compelling reasons for change or we'll go right ahead and Roman-Empire ourselves right into the Dark Ages again and again.
Alright listen, I don't think anything I said refuted that. So, tell me, what are the compelling reasons?
Quote from: EoC on April 29, 2010, 03:41:49 PM
I believe it was brought up after you said planting a monoculture crop wouldn't be very scientific, at which point it was given as an explanation as to why we might implement a less than perfect farming system.
There's no "might" about it. We DO implement a completely irrational farming system which has not only historically been shown to be an invitation to disaster, but is CURRENTLY demonstrating an agricultural disaster. What Hoopla did was ask why, which was responded to with the only true and correct answer; we are irrational monkeys ook ook. SURE, that's shorthand for "human beings will usually choose short-term profits over long-term survival" but it's implicit that the person you are talking to has the reasoning capacity to interpret that, just as I assumed that the reference I made to the Irish Potato Famine was adequate to convey my point, because my assumption was that anyone engaging in a discussion about population and agriculture has at least that much agricultural history under their belt; if not, they do not belong in a discussion about population and agriculture.
I refuse to repeat seventh grade for the sake of those who are not already armed with that degree of education. If you know little about a subject but still wish to argue it, do your own research and then come back to the discussion, please. And THEN you
may realize that "ook ook, motherfucker" is referring to documented historical or current human behavior that flies in the face of logic.
I may be making little sense because my best girl came over with a pint of really excellent bourbon last night for my birthday, and I'm operating on a hangover and very little sleep.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:06:42 PM
Alright, listen. What the fuck LMNO just said.
If someone says something along the lines of "That fact about human behavior is irrational, therefore how can it be true?" and the answer is "Because human beings are not typically very rational, and therefore often behave in irrational ways" what should the respondent do, sugar-coat the actual answer into something else? Really, the reason we don't use logical, reasonable sustainable farming methods is because ook ook, motherfucker. Too bad, so sad.
Is there a solution? You bet your fucking ass there is. But if you don't take ook ook into account, that solution will never be implemented.
Human beings are driven largely by food, sex, competition, envy, and oooh shiny! not necessarily in that order. Logic and concern for the future are pretty low on our list of motivations. That doesn't mean we will always be this way, but there must be compelling reasons for change or we'll go right ahead and Roman-Empire ourselves right into the Dark Ages again and again.
Alright listen, I don't think anything I said refuted that. So, tell me, what are the compelling reasons?
Compelling reasons for change? The compelling reasons to change our farming practices are, unfortunately, similar to the reasons we ended up with the entirely-predictable Dust Bowl, so it's likely that we will have to endure a similar crisis before we will change our current disaster-inviting farming practices.
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Quote from: EoC on April 29, 2010, 03:41:49 PM
I believe it was brought up after you said planting a monoculture crop wouldn't be very scientific, at which point it was given as an explanation as to why we might implement a less than perfect farming system.
There's no "might" about it. We DO implement a completely irrational farming system which has not only historically been shown to be an invitation to disaster, but is CURRENTLY demonstrating an agricultural disaster.
The people of Mexico and India may very well disagree with you.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:17:10 PMI may be making little sense because my best girl came over with a pint of really excellent bourbon last night for my birthday, and I'm operating on a hangover and very little sleep.
Perhaps it might be time to step away from the computer then, before another meltdown occurs.
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:17:10 PM
Quote from: EoC on April 29, 2010, 03:41:49 PM
I believe it was brought up after you said planting a monoculture crop wouldn't be very scientific, at which point it was given as an explanation as to why we might implement a less than perfect farming system.
There's no "might" about it. We DO implement a completely irrational farming system which has not only historically been shown to be an invitation to disaster, but is CURRENTLY demonstrating an agricultural disaster.
The people of Mexico and India may very well disagree with you.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:17:10 PMI may be making little sense because my best girl came over with a pint of really excellent bourbon last night for my birthday, and I'm operating on a hangover and very little sleep.
Perhaps it might be time to step away from the computer then, before another meltdown occurs.
Oh, you're just hilarious. By "meltdown" I assume you mean "trolling TTM into delightful heights of hysteria".
What would the people of Mexico disagree with me about, the statement that the US predominantly practices monoculture? Or my reference to the banana catastrophe?
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:19:25 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:06:42 PM
Alright, listen. What the fuck LMNO just said.
If someone says something along the lines of "That fact about human behavior is irrational, therefore how can it be true?" and the answer is "Because human beings are not typically very rational, and therefore often behave in irrational ways" what should the respondent do, sugar-coat the actual answer into something else? Really, the reason we don't use logical, reasonable sustainable farming methods is because ook ook, motherfucker. Too bad, so sad.
Is there a solution? You bet your fucking ass there is. But if you don't take ook ook into account, that solution will never be implemented.
Human beings are driven largely by food, sex, competition, envy, and oooh shiny! not necessarily in that order. Logic and concern for the future are pretty low on our list of motivations. That doesn't mean we will always be this way, but there must be compelling reasons for change or we'll go right ahead and Roman-Empire ourselves right into the Dark Ages again and again.
Alright listen, I don't think anything I said refuted that. So, tell me, what are the compelling reasons?
Compelling reasons for change? The compelling reasons to change our farming practices are, unfortunately, similar to the reasons we ended up with the entirely-predictable Dust Bowl, so it's likely that we will have to endure a similar crisis before we will change our current disaster-inviting farming practices.
Ok, so once that happens, can we discuss Grant Morrison's point without frothing at the mouth about overpopulation, or will it STILL be an issue? And if it IS still an issue, then is it fair to say that the ook ook argument really is saying it will never get better so why try?
And why does it
still seem like people are wishing for collapse and starvation?
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Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:17:10 PM
Quote from: EoC on April 29, 2010, 03:41:49 PM
I believe it was brought up after you said planting a monoculture crop wouldn't be very scientific, at which point it was given as an explanation as to why we might implement a less than perfect farming system.
There's no "might" about it. We DO implement a completely irrational farming system which has not only historically been shown to be an invitation to disaster, but is CURRENTLY demonstrating an agricultural disaster.
The people of Mexico and India may very well disagree with you.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:17:10 PMI may be making little sense because my best girl came over with a pint of really excellent bourbon last night for my birthday, and I'm operating on a hangover and very little sleep.
Perhaps it might be time to step away from the computer then, before another meltdown occurs.
Oh, you're just hilarious. By "meltdown" I assume you mean "trolling TTM into delightful heights of hysteria".
What would the people of Mexico disagree with me about, the statement that the US predominantly practices monoculture? Or my reference to the banana catastrophe?
I believe they would disagree that there is an agricultural disaster when so many of them that formerly were starving can now eat. It's easy to poo-poo the little things with a full stomach and a hangover.
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:19:25 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:06:42 PM
Alright, listen. What the fuck LMNO just said.
If someone says something along the lines of "That fact about human behavior is irrational, therefore how can it be true?" and the answer is "Because human beings are not typically very rational, and therefore often behave in irrational ways" what should the respondent do, sugar-coat the actual answer into something else? Really, the reason we don't use logical, reasonable sustainable farming methods is because ook ook, motherfucker. Too bad, so sad.
Is there a solution? You bet your fucking ass there is. But if you don't take ook ook into account, that solution will never be implemented.
Human beings are driven largely by food, sex, competition, envy, and oooh shiny! not necessarily in that order. Logic and concern for the future are pretty low on our list of motivations. That doesn't mean we will always be this way, but there must be compelling reasons for change or we'll go right ahead and Roman-Empire ourselves right into the Dark Ages again and again.
Alright listen, I don't think anything I said refuted that. So, tell me, what are the compelling reasons?
Compelling reasons for change? The compelling reasons to change our farming practices are, unfortunately, similar to the reasons we ended up with the entirely-predictable Dust Bowl, so it's likely that we will have to endure a similar crisis before we will change our current disaster-inviting farming practices.
Ok, so once that happens, can we discuss Grant Morrison's point without frothing at the mouth about overpopulation, or will it STILL be an issue? And if it IS still an issue, then is it fair to say that the ook ook argument really is saying it will never get better so why try?
And why does it still seem like people are wishing for collapse and starvation?
Oh, I think you're conflating my posts with someone else's, because I have never addressed overpopulation, only agriculture. However, my opinion on overpopulation is that it is undesirable because it reduces quality of life, and that since increased rates of education and better standards of living reduce birth rates, the best solution is to address third-world living and working conditions. However, I also fully realize that the dream of a first-world planet may be entirely wishful thinking, and I'm not enough of a genius to have designed a global solution to poverty. Wish I was.
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:22:04 PM
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Quote from: EoC on April 29, 2010, 03:41:49 PM
I believe it was brought up after you said planting a monoculture crop wouldn't be very scientific, at which point it was given as an explanation as to why we might implement a less than perfect farming system.
There's no "might" about it. We DO implement a completely irrational farming system which has not only historically been shown to be an invitation to disaster, but is CURRENTLY demonstrating an agricultural disaster.
The people of Mexico and India may very well disagree with you.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:17:10 PMI may be making little sense because my best girl came over with a pint of really excellent bourbon last night for my birthday, and I'm operating on a hangover and very little sleep.
Perhaps it might be time to step away from the computer then, before another meltdown occurs.
Oh, you're just hilarious. By "meltdown" I assume you mean "trolling TTM into delightful heights of hysteria".
What would the people of Mexico disagree with me about, the statement that the US predominantly practices monoculture? Or my reference to the banana catastrophe?
I believe they would disagree that there is an agricultural disaster when so many of them that formerly were starving can now eat. It's easy to poo-poo the little things with a full stomach and a hangover.
It's interesting that you are wholly dismissing my points about monoculture and the historical (and current) weaknesses thereof based on Mexico's farming practices, and me being hung over.
Can you explain exactly how Mexico has changed their farming practices over the last 200 years, and how it has benefited them, and then also explain how those changes are relevant to this conversation?
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:28:52 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:19:25 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:06:42 PM
Alright, listen. What the fuck LMNO just said.
If someone says something along the lines of "That fact about human behavior is irrational, therefore how can it be true?" and the answer is "Because human beings are not typically very rational, and therefore often behave in irrational ways" what should the respondent do, sugar-coat the actual answer into something else? Really, the reason we don't use logical, reasonable sustainable farming methods is because ook ook, motherfucker. Too bad, so sad.
Is there a solution? You bet your fucking ass there is. But if you don't take ook ook into account, that solution will never be implemented.
Human beings are driven largely by food, sex, competition, envy, and oooh shiny! not necessarily in that order. Logic and concern for the future are pretty low on our list of motivations. That doesn't mean we will always be this way, but there must be compelling reasons for change or we'll go right ahead and Roman-Empire ourselves right into the Dark Ages again and again.
Alright listen, I don't think anything I said refuted that. So, tell me, what are the compelling reasons?
Compelling reasons for change? The compelling reasons to change our farming practices are, unfortunately, similar to the reasons we ended up with the entirely-predictable Dust Bowl, so it's likely that we will have to endure a similar crisis before we will change our current disaster-inviting farming practices.
Ok, so once that happens, can we discuss Grant Morrison's point without frothing at the mouth about overpopulation, or will it STILL be an issue? And if it IS still an issue, then is it fair to say that the ook ook argument really is saying it will never get better so why try?
And why does it still seem like people are wishing for collapse and starvation?
Oh, I think you're conflating my posts with someone else's, because I have never addressed overpopulation, only agriculture. However, my opinion on overpopulation is that it is undesirable because it reduces quality of life, and that since increased rates of education and better standards of living reduce birth rates, the best solution is to address third-world living and working conditions. However, I also fully realize that the dream of a first-world planet may be entirely wishful thinking, and I'm not enough of a genius to have designed a global solution to poverty. Wish I was.
OK, I just read about the banana extinction, and yes it does definitely point to a problem with our current agricultural practices, No doubt about that. Perhaps the banana will be the catastrophe you spoke of a few posts back? We lose the banana but gain a wider understanding of how narrow-minded be can be... is it fair to say we might learn from it? Or do you believe this will just keep happening to different crops until there is no food left?
The article I read said that "a global effort is now under way to save the fruit"... I guess time will tell how the ook ook argument works out.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:30:36 PM
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Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:17:10 PM
Quote from: EoC on April 29, 2010, 03:41:49 PM
I believe it was brought up after you said planting a monoculture crop wouldn't be very scientific, at which point it was given as an explanation as to why we might implement a less than perfect farming system.
There's no "might" about it. We DO implement a completely irrational farming system which has not only historically been shown to be an invitation to disaster, but is CURRENTLY demonstrating an agricultural disaster.
The people of Mexico and India may very well disagree with you.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:17:10 PMI may be making little sense because my best girl came over with a pint of really excellent bourbon last night for my birthday, and I'm operating on a hangover and very little sleep.
Perhaps it might be time to step away from the computer then, before another meltdown occurs.
Oh, you're just hilarious. By "meltdown" I assume you mean "trolling TTM into delightful heights of hysteria".
What would the people of Mexico disagree with me about, the statement that the US predominantly practices monoculture? Or my reference to the banana catastrophe?
I believe they would disagree that there is an agricultural disaster when so many of them that formerly were starving can now eat. It's easy to poo-poo the little things with a full stomach and a hangover.
It's interesting that you are wholly dismissing my points about monoculture and the historical (and current) weaknesses thereof based on Mexico's farming practices, and me being hung over.
Can you explain exactly how Mexico has changed their farming practices over the last 200 years, and how it has benefited them, and then also explain how those changes are relevant to this conversation?
At the moment, no, I am at work and it would take too long to write up. But I will tonight.
And I apologize for bringing the hangover up again.
FWIW, I am NOT a teenage child who glamorizes societal collapse. I have no yearning for human suffering, and I think/hope that change will come before we reach that point globally. Please don't tar me with that brush.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:35:21 PM
FWIW, I am NOT a teenage child who glamorizes societal collapse. I have no yearning for human suffering, and I think/hope that change will come before we reach that point globally. Please don't tar me with that brush.
Fair enough. I can only comment on how things are perceived by me, and that was how it was starting to look, but if you say thats not your view, its good enough for me. I won't say it again.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:33:41 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:28:52 PM
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Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:06:42 PM
Alright, listen. What the fuck LMNO just said.
If someone says something along the lines of "That fact about human behavior is irrational, therefore how can it be true?" and the answer is "Because human beings are not typically very rational, and therefore often behave in irrational ways" what should the respondent do, sugar-coat the actual answer into something else? Really, the reason we don't use logical, reasonable sustainable farming methods is because ook ook, motherfucker. Too bad, so sad.
Is there a solution? You bet your fucking ass there is. But if you don't take ook ook into account, that solution will never be implemented.
Human beings are driven largely by food, sex, competition, envy, and oooh shiny! not necessarily in that order. Logic and concern for the future are pretty low on our list of motivations. That doesn't mean we will always be this way, but there must be compelling reasons for change or we'll go right ahead and Roman-Empire ourselves right into the Dark Ages again and again.
Alright listen, I don't think anything I said refuted that. So, tell me, what are the compelling reasons?
Compelling reasons for change? The compelling reasons to change our farming practices are, unfortunately, similar to the reasons we ended up with the entirely-predictable Dust Bowl, so it's likely that we will have to endure a similar crisis before we will change our current disaster-inviting farming practices.
Ok, so once that happens, can we discuss Grant Morrison's point without frothing at the mouth about overpopulation, or will it STILL be an issue? And if it IS still an issue, then is it fair to say that the ook ook argument really is saying it will never get better so why try?
And why does it still seem like people are wishing for collapse and starvation?
Oh, I think you're conflating my posts with someone else's, because I have never addressed overpopulation, only agriculture. However, my opinion on overpopulation is that it is undesirable because it reduces quality of life, and that since increased rates of education and better standards of living reduce birth rates, the best solution is to address third-world living and working conditions. However, I also fully realize that the dream of a first-world planet may be entirely wishful thinking, and I'm not enough of a genius to have designed a global solution to poverty. Wish I was.
OK, I just read about the banana extinction, and yes it does definitely point to a problem with our current agricultural practices, No doubt about that. Perhaps the banana will be the catastrophe you spoke of a few posts back? We lose the banana but gain a wider understanding of how narrow-minded be can be... is it fair to say we might learn from it? Or do you believe this will just keep happening to different crops until there is no food left?
The article I read said that "a global effort is now under way to save the fruit"... I guess time will tell how the ook ook argument works out.
Yes, the banana blight is exactly what I was referring to. I would have some hope that we might learn from it if it wasn't a recurring story in agriculture over the last 200 years or so... we have experienced pretty much an identical situation with quite a few crops, including potatoes, coffee, and even previous banana strains (look up Big Mike). We (as people and as corporations) just have a hard time overlooking the short-term profitability of monoculture in favor of the long-term sustainability of diversity.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:36:38 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:35:21 PM
FWIW, I am NOT a teenage child who glamorizes societal collapse. I have no yearning for human suffering, and I think/hope that change will come before we reach that point globally. Please don't tar me with that brush.
Fair enough. I can only comment on how things are perceived by me, and that was how it was starting to look, but if you say thats not your view, its good enough for me. I won't say it again.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:35:17 PM
And I apologize for bringing the hangover up again.
Thank you. I'm just acknowledging that I might not be entirely clear in my arguments today, and if I inexplicably leave out words or write incomprehensible sentences, that's why. :) Tip of the hat to Daff0dil!
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:40:32 PM
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Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:19:25 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:06:42 PM
Alright, listen. What the fuck LMNO just said.
If someone says something along the lines of "That fact about human behavior is irrational, therefore how can it be true?" and the answer is "Because human beings are not typically very rational, and therefore often behave in irrational ways" what should the respondent do, sugar-coat the actual answer into something else? Really, the reason we don't use logical, reasonable sustainable farming methods is because ook ook, motherfucker. Too bad, so sad.
Is there a solution? You bet your fucking ass there is. But if you don't take ook ook into account, that solution will never be implemented.
Human beings are driven largely by food, sex, competition, envy, and oooh shiny! not necessarily in that order. Logic and concern for the future are pretty low on our list of motivations. That doesn't mean we will always be this way, but there must be compelling reasons for change or we'll go right ahead and Roman-Empire ourselves right into the Dark Ages again and again.
Alright listen, I don't think anything I said refuted that. So, tell me, what are the compelling reasons?
Compelling reasons for change? The compelling reasons to change our farming practices are, unfortunately, similar to the reasons we ended up with the entirely-predictable Dust Bowl, so it's likely that we will have to endure a similar crisis before we will change our current disaster-inviting farming practices.
Ok, so once that happens, can we discuss Grant Morrison's point without frothing at the mouth about overpopulation, or will it STILL be an issue? And if it IS still an issue, then is it fair to say that the ook ook argument really is saying it will never get better so why try?
And why does it still seem like people are wishing for collapse and starvation?
Oh, I think you're conflating my posts with someone else's, because I have never addressed overpopulation, only agriculture. However, my opinion on overpopulation is that it is undesirable because it reduces quality of life, and that since increased rates of education and better standards of living reduce birth rates, the best solution is to address third-world living and working conditions. However, I also fully realize that the dream of a first-world planet may be entirely wishful thinking, and I'm not enough of a genius to have designed a global solution to poverty. Wish I was.
OK, I just read about the banana extinction, and yes it does definitely point to a problem with our current agricultural practices, No doubt about that. Perhaps the banana will be the catastrophe you spoke of a few posts back? We lose the banana but gain a wider understanding of how narrow-minded be can be... is it fair to say we might learn from it? Or do you believe this will just keep happening to different crops until there is no food left?
The article I read said that "a global effort is now under way to save the fruit"... I guess time will tell how the ook ook argument works out.
Yes, the banana blight is exactly what I was referring to. I would have some hope that we might learn from it if it wasn't a recurring story in agriculture over the last 200 years or so... we have experienced pretty much an identical situation with quite a few crops, including potatoes, coffee, and even previous banana strains (look up Big Mike). We (as people and as corporations) just have a hard time overlooking the short-term profitability of monoculture in favor of the long-term sustainability of diversity.
A lot of the people who work on banana plantations are little more than slaves, according to an article I recently read, can't remember where now. I think it might have been a Canadian magazine. I could find it if you are interested. The blight may be the best thing thats happened to them in a while, though I suppose the big companies would just move onto a different fruit with the same end results.
I hope this is the catastrophe that is needed to change the way people behave when it comes to agriculture.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 04:46:57 PM
A lot of the people who work on banana plantations are little more than slaves, according to an article I recently read, can't remember where now. I think it might have been a Canadian magazine. I could find it if you are interested. The blight may be the best thing thats happened to them in a while, though I suppose the big companies would just move onto a different fruit with the same end results.
I hope this is the catastrophe that is needed to change the way people behave when it comes to agriculture.
This is a repeat of a scenario that has occurred again and again and again. It hasn't engendered change so far...
I thought the #1 thing that drove people to farm stupidly is
MONEY
Also the reason we get our energy from where we do.
In fact, I think people are more CHA-CHING than ook ook.
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Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on April 29, 2010, 05:09:42 PM
I thought the #1 thing that drove people to farm stupidly is
MONEY
Also the reason we get our energy from where we do.
In fact, I think people are more CHA-CHING than ook ook.
?
CHA-CHING is the "oooh shiny!" part of ook ook.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:22:04 PM
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Quote from: EoC on April 29, 2010, 03:41:49 PM
I believe it was brought up after you said planting a monoculture crop wouldn't be very scientific, at which point it was given as an explanation as to why we might implement a less than perfect farming system.
There's no "might" about it. We DO implement a completely irrational farming system which has not only historically been shown to be an invitation to disaster, but is CURRENTLY demonstrating an agricultural disaster.
The people of Mexico and India may very well disagree with you.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 04:17:10 PMI may be making little sense because my best girl came over with a pint of really excellent bourbon last night for my birthday, and I'm operating on a hangover and very little sleep.
Perhaps it might be time to step away from the computer then, before another meltdown occurs.
Oh, you're just hilarious. By "meltdown" I assume you mean "trolling TTM into delightful heights of hysteria".
What would the people of Mexico disagree with me about, the statement that the US predominantly practices monoculture? Or my reference to the banana catastrophe?
If you were really trolling, you need to work on your technique. Basically all you managed to do was piss everyone off while I made fun of you. Just sayin.
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QuoteBasically all you managed to do was piss everyone off..
I take that back, if you were trying to troll me specifically your trolling sucks. If you were trying to troll the whole board then you did OK.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on April 29, 2010, 05:09:42 PM
I thought the #1 thing that drove people to farm stupidly is
MONEY
Also the reason we get our energy from where we do.
In fact, I think people are more CHA-CHING than ook ook.
?
Actually this is more on the mark than most people realize. The problem with modern farming is big business. Seed requirements, lawsuits against farmers whose crops get crosspollenated when their neighbor decides to grow for a major manufacturer. Cost cuts in order to save every penny you can since big business names it's price when it "gives" you the required seed. It all leads to one giant cluster fuck and the smaller countries can't compete. Hell US farmer's can't compete.
I would hazard a guess that commercial farming in the US will be gone within the next 10-15 years. It will be private farming only. Except for tobacco, tea, maybe grain, but that's a big maybe.
LET'S SUBSIDIZE THE FUCK OUT OF EVERYTHING!!1
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LET'S SUBSIDIZE THE FUCK OUT OF EVERYTHING!!1
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I'm going to let you direct that where you meant it to go before I say anything just in case it wasn't directed towards me.....
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Quote from: LMNO on April 29, 2010, 03:56:20 PM
Well, the question might be, how did the medical methods change; and could knowing that help us in implementing new methods and ideas for agriculture?
Good question. I am not entirely certain how exactly medical methods changed. Admittedly, most likely NOT by committee. :lol:
Define "by committee." A lot of change in the medical field was done using the boring peer review methodology that makes up science (as well as conferences and such). But, there's a definite difference in values between a group of scientists and a group of average people (even when that group includes scientists). Mostly because science is one of the few places were rationality matters more than presentation. So, yeah, a big part of why there's progress in medicine is because they recognized their monkey aspects and in acknowledging them, were able to see the flaws and actively work to counter them.
There is nothing wrong with being a monkey, it just is, but there is something wrong when you forget you're a monkey.
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Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 29, 2010, 03:56:20 PM
Well, the question might be, how did the medical methods change; and could knowing that help us in implementing new methods and ideas for agriculture?
Good question. I am not entirely certain how exactly medical methods changed. Admittedly, most likely NOT by committee. :lol:
Define "by committee." A lot of change in the medical field was done using the boring peer review methodology that makes up science (as well as conferences and such). But, there's a definite difference in values between a group of scientists and a group of average people (even when that group includes scientists). Mostly because science is one of the few places were rationality matters more than presentation. So, yeah, a big part of why there's progress in medicine is because they recognized their monkey aspects and in acknowledging them, were able to see the flaws and actively work to counter them.
There is nothing wrong with being a monkey, it just is, but there is something wrong when you forget you're a monkey.
I don't consider the peer review process a committee. In a committee things are voted for, and opinion takes a certain place in the proceedings. In science either it works and is verifiable and repeatable, or it isn't.
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on April 29, 2010, 05:09:42 PM
I thought the #1 thing that drove people to farm stupidly is
MONEY
Also the reason we get our energy from where we do.
In fact, I think people are more CHA-CHING than ook ook.
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Its also the reason we will never hit that crisis point hard, for the other basic human cliche:
Someone will prepare, allow supplies to enter a danger point and then exploit peoples coming dependence for decades to come.
Just as certain of every crisis being caused by the monkey mentality, there is a cartel waiting to take advantage of that.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 07:01:28 PM
Quote from: Vene on April 29, 2010, 06:51:44 PM
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Quote from: LMNO on April 29, 2010, 03:56:20 PM
Well, the question might be, how did the medical methods change; and could knowing that help us in implementing new methods and ideas for agriculture?
Good question. I am not entirely certain how exactly medical methods changed. Admittedly, most likely NOT by committee. :lol:
Define "by committee." A lot of change in the medical field was done using the boring peer review methodology that makes up science (as well as conferences and such). But, there's a definite difference in values between a group of scientists and a group of average people (even when that group includes scientists). Mostly because science is one of the few places were rationality matters more than presentation. So, yeah, a big part of why there's progress in medicine is because they recognized their monkey aspects and in acknowledging them, were able to see the flaws and actively work to counter them.
There is nothing wrong with being a monkey, it just is, but there is something wrong when you forget you're a monkey.
I don't consider the peer review process a committee. In a committee things are voted for, and opinion takes a certain place in the proceedings. In science either it works and is verifiable and repeatable, or it isn't.
Eh...
I think you should investigate just what goes on with peer review. It's just as opinionated as a jury, but just like a jury it's necessary.
Not that I want to derail this thread any further with a discussion of the pitfalls of peer review. Just pointing out the monkey in the process.
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 07:01:28 PM
Quote from: Vene on April 29, 2010, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 29, 2010, 03:56:20 PM
Well, the question might be, how did the medical methods change; and could knowing that help us in implementing new methods and ideas for agriculture?
Good question. I am not entirely certain how exactly medical methods changed. Admittedly, most likely NOT by committee. :lol:
Define "by committee." A lot of change in the medical field was done using the boring peer review methodology that makes up science (as well as conferences and such). But, there's a definite difference in values between a group of scientists and a group of average people (even when that group includes scientists). Mostly because science is one of the few places were rationality matters more than presentation. So, yeah, a big part of why there's progress in medicine is because they recognized their monkey aspects and in acknowledging them, were able to see the flaws and actively work to counter them.
There is nothing wrong with being a monkey, it just is, but there is something wrong when you forget you're a monkey.
I don't consider the peer review process a committee. In a committee things are voted for, and opinion takes a certain place in the proceedings. In science either it works and is verifiable and repeatable, or it isn't.
Ideally, yes. In practice, status quo and status within the scientific community tend to skew things a great deal.
ETA: What Kai said.
Science, by it's strictest definition, is impossible.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 29, 2010, 07:55:08 PM
Science, by it's strictest definition, is impossible.
Well, it /is/, but not on a collective level.
Quote from: Kai on April 29, 2010, 07:48:41 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 07:01:28 PM
Quote from: Vene on April 29, 2010, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 29, 2010, 03:56:20 PM
Well, the question might be, how did the medical methods change; and could knowing that help us in implementing new methods and ideas for agriculture?
Good question. I am not entirely certain how exactly medical methods changed. Admittedly, most likely NOT by committee. :lol:
Define "by committee." A lot of change in the medical field was done using the boring peer review methodology that makes up science (as well as conferences and such). But, there's a definite difference in values between a group of scientists and a group of average people (even when that group includes scientists). Mostly because science is one of the few places were rationality matters more than presentation. So, yeah, a big part of why there's progress in medicine is because they recognized their monkey aspects and in acknowledging them, were able to see the flaws and actively work to counter them.
There is nothing wrong with being a monkey, it just is, but there is something wrong when you forget you're a monkey.
I don't consider the peer review process a committee. In a committee things are voted for, and opinion takes a certain place in the proceedings. In science either it works and is verifiable and repeatable, or it isn't.
Eh...
I think you should investigate just what goes on with peer review. It's just as opinionated as a jury, but just like a jury it's necessary.
Not that I want to derail this thread any further with a discussion of the pitfalls of peer review. Just pointing out the monkey in the process.
This thread was never railed to begin with, so please, enlighten me to how to the peer review system works.
Quote from: Kai on April 29, 2010, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 29, 2010, 07:55:08 PM
Science, by it's strictest definition, is impossible.
Well, it /is/, but not on a collective level.
Well, that's where Nenslo's Lobster Theory comes into play, Kai.
S (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8297-hardy-lichen-shown-to-survive-in-space.html)PACE JELLO (http://www.bionomicfuel.com/biomass-algae-a-new-energy-source/)
Quote from: Vladimir Poopin on April 29, 2010, 05:13:31 PM
If you were really trolling, you need to work on your technique. Basically all you managed to do was piss everyone off while I made fun of you. Just sayin.
I'm just lucky you didn't do worse.
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Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: Kai on April 29, 2010, 07:48:41 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 07:01:28 PM
Quote from: Vene on April 29, 2010, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 29, 2010, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: LMNO on April 29, 2010, 03:56:20 PM
Well, the question might be, how did the medical methods change; and could knowing that help us in implementing new methods and ideas for agriculture?
Good question. I am not entirely certain how exactly medical methods changed. Admittedly, most likely NOT by committee. :lol:
Define "by committee." A lot of change in the medical field was done using the boring peer review methodology that makes up science (as well as conferences and such). But, there's a definite difference in values between a group of scientists and a group of average people (even when that group includes scientists). Mostly because science is one of the few places were rationality matters more than presentation. So, yeah, a big part of why there's progress in medicine is because they recognized their monkey aspects and in acknowledging them, were able to see the flaws and actively work to counter them.
There is nothing wrong with being a monkey, it just is, but there is something wrong when you forget you're a monkey.
I don't consider the peer review process a committee. In a committee things are voted for, and opinion takes a certain place in the proceedings. In science either it works and is verifiable and repeatable, or it isn't.
Eh...
I think you should investigate just what goes on with peer review. It's just as opinionated as a jury, but just like a jury it's necessary.
Not that I want to derail this thread any further with a discussion of the pitfalls of peer review. Just pointing out the monkey in the process.
This thread was never railed to begin with, so please, enlighten me to how to the peer review system works.
1. Person writes a paper, and sends it to journal. Or it is introduced by a member of the society (as in PNAS) and bypasses the peer review process entirely.
2. Paper is sent out, usually with a short deadline, to 3-5 members of the group which have at least some interest and knowledge in it's contents.
3. Reviewers supposedly carefully read the paper and objectively provide clear and useful information on the validity of the methods and conclusions as well as needed corrections and improvements before it is published. I say "supposedly" because often the reviewers have little time and barely read the paper. Maybe they have a bone to pick with the author, and because it's anonymous peer review they call it shit and it never gets published. My advisor has told me about publications which have been rejected, and then years later the reviewer publishes their own paper on the topic and by that point the author has moved on and doesn't care anymore.
4. Author received back either, this is good, make corrections or this is crap.
5. Author makes corrections and sends it back.
6. Often step 3-5 is repeated.
7. Maybe it gets published. Maybe the journal doesn't have enough room, so it doesn't. Maybe one of the reviewers doesn't like the senior author of the paper so he says they didn't meet the standards for corrections.
Moral: Monkeys are everywhere.
Sometimes, maybe the paper is completely sound but it's an unpopular theory that effectively turns earlier theories by more respected scientists on their ears, and politics exist in every field, so the paper is not published in order to retain the status-quo.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 09:32:54 PM
Sometimes, maybe the paper is completely sound but it's an unpopular theory that effectively turns earlier theories by more respected scientists on their ears, and politics exist in every field, so the paper is not published in order to retain the status-quo.
Indeed. I didn't even go to the less underhanded things with my explanation.
Quote from: Kai on April 29, 2010, 09:28:46 PM7. Maybe it gets published. Maybe the journal doesn't have enough room, so it doesn't.
This is part of why I like organizations like the public library of science. They don't look at the significance of the paper, just whether or not it is scientifically sound (even if retains the same issues as your previous points).
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Quote from: Kai on April 29, 2010, 09:28:46 PM7. Maybe it gets published. Maybe the journal doesn't have enough room, so it doesn't.
This is part of why I like organizations like the public library of science. They don't look at the significance of the paper, just whether or not it is scientifically sound (even if retains the same issues as your previous points).
Same with Zootaxa. And in addition to publishing as much as possible, both make at least some of their papers available to the public for free.
On the farming practices topic, I found an article on farming in Cuba (they've had to deal with farming in a post Soviet-industrial reality, where the petrochemical fertilizers and lack of cheap oil/fuel for farm equipment has lead to serious breakthroughs in farming technique not seen for a long long time). They basically had to ditch the large monoculture model due to serious changes in their resources.
Here we go.
The Cuba diet: What will you be eating when the revolution comes?
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2005/04/0080501 (http://www.harpers.org/archive/2005/04/0080501)
Cuba is fascinating. The way they adapted to survive what could have been a disaster scenario is very, very impressive. Urban gardening, increased public transportation, it's awesome. It isn't perfect, and they still struggle, but I'm not certain every nation could have dealt with it so effectively.
For any World War Z fans, Max Brooks had a section about Cuba and their role post-apocalypse that was largely based on this.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on April 29, 2010, 08:57:08 PM
Quote from: Vladimir Poopin on April 29, 2010, 05:13:31 PM
If you were really trolling, you need to work on your technique. Basically all you managed to do was piss everyone off while I made fun of you. Just sayin.
I'm just lucky you didn't do worse.
I think I did OK.
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We should probably drop this though.
Quote from: Vladimir Poopin on April 30, 2010, 07:39:26 PM
We should probably drop this though.
Would be nice. Don't make me get all Run DMC on your collective asses.
...rock a rhyme?
Quote from: Vladimir Poopin on April 30, 2010, 07:47:12 PM
...rock a rhyme?
No, that's too tricky.
I'll just make a sucka bounce.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 30, 2010, 07:50:02 PM
Quote from: Vladimir Poopin on April 30, 2010, 07:47:12 PM
...rock a rhyme?
No, that's too tricky.
I'll just make a sucka bounce.
I've only heard that it's tricky to rock a rhyme on time.
:crankey:
:ECH:
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Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 22, 2010, 02:22:37 AM
I hadn't been paying much attention to the whole mess. The only criticism I have of TTM as a mod is making this thread a sticky, thus pushing the drama more in the faces of those of us who ere ignoring it.
Considering you're not the first to complain about it, I'm unstickying the thread. I think it has the attention of a sufficient amount of people affected by the problem and has gauged the mood of the forum. If it continues to be a hot topic it will stay towards the top, if not it will die and if we're all lucky this drama will die with it.
As far as the PMing goes, I assumed Nigel was full of shit and just trying to troll. In light of the fact that this is an actual feature of the forum (last time ignoring was discussed it was deemed not technically possible), I will never PM anyone who tells me I am on their ignore list unless there is a mod-related reason to do so.
That said, Nigel continued to PM me when I told her
1) That it was water under the bridge as far as I was concerned
2) To fuck off
3) To let it go
...and she continually PMed me with the obvious intent of continuing to cause trouble, but that's what she does: She's a bully and a drama whore (among other things).
I called her on it the first time she tried stirring shit with me and it shut her up for a while but then she tried again and I decided that I should play along. This is where it has led.
As far as renaming thread titles, the only renaming that was done was when I split Nigel's trolling out of a thread and left the first post in the thread as hers so that she could rename it (and she did) and did not leave any sort of insulting of inflammatory title.
Nigel has repeatedly shown that she's a shit-stirring bully and a drama-whore. I've repeatedly offered to resolve this publically and privately and Nigel is obviously more concerned with stirring more shit.
People have voted and they've said that
1) They don't care
2) They want it contained to a single thread
So, Nigel, if you're intent on dragging this hysteria out to its end I'm more than happy to engage you in a debate on how much of a crazy bitch you are and how you thrive on abusing other posters and causing drama by trolling your home forum, but I and everyone else here would appreciate it if you contained your bat-shit insane bitchfits to a single thread.
I don't think you can for any sustained period of time and I'm confident that if you do have a proper argument with me you will lose, badly.
Look at this whole thread. Most of it is you arguing with anyone who will listen. This alone is proof that all you really want is drama and you'll do pretty much anything to get it.
Any time I have asked you to show how I was a misogynist, a sociopath or any of the other ridiculous ad-hominem attacks you've feebly flung at me, you have completely failed to come up with any sort of actual answer.
The ball is in your court you fucking lunatic, just keep in mind that most of what you are probably going to say is just going to make you look like an even crazier bitch.
All that said, if you want to attempt to have an argument with me, we should restrict it to this thread. People are already sick of this shit. People are sick of your shit.
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