Who is 'Us'?

[Jenne]

There are less of the wolf than the sheep therefore I find the wolf more interesting. The wolf has a view of the sheep that the sheep do not have. He also remembers what it was like to be a sheep, so he has that perspective too. Being able to see twice the number of perspectives will always get my vote. My whole life is essentially approached from a perspective gaining point of view. Each new perspective makes me chuckle so I keep doing it.

This makes me wonder:

Are we all our own wolves?

I was going to say something but LMNO would just call me the S-word.

(feels kinda small when he does that)

Aw, just say it.  Esp since I don't know the s-word you're referring to...

[Jenne]

Syllopsis?  Is that it?

Look, there's an ourobouros certainty to all human nature.  It was pointed out in the threads above somewhere when someone was talking about the evolution of forums/groups of people.

So I'm just applying that theme to this analogy is all.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Okay here's a metaphysical model I've been playing about with. Please to be noting that I construct, collect and explore these for personal amusement, not because I believe any of them. Just in case any one decides they want to argue about their validity - you'll get no argument from me.

1) The universe does not manifest over time. It's a multidimentional hologram in which all possible conditions and events occur, simultaneously.

2) The universe is experienced or observed by an infinitely small (no dimensional) point of ovservance which explores possibilites, along threads which follow the geometric axis we refer to as time. (if you dont get what I mean here and you give a shit just ask and I'll try to expand - I'm really not sure if that bit makes enough sense)

3) It follows from no. 2 that the point of observance will 'be' every human life that ever exists and also all other life. It gets kind of paradoxical right about here because the point of observance will appear to be in multiple consciousnesses at the same time, even interacting with itself. For example - one guy talks another guy into giving him a lift home but it only seems paradoxical because of human inability to properly comprehend more dimesions than 3.

Essentially what I'm saying is that there is only one point of observance - that is you/me/us so yes we're all the wolf and the sheep and the lice that live on the sheeps back.

[Jenne]

well...yes...ok...

But aren't you removing the point of argument then, by saying it's moot?

[LMNO]

This seems like an elaborate version of:


"We are all one."



"So, now what?"

[Jenne]

*nodding*  Yup.

[P3nT4gR4m]

This seems like an elaborate version of:


"We are all one."



"So, now what?"

Enjoy!

[Cain]

So, really, we're all sheep to some degree.  Some like to hang out in the grass fields.  Others like to be "edgy" and hang out by the cliff overlooking the chasm.  But, if we are ever alone, we're more susceptible to the wolves.

wolves? who are the wolves, if not more sheep?

if there are actual wolves, they are just made out of several sheep.

like a sheep mecha robot wolf.

i know, it's pretty fucking ridiculous, but the poor sheep can't help it!

that is why it is up to us to pull out the bottom sheep, become the bottom sheep, step out of line, and the whole thing comes clattering down in a woolly flurry of lulz.

City kids.  Sheep can be pretty fucking mean when they get spooked.  They'll trample anything to get out alive including each other, there is no mutual consensus.  And the rest of the time they sit around eating grass and doing nothing unless threatened by several sheepdogs.

[P3nT4gR4m]

well...yes...ok...

But aren't you removing the point of argument then, by saying it's moot?

Not really I'm just saying don't expect me to argue the toss.

[Cain]

i dont think there is excess in deconstructing

the more you dismantle, the better you understand the components

the better you understand the components, the better you can build

I disagree.  The more you dismantle, the more people go into the "tragically hip nihilism" where they start spouting complete and utter bullshit about textual narratives and end up finding no reasons to bother to rebuild.  Or anything else you may value.  It becomes another reason to do nothing, taken to its logical conclusion.

[P3nT4gR4m]

i dont think there is excess in deconstructing

the more you dismantle, the better you understand the components

the better you understand the components, the better you can build

I disagree.  The more you dismantle, the more people go into the "tragically hip nihilism" where they start spouting complete and utter bullshit about textual narratives and end up finding no reasons to bother to rebuild.  Or anything else you may value.  It becomes another reason to do nothing, taken to its logical conclusion.

Not sure if that's a gneral rule or just an observation of a significan fraction.

[Jenne]

well...yes...ok...

But aren't you removing the point of argument then, by saying it's moot?

Not really I'm just saying don't expect me to argue the toss.

Ah, fair enough.

[B_M_W]

Syllopsis?  Is that it?

Sophilism.

[Jenne]

Syllopsis? Is that it?

Sophilism.

Thank you.  *was still wondering*  I even spelled syllepsis wrong.

[Cain]

i dont think there is excess in deconstructing

the more you dismantle, the better you understand the components

the better you understand the components, the better you can build

I disagree.  The more you dismantle, the more people go into the "tragically hip nihilism" where they start spouting complete and utter bullshit about textual narratives and end up finding no reasons to bother to rebuild.  Or anything else you may value.  It becomes another reason to do nothing, taken to its logical conclusion.

Not sure if that's a gneral rule or just an observation of a significan fraction.

Thats true.  I'm probably jaded from my brief time as a philosophy student.  But there are a lot of them.  Thats why I tend to Abdurdism/Existentialism of the Camus or early Satre sort, as it acknowledges the lack of meaning without going on what seems to end up in a self-destructive and pointless exercise.